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Post by midlandgas213 on Apr 27, 2018 14:48:33 GMT
It all went wrong in 1967 so blame Harold wilson
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 14:51:14 GMT
Or maybe read the end part of the article ,or do you mean although he apologised and claims to have changed his views ,you still want to draw attention to him ,the complex thing here is that you are challenging his religious beliefs which highlights that diversity is a minefield in that hate laws cover both sides of that incident ,why was he removed because of his beliefs when they are supposed to be protected ,or is it those views can only be tolerated from certain religions. We could turn it on it's head and say here's a positive example of the acceptance of gays ,the guy made those comments but has now seen the light ,but then that wouldn't fit would it , rather than high light people can change it does the opposite. So how can people call for change and acceptance ,and yet when it appears ignore it ,it illustrates that far from those taking a look at themselves(which he appears to have done) ,the ones who need to take a look at themselves are the ones who preach tollerance as long as its their way |
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Post by tommym9 on Apr 27, 2018 15:41:14 GMT
Or maybe read the end part of the article ,or do you mean although he apologised and claims to have changed his views ,you still want to draw attention to him ,the complex thing here is that you are challenging his religious beliefs which highlights that diversity is a minefield in that hate laws cover both sides of that incident ,why was he removed because of his beliefs when they are supposed to be protected ,or is it those views can only be tolerated from certain religions. We could turn it on it's head and say here's a positive example of the acceptance of gays ,the guy made those comments but has now seen the light ,but then that wouldn't fit would it , rather than high light people can change it does the opposite. So how can people call for change and acceptance ,and yet when it appears ignore it ,it illustrates that far from those taking a look at themselves(which he appears to have done) ,the ones who need to take a look at themselves are the ones who preach tollerance as long as its their way The point I was making is that views like this are still held. Great that this bloke has changed his mind, but there are many that are yet to. The point about religious freedom vs other peoples rights isn't one I'm going to get into because we'll be here forever. |
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Post by Russgas on Apr 27, 2018 15:53:13 GMT
We have had a few calls to move this thread off of the main board now as it seem's to be going around in circles.
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Post by madgas on Apr 27, 2018 16:18:07 GMT
Football has a LGBT issue. It is not reflective of society. 2% of the United Kingdom have officially identified themselves as part of LGBT community. Yet, within 92 clubs, there isn’t an outwardly gay player. Of course no one has said that “x isn’t welcome” but that doesn’t mean barriers don’t exist for members of the LGBT community. Having role models within the game is important. Having representation is important. Those who have a slight issue with this are frankly worryingly intolerant. If you`re so tolerant, Madgas, then why don`t you tolerate the views of people who are less comfortable with homosexuality, than yourself. You`re no different to anyone else on here; you tolerate what you want, and reject what you don`t. So by your logic racism is ok? Let’s put up with those who hate women, black people gays and disableds because we have to tolerate them? I’ve never suggested im more tolerate than you, just less prejudiced. |
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Post by madgas on Apr 27, 2018 16:38:45 GMT
Football has a LGBT issue. It is not reflective of society. 2% of the United Kingdom have officially identified themselves as part of LGBT community. Yet, within 92 clubs, there isn’t an outwardly gay player. Of course no one has said that “x isn’t welcome” but that doesn’t mean barriers don’t exist for members of the LGBT community. Having role models within the game is important. Having representation is important. Those who have a slight issue with this are frankly worryingly intolerant. Well if there are gay footballers then it's there issue if they choose to come out or not, just like it's anyone else's right to announce their sexuality. Odd that if they don't choose to come out it's somehow the fault of other people and not down to their own choice. Next the inference will be that gay footballers can't think for themselves, which personally I'm pretty sure they can Think you’ve missed the point. I’m not necessarily saying that 2% of footballers are hiding. I’m saying that there are likely social barriers preventing people from pursuing football. |
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Post by midlandgas213 on Apr 27, 2018 17:01:58 GMT
This thread is the most fun I've had in ages
Trouble is we are all likely to get barred lol
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Post by Marshy on Apr 27, 2018 17:20:31 GMT
This thread is the most fun I've had in ages Trouble is we are all likely to get barred lol Keep going then midland. 👀 |
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Post by aghast on Apr 27, 2018 20:09:03 GMT
We seem to have reached a happy British compromise here.
