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Post by countygroundhotel on May 4, 2018 12:10:26 GMT
What a f**king hoot. Living to our means the facts ie the accounts filed at companies House clearly state that we are not living within in our means. Have we gone bust yet, have we entered administration yet, he we failed to pay any players of suppliers yet like our friends south of the river did in 1982 NO We are living within the means of the Family which is a dam site better than the previous owners Glad we agree we aren't living within our means. Facts don't lue
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 4, 2018 10:01:32 GMT
Good interview but its obvious he does not really have faith in the owners. The text from steve yates showed that yates has no faith in the owners. The interview told me he expects a lowish budget again next season.and what do you expect ? we are living to our means if you want to watch plastic football by plastic football teams there are plenty of examples of failure in that dept..... Sunderland etc etc What a Dam hoot. Living to our means the facts ie the accounts filed at companies House clearly state that we are not living within in our means.
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 3, 2018 11:36:25 GMT
It's yours and everyone else's free choice to care or not care about the finances of the club you support. As you obviously don't care I'd ignore those of us that do. The worst that can happen is the club goes bust with no assets, that's not so bad is it? I don't think I've said or even indicated anywhere that I don't care about the finances of the club. Again - can't you just directly respond to the points I've raised? My point is the club could easily have gone bust under the last regime. The fact that about 75% of the value of the Mem would then have been available following that wouldn't change the circumstances barely at all. It just gives a false sense of security. It wouldn't be enough to rehome us, it wouldn't be enough to keep us in the league for more than a couple of seasons - if that, we would have been completely adrift without the support of a benefactor. Just as we would be now. My question again - Do you believe it's better to have equity in the Mem and be run like Yeovil relying on loan players from prem teams or be a professional footballing unit which a) may see us playing at a higher level and attracting more supporters and b) may allow us to profit from the sale of players? Sorry if I doubt your financial acumen but in any event it's always better to have access to 75% of your major, and only, asset then 0%, its a fool that thinks otherwise. As to running a football club there is more than one way of skinning a cat. No idea as to the financial stability of Yeovil but there way has delivered Championship football let's see if ours does. This guy may well be an excellent addition but the fact is the accounts show we are losing money hand over fist but the focus seems to be on finding ways of spending more and increasing losses rather than increasing revenues to pay for those increased costs. Hopefully this is being addressed in the background beyond our knowledge or need to know.
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 3, 2018 7:44:12 GMT
Not sure it's been shown we have money just that Wael knows how to spend it/increase our debts, I guess it will be a few years before the true picture is known. Why did IH quit as it seems he's left just as we might be starting to make some progress? Did he quit or was he fired? No one knows and the club haven't told us? I seem to remember we were told IH had left the club with immediate effect and nothing more. It seems to me that the owners have slowly removed everyone connected with the Higgs regime, and at the same time have plugged all the information leaks that used to drip from numerous sources, much to the chagrin of the likes of Gasincider, who seemed to have the ear to a lot of sources. He now appears to be reduced to lurking around corridors and listening at keyholes. What I do know is that we now hear nothing until the owners are ready to tell us. I think that's a far more professional way to behave, and more in keeping with a club that has Championship aspirations. It was most definitely not IHs choice to leave the club, hence the long, gushing note announcing his departure a long time after he was suspended
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 3, 2018 7:32:25 GMT
Not many. So does that mean it makes sense to operate a business model that losses money because that's the industry norm? If you believe that then its a great time to move into the retail business. Wael and Co are free to follow that path and I'll support that approach when I see them writing off the losses which hasn't happened yet. If they aren't writing off the losses then I would prefer a model that at least tries to live within it's means. And the evidence is that they aren't writing off the losses and holding security over a valuable piece of real estate in Horfield instead. It doesn't seem to be a case of whether or not it makes sense to do it because it's the industry norm but rather there isn't much of an option at this juncture. Have a league 1 football club which makes million pound losses or don't. To try and paint a football club as a viable candidate for sensible business practices generally is just a ludicrous abstraction from reality. As far as security over a valuable piece of real estate and loans not being written off - why is that something that bothers you to a degree where you'll post about virtually nothing else now? The situation has been the same for the last 22 years. If your gripe is the debt to asset ratio what difference does that make? There's no maximum amount that a creditor must reach before they can liquidate an asset to recover their security - the old board could have done exactly that. Big whoop they'd have left us with 8 mil in the bank - how long would that have lasted? Are you seriously of the opinion that any expenditure on recruitment to improve the playing squad is unnecessary until the books are balanced? If so your criticism appears to be based on fallacious logic. It's yours and everyone else's free choice to care or not care about the finances of the club you support. As you obviously don't care I'd ignore those of us that do. The worst that can happen is the club goes bust with no assets, that's not so bad is it?
