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Post by tommym9 on Apr 26, 2018 14:00:14 GMT
From the supporters club website:
LGBT fan groups met up in Manchesrer in June 2017 for Pride in Football’s #CallItOut Symposium at the National Football Museum.
Pride in Football is the national umbrella organisation for LGBT fan groups, founded with assistance from Fans for Diversity, and its membership continues to grow – something which was recognised at the Call It Out event.
Call It Out celebrated the growth of the LGBT supporter movement and energising supporters to carry on championing the rights of LGBT fans.
“Three years ago when we staarted there were only four LGBT fans groups – now there are almost 30”, said Di Cunningham from Proud Canaries and Pride in Football.
“The visilibility of LGBT fans has increased a lot in that time. It’s really important that LGBT supporters see there are others out there and that they’re welcome in our football grounds”.
The Proud Canaries were one of the original four founder members of Pride in Football along with Gay Gooners, Canal Street Blues and Proud Lilywhites.
Brentford, Crystal Palace, Huddersfield Town, Bradford City and Chelsea are just some of the clubs whose fans have created LGBT fan groups in the last year.
The event also looked at homophobia in football, including the challenges still facing LGBT supporters – as well as promoting further reporting of LGBT discrimination, improved training for club stewards and much more.
“There is better reporting, stewarding and training in place now”, Di said. “So things are improving slowly but we’d like to see more done at lower league and non-league level. But it isn’t just about making football more welcoming for LGBT fans, we want to improve football for everyone”.
“It was a really positive event, with delegates leaving with new ideas and renewed motivation to make watching football as an LGBT+ fan a safe, and enjoyable experience – as long as their team wins!” Gemma Teale – LGbeeTs, Brentford FC
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 26, 2018 14:29:20 GMT
If it's a group not founded on race or religious basis then good luck to any group formed at Bristol Rovers.
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Post by Baxtinho on Apr 26, 2018 14:36:08 GMT
Good on them, the more any club can do to remove the stigma around sexuality in football, the better. 2018 after all - shouldn't be any abuse towards somebody for who they are.
Let's hope this thread doesn't quickly descend into racism like all the others!
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Post by LJG on Apr 26, 2018 14:37:42 GMT
Mystic Meg says "Thread locked".
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Post by gregsy on Apr 26, 2018 14:39:41 GMT
Mystic Meg says "Thread locked". Mystic Meg has got a keen eye on this one I reckon.... |
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Post by midlandgas213 on Apr 26, 2018 16:04:59 GMT
Why on Earth do these people feel the need to have their own group if everyone with a different way of life he'd one there would be hundreds
Just forget about different groups and just be supporters full stop whoever you are
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Post by axegas on Apr 26, 2018 16:12:48 GMT
Why on Earth do these people feel the need to have their own group if everyone with a different way of life he'd one there would be hundreds Just forget about different groups and just be supporters full stop whoever you are Perhaps because they are being marginalised and discriminated against? In an ideal world they could forget about being part of a different group and feel welcome as a supporter but the mindless actions of a small few in society sadly prevent it. This means they can't "just be supporters". The aim of these groups is to make supporters feel more inclusive and supported. Nothing wrong in that surely? |
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Post by scoobydoogas on Apr 26, 2018 16:15:06 GMT
I'll try to be as careful with my views and language as I can here but sometimes I think I must be thick cos I don't understand why this group or any other group of people need to form a group/club just to be able to go to a football match? Why can't they just go to a game and watch the football? Why do they have to go to a game under the advertising banner of being "different"? It's the bringing of attention to it that upsets people who are not of a like minded opinion. I've got no issue at all with them attending games but I do take offence at them potentially waving flags and banners in my face or otherwise advertising themselves and pointing out that they are "different" whilst trying to fight for being treated the same, whilst also forcing me to accept what I don't like or run the risk of being branded as something nasty.