LGBT people are free to become part of the Gashead family if they keep quiet and and pretend they are straight.
Religious and ethnic minorities are also welcome unless they come in large numbers and attempt to sit near each other.
Seems reasonable. It's worked well enough for the last 60 years.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Apr 27, 2018 21:53:12 GMT
We seem to have reached a happy British compromise here. LGBT people are free to become part of the Gashead family if they keep quiet and and pretend they are straight. Religious and ethnic minorities are also welcome unless they come in large numbers and attempt to sit near each other. Seems reasonable. It's worked well enough for the last 60 years. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Exactly can't see what the problem is |
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Post by inee on Apr 28, 2018 14:42:48 GMT
Or maybe read the end part of the article ,or do you mean although he apologised and claims to have changed his views ,you still want to draw attention to him ,the complex thing here is that you are challenging his religious beliefs which highlights that diversity is a minefield in that hate laws cover both sides of that incident ,why was he removed because of his beliefs when they are supposed to be protected ,or is it those views can only be tolerated from certain religions. We could turn it on it's head and say here's a positive example of the acceptance of gays ,the guy made those comments but has now seen the light ,but then that wouldn't fit would it , rather than high light people can change it does the opposite. So how can people call for change and acceptance ,and yet when it appears ignore it ,it illustrates that far from those taking a look at themselves(which he appears to have done) ,the ones who need to take a look at themselves are the ones who preach tollerance as long as its their way The point I was making is that views like this are still held. Great that this bloke has changed his mind, but there are many that are yet to. The point about religious freedom vs other peoples rights isn't one I'm going to get into because we'll be here forever. yes some holds those views ,but in this instance was due to his religion ,i've said many as time many are uncomfortable with other choices of sexuality ,those won't or can't change ,who are we to say those are worse or better than everyone else, however you made the point that these views are still held ,we all know that was the bloke wrong yep hes a prick ,most will not read or digest the article but will solely focus on what he said . Yes many have yet to change their views ,some will some won't , you can't change everyone in one go ,so surely the focus should be on the fact that he appears to have changed ,it's no coincidence that the focus is always on the wrong ,whereas if you focus on the positive side some will change their views ,if you can see what i mean |
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Post by aghast on Apr 28, 2018 19:19:08 GMT
The point I was making is that views like this are still held. Great that this bloke has changed his mind, but there are many that are yet to. The point about religious freedom vs other peoples rights isn't one I'm going to get into because we'll be here forever. yes some holds those views ,but in this instance was due to his religion ,i've said many as time many are uncomfortable with other choices of sexuality ,those won't or can't change ,who are we to say those are worse or better than everyone else, however you made the point that these views are still held ,we all know that was the bloke wrong yep hes a prick ,most will not read or digest the article but will solely focus on what he said . Yes many have yet to change their views ,some will some won't , you can't change everyone in one go ,so surely the focus should be on the fact that he appears to have changed ,it's no coincidence that the focus is always on the wrong ,whereas if you focus on the positive side some will change their views ,if you can see what i mean You make some fair points inee, but of course he only revealed this sudden change of heart after he was outed on social media, so you have to doubt the sincerity of it. |
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Post by tommym9 on Apr 29, 2018 9:58:25 GMT