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 2, 2018 14:57:21 GMT
It obviously isn't your concern but then again reading your posts thinking and typing is obviously something you can't do. Why do you find it so difficult to discuss anything with anyone on here without giving personal abuse? You could have just given your opinion on the point he raised - why don't you do that now? I have a related question - I genuinely don't know the answer, had a quick Google but can only see Premier league info - how many of the 92 football league clubs operate at a loss? Not many. So does that mean it makes sense to operate a business model that losses money because that's the industry norm? If you believe that then its a great time to move into the retail business. Wael and Co are free to follow that path and I'll support that approach when I see them writing off the losses which hasn't happened yet. If they aren't writing off the losses then I would prefer a model that at least tries to live within it's means. And the evidence is that they aren't writing off the losses and holding security over a valuable piece of real estate in Horfield instead.
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 2, 2018 7:58:22 GMT
Next announcement a plan to match revenues to expenditure. Must be next thing on Waels to do list now he's devoting all his time our way But is that really our concern, if Wael wants to build a potential Championship chasing club then surely it's up to him how he funds not for us to worry about it, or would you sooner we just tread water in Div 1 for a few seasons before the inevitable happens and DC jumps ship then we finish up back in Div 2? Regardless which successful Div 1 side matches match revenue to expenditure, Walsall trying to do that almost got dragged into the bottom 4. It obviously isn't your concern but then again reading your posts thinking and typing is obviously something you can't do.
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 1, 2018 12:00:31 GMT
Next announcement a plan to match revenues to expenditure. Must be next thing on Waels to do list now he's devoting all his time our way
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 30, 2018 13:19:37 GMT
Good news let's see what comes of it. Perhaps the chairman hasn't been doing enough to warrant his position?
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 27, 2018 13:44:48 GMT
Interesting that a thread about diversity and welcoming all turns into a thread for jokes about being gay... perhaps a valid reason why LGBT+ people feel unwelcome attaching themselves to a football club. I volunteer for a suicide charity and it is amazing in what we call an enlightened so called educated society that people who don't fit the White English heterosexual standard (I am White English heterosexual) are subject to abuse and intolerance. Many young gay people still find it difficult to come out to friends, family, work colleagues etc. And I have spoken to a middle age man (can't provide details because of confidentiality but he wasn't Gas) and he has been a football fan for years and wouldn't dream of telling his fellow fans he is gay because they are the ones who tell jokes about gays, shout 'poof' and 'gayboy' at footballers as if it's an insult or something to be ashamed of. Perhaps some people are offended about others being gay and as some adamantly say above 'It's my right!!'. I've met plenty of bigoted people who shout about their rights in church, the workplace and on the terraces. I would be glad if the day would hasten when no one notices race, gender, sexual orientation and it wasn't a problem. But as can be seen above that day is a long way off yet..... All reasonable points but as a football crowd we always have done and still do take mickey out of fat or bald or ginger or long haired players and I can look around any crowd at a football match and see people in the crowd matching those stereotypes in abundance. Should they feel threatened by that abuse or jokes? Mixing in and being part of a crowd means by its nature that will happen. Interview with an ex player about racism the other day forget is name John (?) played for Newcastle and Liverpool I think. When he first went on England duty he was roomed with a black player, again forget the name. Straightway the black player took the water out of him being small but was hurt when the water was taken out of him for being black. The only moral u could take was that it was okay to take the water if it suits you but not if your offended