Despite the efforts of many, in this Country we still have some freedom of choice. I can choose to dislike x, y and z but that doesn't mean I am actively confrontational. So why do these groups feel that they have to be confrontational to me? If people just attended games and joined in there would be a lot less hassle than many people are making out. For example, I have no idea of the sexual orientation of anyone that I stand by in the Blackthorn end. Nobody is openly advertising anything and the only disagreements between people are about football views. However, if a group suddenly stood next to me with rainbow flags or face paint etc, I would not feel comfortable and I would wonder why they feel to need to advertise themselves. As I've said before, blending in causes no issues, but advertising differences does. As a slightly different example, there are many black people on the terraces and, whilst I can't speak for everyone, I have never heard any nastiness being directed to any of them. In fact, it's the complete opposite.
I think you can determine from my post where my feelings lie but I hope that I've expressed myself properly without offending the easily offended.
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Post by oldgas on Apr 26, 2018 17:02:42 GMT
I'll try to be as careful with my views and language as I can here but sometimes I think I must be thick cos I don't understand why this group or any other group of people need to form a group/club just to be able to go to a football match? Why can't they just go to a game and watch the football? Why do they have to go to a game under the advertising banner of being "different"? It's the bringing of attention to it that upsets people who are not of a like minded opinion. I've got no issue at all with them attending games but I do take offence at them potentially waving flags and banners in my face or otherwise advertising themselves and pointing out that they are "different" whilst trying to fight for being treated the same, whilst also forcing me to accept what I don't like or run the risk of being branded as something nasty. Despite the efforts of many, in this Country we still have some freedom of choice. I can choose to dislike x, y and z but that doesn't mean I am actively confrontational. So why do these groups feel that they have to be confrontational to me? If people just attended games and joined in there would be a lot less hassle than many people are making out. For example, I have no idea of the sexual orientation of anyone that I stand by in the Blackthorn end. Nobody is openly advertising anything and the only disagreements between people are about football views. However, if a group suddenly stood next to me with rainbow flags or face paint etc, I would not feel comfortable and I would wonder why they feel to need to advertise themselves. As I've said before, blending in causes no issues, but advertising differences does. As a slightly different example, there are many black people on the terraces and, whilst I can't speak for everyone, I have never heard any nastiness being directed to any of them. In fact, it's the complete opposite. I think you can determine from my post where my feelings lie but I hope that I've expressed myself properly without offending the easily offended. I shouldn't overly worry yourself about this Scooby. What with the Bristol Bears at the Open Sewer I would imagine they'll be attracted south of the river! |
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Post by peterparker on Apr 26, 2018 17:13:03 GMT
I'll try to be as careful with my views and language as I can here but sometimes I think I must be thick cos I don't understand why this group or any other group of people need to form a group/club just to be able to go to a football match? Why can't they just go to a game and watch the football? Why do they have to go to a game under the advertising banner of being "different"? It's the bringing of attention to it that upsets people who are not of a like minded opinion. I've got no issue at all with them attending games but I do take offence at them potentially waving flags and banners in my face or otherwise advertising themselves and pointing out that they are "different" whilst trying to fight for being treated the same, whilst also forcing me to accept what I don't like or run the risk of being branded as something nasty. Despite the efforts of many, in this Country we still have some freedom of choice. I can choose to dislike x, y and z but that doesn't mean I am actively confrontational. So why do these groups feel that they have to be confrontational to me? If people just attended games and joined in there would be a lot less hassle than many people are making out. For example, I have no idea of the sexual orientation of anyone that I stand by in the Blackthorn end. Nobody is openly advertising anything and the only disagreements between people are about football views. However, if a group suddenly stood next to me with rainbow flags or face paint etc, I would not feel comfortable and I would wonder why they feel to need to advertise themselves. As I've said before, blending in causes no issues, but advertising differences does. As a slightly different example, there are many black people on the terraces and, whilst I can't speak for everyone, I have never heard any nastiness being directed to any of them. In fact, it's the complete opposite. I think you can determine from my post where my feelings lie but I hope that I've expressed myself properly without offending the easily offended. Why should it bother anyone if there is a group of anything/anyone one way or another? If people want to start a subsection of like minded individuals more power to them. |
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Post by scoobydoogas on Apr 26, 2018 18:11:01 GMT
Why should it bother anyone if there is a group of anything/anyone one way or another?
If people want to start a subsection of like minded individuals more power to them. [/quote]
Yawn. It's because the law of this country gives me the right to like what I want and to dislike what I want. It's how I go about disliking something that could get me in trouble but the answer to that point is in my original post. I also have a right not to have people like you try and tell me what I can and can't like. I'll smile at one of these groups standing next to me openly flaunting themselves at a Rovers game when I see you smiling at a group of neo fascists, or a vocal We Hate Peter Parker From Gaschat group standing by you. No, I thought not. I'm pretty sure you would feel as uncomfortable in that situation as I would in the one I'm expected to enjoy. You can't have it both ways. Either anyone and everyone is allowed to set up any king of group, or no-one is.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Apr 26, 2018 18:15:26 GMT
I'll try to be as careful with my views and language as I can here but sometimes I think I must be thick cos I don't understand why this group or any other group of people need to form a group/club just to be able to go to a football match? Why can't they just go to a game and watch the football? Why do they have to go to a game under the advertising banner of being "different"? It's the bringing of attention to it that upsets people who are not of a like minded opinion. I've got no issue at all with them attending games but I do take offence at them potentially waving flags and banners in my face or otherwise advertising themselves and pointing out that they are "different" whilst trying to fight for being treated the same, whilst also forcing me to accept what I don't like or run the risk of being branded as something nasty. Despite the efforts of many, in this Country we still have some freedom of choice. I can choose to dislike x, y and z but that doesn't mean I am actively confrontational. So why do these groups feel that they have to be confrontational to me? If people just attended games and joined in there would be a lot less hassle than many people are making out. For example, I have no idea of the sexual orientation of anyone that I stand by in the Blackthorn end. Nobody is openly advertising anything and the only disagreements between people are about football views. However, if a group suddenly stood next to me with rainbow flags or face paint etc, I would not feel comfortable and I would wonder why they feel to need to advertise themselves. As I've said before, blending in causes no issues, but advertising differences does. As a slightly different example, there are many black people on the terraces and, whilst I can't speak for everyone, I have never heard any nastiness being directed to any of them. In fact, it's the complete opposite. I think you can determine from my post where my feelings lie but I hope that I've expressed myself properly without offending the easily offended. Scooby for the very first time on here there is something we can both agree on and I think your post as hit exactly the right spot I agree 100% with every word you said well played |
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Post by peterparker on Apr 26, 2018 18:18:14 GMT
Why should it bother anyone if there is a group of anything/anyone one way or another? If people want to start a subsection of like minded individuals more power to them. Yawn. It's because the law of this country gives me the right to like what I want and to dislike what I want. It's how I go about disliking something that could get me in trouble but the answer to that point is in my original post. I also have a right not to have people like you try and tell me what I can and can't like. I'll smile at one of these groups standing next to me openly flaunting themselves at a Rovers game when I see you smiling at a group of neo fascists, or a vocal We Hate Peter Parker From Gaschat group standing by you. No, I thought not. I'm pretty sure you would feel as uncomfortable in that situation as I would in the one I'm expected to enjoy. You can't have it both ways. Either anyone and everyone is allowed to set up any king of group, or no-one is. [/quote] You know that isnt what i am saying. If they are harmless what is the problem. If anyone promotes violence or hate, they get reported None of these groups are confrontational, just like you arent. If they want to be Gay, or happen to be Punjabi, so what. They arent getting special treatment. |
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Post by scoobydoogas on Apr 26, 2018 18:28:04 GMT
I'll try to be as careful with my views and language as I can here but sometimes I think I must be thick cos I don't understand why this group or any other group of people need to form a group/club just to be able to go to a football match? Why can't they just go to a game and watch the football? Why do they have to go to a game under the advertising banner of being "different"? It's the bringing of attention to it that upsets people who are not of a like minded opinion. I've got no issue at all with them attending games but I do take offence at them potentially waving flags and banners in my face or otherwise advertising themselves and pointing out that they are "different" whilst trying to fight for being treated the same, whilst also forcing me to accept what I don't like or run the risk of being branded as something nasty. Despite the efforts of many, in this Country we