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 27, 2018 8:04:23 GMT
Football has a LGBT issue. It is not reflective of society. 2% of the United Kingdom have officially identified themselves as part of LGBT community. Yet, within 92 clubs, there isn’t an outwardly gay player. Of course no one has said that “x isn’t welcome” but that doesn’t mean barriers don’t exist for members of the LGBT community. Having role models within the game is important. Having representation is important. Those who have a slight issue with this are frankly worryingly intolerant. Well if there are gay footballers then it's there issue if they choose to come out or not, just like it's anyone else's right to announce their sexuality. Odd that if they don't choose to come out it's somehow the fault of other people and not down to their own choice. Next the inference will be that gay footballers can't think for themselves, which personally I'm pretty sure they can
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 26, 2018 14:29:20 GMT
If it's a group not founded on race or religious basis then good luck to any group formed at Bristol Rovers.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 26, 2018 14:27:00 GMT
I'd rather oppose the sale as the limited details seem to suggest the FA will be sold back the Club Wembley and debenture business thus meaning the FA will need to play the same games at Wembley as they do now. The question the FA should be asking is if this guy wants to buy it will be because he can make money out of the deal so what are we doing wrong with the running of Wembley ?
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 25, 2018 7:48:29 GMT
Funny you should mention cricket as in Bristol it's the clubs that promote themselves along racial lines that cause the biggest problems and invariably have the worst disciplinery record. Guess you'll all be for and supportive of someone starting an EDL Gas branch as the vile EDL allow membership for all? What on earth does the EDL have to do as to wether we try to support our Fans from our local BAME Community. Please, please, please don’t tell me you are insinuating the 2 groups are in some way similar. The English Defence League is a far-right street protest movement which focuses on opposition to what it considers to be a spread of Islamism and Sharia in the United Kingdom. The Bangla Bantams are a multicultural Derby County Football supporters group. I’m speechless 😶 I'll make it simple for you on this thread it has been mentioned or proposed that groups with names like Pakistani pirates would be appropriate as they would welcome members from all communities regardless of the racial overtones in their name. Similarly the EDL accepts members from all communities regardless of race even though the racial overtone of their name suggests otherwise. So yes it is very relevant to what is being proposed on here. Sorry for making you think outside your narrow views. PS you might be interested to know that Bradford City are known as the Bantams and Derby County as the Rams, always happy to educate people on here
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 24, 2018 16:32:38 GMT
Well unless I'm missing something terms like bengali and Pakistani are being quoted by those supporting the ideas. The EDL and the like will claim membership is open to all but the title of those groups make it quite clear that it's for some and not for others. Not being bengali or Pakistani why the hell would I join or be interested in a group promoting themselves as such? Then you don't have just like I probably wouldn't go to a Tote End Old Boys night.
It's just a group of people with similar interests, that happen to promote their respective clubs to similar people who wouldn't normally go for whatever reason. They aren't forcing Islamic, Sikh or Catholic teachings down anyone's throats
I like cricket and do Occasionally walk round the corner to watch Bristol West Indies and nothing stops me becoming a member there if I wanted to
Funny you should mention cricket as in Bristol it's the clubs that promote themselves along racial lines that cause the biggest problems and invariably have the worst disciplinery record. Guess you'll all be for and supportive of someone starting an EDL Gas branch as the vile EDL allow membership for all?