still have some freedom of choice. I can choose to dislike x, y and z but that doesn't mean I am actively confrontational. So why do these groups feel that they have to be confrontational to me? If people just attended games and joined in there would be a lot less hassle than many people are making out. For example, I have no idea of the sexual orientation of anyone that I stand by in the Blackthorn end. Nobody is openly advertising anything and the only disagreements between people are about football views. However, if a group suddenly stood next to me with rainbow flags or face paint etc, I would not feel comfortable and I would wonder why they feel to need to advertise themselves. As I've said before, blending in causes no issues, but advertising differences does. As a slightly different example, there are many black people on the terraces and, whilst I can't speak for everyone, I have never heard any nastiness being directed to any of them. In fact, it's the complete opposite. I think you can determine from my post where my feelings lie but I hope that I've expressed myself properly without offending the easily offended. Scooby for the very first time on here there is something we can both agree on and I think your post as hit exactly the right spot I agree 100% with every word you said well played [br Ok. Thanks, I think. Do we normally have a problem? I can't recall us corresponding before. |
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Post by midlandgas213 on Apr 26, 2018 18:48:20 GMT
Scooby for the very first time on here there is something we can both agree on and I think your post as hit exactly the right spot I agree 100% with every word you said well played [br Ok. Thanks, I think. Do we normally have a problem? I can't recall us corresponding before. It's just that I am probably the only bloke on here who does not like DC and I am sure reading some of your threads that you come down on the side of DC that's all by the way I am a sissy maid can I have my own group please lol |
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Post by scoobydoogas on Apr 26, 2018 18:59:30 GMT
[br Ok. Thanks, I think. Do we normally have a problem? I can't recall us corresponding before. It's just that I am probably the only bloke on here who does not like DC and I am sure reading some of your threads that you come down on the side of DC that's all by the way I am a sissy maid can I have my own group please lol Oh, I see. I am def not a DC lover. I am pretty much 50/50. He's done a good job but there are plenty of things about him that infuriate me. It's maybe that I choose my battles more carefully and post accordingly. |
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Post by aforce on Apr 26, 2018 19:23:47 GMT
Oh not this mob 🙈
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 26, 2018 19:50:19 GMT
We are all different in one way or another, in fact being a Rovers fan is what brings us together here as it is one thing we have in common, in many other respects we probably would ignore each other.
I'm as 'standard' as you can get in terms of my background; white, working class, comprehensive school educated, heterosexual male but there will be something different which someone else will pick up as unusual. Gentle joshing is one thing but it can go too far.
I work with a gay man and what he has had to put up with from even his so called close family is appalling. It is no wonder there is pride in being different. I did it in the 80s to differentiate myself from others who took the p!55 out of me, I called myself a Gashead and was proud to do so.
I have no problem with this.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 26, 2018 20:19:10 GMT
Why on Earth do these people feel the need to have their own group if everyone with a different way of life he'd one there would be hundreds Just forget about different groups and just be supporters full stop whoever you are "They" don't want to have their own group. "They" want to be included and accepted and just treated like everyone else. Things are improving, but there is a long way to go. |
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Post by inee on Apr 26, 2018 20:35:56 GMT
Why on Earth do these people feel the need to have their own group if everyone with a different way of life he'd one there would be hundreds Just forget about different groups and just be supporters full stop whoever you are Perhaps because they are being marginalised and discriminated against? In an ideal world they could forget about being part of a different group and feel welcome as a supporter but the mindless actions of a small few in society sadly prevent it. This means they can't "just be supporters". The aim of these groups is to make supporters feel more inclusive and supported. Nothing wrong in that surely? the thing is people miss the point with these groups ,why do they fell the need to announce to everyone oh look at me why are they special are they so vain or looking for a response from some who don't agree with their life style, rather than just get on with it as others have said ,before you lot start chucking the latest phobic buzz words around,just because someone doesn't agree with their life style choice it doesn't mean anything ,it simply means they don't agree. So what wrong with just getting on with people , tbh i don't need to know what your orientation is i will speak to anyone and everyone. |
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