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 24, 2018 16:08:41 GMT
Last time I looked the elderly, women, girls, disabled or lgbt weren't defined by race or religion. Actually all of those groups exist within every racial and religious group though in many of those racial and religious groups they are treated appalling, certainly worse than anyone gets treated at football. So yep if you want to form those groups on Mon racial or religious lines, which actually would be discrimination under current legislation, then yep go ahead. What I won't support is Pakistani pirates or Catholic gas as that is promoting division, though of course I believe that is what diversity is trying to promote.. But the group we were talking about earlier isn't set up on racial or religious grounds. Even on a cursory examination it's clearly just a fan's group and clearly open to all. Well unless I'm missing something terms like bengali and Pakistani are being quoted by those supporting the ideas. The EDL and the like will claim membership is open to all but the title of those groups make it quite clear that it's for some and not for others. Not being bengali or Pakistani why the hell would I join or be interested in a group promoting themselves as such?
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 24, 2018 15:09:41 GMT
There is a lot of focus on here from a certain few individuals about groups based around ethnic lines. This seems to be the issue for some people. The Community Trust are talking about support for all underrepresented groups in football. This means ensuring all our fans feel safe and can support the Gas. This means making sure the elderly, women and girls, the disabled, lgbt are all respected and represented. I see very little talk from these certain individuals arguing that they should not allow an elderly supporters group, a women's supporters group, a disabled supporters group, an lgbt group. Why is that? These are all underrepresented groups just the same as those based around someone's race or religion. Last time I looked the elderly, women, girls, disabled or lgbt weren't defined by race or religion. Actually all of those groups exist within every racial and religious group though in many of those racial and religious groups they are treated appalling, certainly worse than anyone gets treated at football. So yep if you want to form those groups on Mon racial or religious lines, which actually would be discrimination under current legislation, then yep go ahead. What I won't support is Pakistani pirates or Catholic gas as that is promoting division, though of course I believe that is what diversity is trying to promote..
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 24, 2018 12:49:53 GMT
What's the issue in Oakland perceived racism? Attended a game there on my own as a white person with no problems at all. Didn't feel out of place or uncomfortable, was I supposed to have imagined the racism? A few Dolphin fans got barracked, can't remember their racial make up, but nothing compared to what happens outside any football ground in England. There isn't an issue with perceived racism. If you read back through my posts you'll see I've made no such claim. Well certainly I didn't encounter any racism regardless of the ethic make up of the crowd. Then again its not something I would go looking to find, though I think there are plenty of people that look for it.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 24, 2018 12:28:00 GMT
I have family living near, so it's not so much a think as a know. Good day to you Sir. Oh really? With which all white group did you attend a Raiders game? Either way it's a completely anodyne point since (if what you say is true) it would raise the question of why we would want to behave in a manner no better than a place which has the crime and societal issues that it does. Like saying we shouldn't have clean running water because they don't in Eritrea. What's the issue in Oakland perceived racism? Attended a game there on my own as a white person with no problems at all. Didn't feel out of place or uncomfortable, was I supposed to have imagined the racism? A few Dolphin fans got barracked, can't remember their racial make up, but nothing compared to what happens outside any football ground in England.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 24, 2018 12:11:30 GMT
Some people never will and some people will believe that 2 wrongs make a right. Sad. Laws exist to deal with racism but those laws require people to stand up and report the offences. Perhaps it's the attitude of people like peterparker that need to change and report racism. The other way is to do nothing and hope someone else reports it. I would report racism if I heard it thank you very much.
What I was saying is that these groups are to encourage people to go to football, where they otherwise wouldn't because the wouldn't feel comfortable, or safe or they just never thought about it before. Not encouraging segregation which you seem to think
Well good for you that's the way to go about racism and discrimination. The way not to do it in my view is to create groups along ethnic lines. Christ next thing you know people will be calling for a white supremacist gas group. Unfortunately in diversity people aren't looking for equality but a stick to beat people with to recognise their particular group at the expense of others. I'll support equality but I won't support discrimination, in any form, that supports racism.
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