The point I was making is that views like this are still held. Great that this bloke has changed his mind, but there are many that are yet to. The point about religious freedom vs other peoples rights isn't one I'm going to get into because we'll be here forever. yes some holds those views ,but in this instance was due to his religion ,i've said many as time many are uncomfortable with other choices of sexuality ,those won't or can't change ,who are we to say those are worse or better than everyone else, however you made the point that these views are still held ,we all know that was the bloke wrong yep hes a prick ,most will not read or digest the article but will solely focus on what he said . Yes many have yet to change their views ,some will some won't , you can't change everyone in one go ,so surely the focus should be on the fact that he appears to have changed ,it's no coincidence that the focus is always on the wrong ,whereas if you focus on the positive side some will change their views ,if you can see what i mean I agree with you. You can read that article and think either the guys a prick or fair enough for changing his views. |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 29, 2018 11:11:23 GMT
If you`re so tolerant, Madgas, then why don`t you tolerate the views of people who are less comfortable with homosexuality, than yourself. You`re no different to anyone else on here; you tolerate what you want, and reject what you don`t. So by your logic racism is ok? Let’s put up with those who hate women, black people gays and disableds because we have to tolerate them? I’ve never suggested im more tolerate than you, just less prejudiced. Oh, please. You`d find prejudice in a dish of rice pudding. A handful of dubious jokes, don`t mean I "hate" anyone. If we did have a gay pride day at the Mem, I`d confine my observations to matters on the pitch. I don`t care who stands next to me at the football. Or in the pub. Or in a bus queue for that matter. In general, as long as someone wants to be friendly, that`s the most important consideration as far as I`m concerned. Everybody should be welcome to come along and support our football team. |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 29, 2018 11:14:11 GMT
At the very least, this thread has highlighted a few more posters I want nothing to do with whatsoever. Says the guy, who called for a roomful of protestors to give one weedy politician a good kicking. |
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Post by scoobydoogas on Apr 29, 2018 13:07:30 GMT
So by your logic racism is ok? Let’s put up with those who hate women, black people gays and disableds because we have to tolerate them? I’ve never suggested im more tolerate than you, just less prejudiced. Oh, please. You`d find prejudice in a dish of rice pudding. A handful of dubious jokes, don`t mean I "hate" anyone. If we did have a gay pride day at the Mem, I`d confine my observations to matters on the pitch. I don`t care who stands next to me at the football. Or in the pub. Or in a bus queue for that matter. In general, as long as someone wants to be friendly, that`s the most important consideration as far as I`m concerned. Everybody should be welcome to come along and support our football team. Absolutely spot on. I will hold my hands up and say that I probably overstepped the mark with some of my jokes. I think I got carried away and forgot which part of the forum I was on. One of them was a bit inappropriate on that thread, in hindsight. However, it doesn't take away from the fact that the pro this and the pro that posters don't want to listen to anyone who isn't in their gang and generally don't bother reading the whole posting as they already have their mind made up and their response ready.
Personally, I was trying to highlight how uncomfortable I find the subject and then have to read how anyone that feels as uncomfortable as I do is somehow homophobic, racist, sexist and any other kind of ...ist. If I got my knob out at a game and started waving it around then some would laugh, others would look away and some would feel uncomfortable and offended. However, I wouldn't go up to the offended group and insist that they like what I'm doing. I would just accept that they are feeling quite uncomfortable.
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Post by scoobydoogas on Apr 29, 2018 13:19:30 GMT
At the very least, this thread has highlighted a few more posters I want nothing to do with whatsoever. Says the guy, who called for a roomful of protestors to give one weedy politician a good kicking. And doesn't it work the other way as well? There are many posters on here to have directed crap my way and I don't particularly want to be exchanging Christmas cards with them. However, I am more inclined to say hello if I ever meet them and take things from there. Expressing that I feel uncomfortable about something, and because I don't share someone else's view, doesn't mean I am going to punch someone's lights out on the terraces (as I explained in my original posting on this thread). If we go down the "I don't like you cos you don't share my view" route there will be factions galore springing up all over the ground.
Take the example of two people. One likes Chris Lines, the other doesn't. Yet they both like to stand on the terrace rather than sitting down. What happens there? Taking the "I don't like you because" line to it's limit these two guys would have a brain explosion. "I like you cos you also like terracing, but I don't like you cos you like Chris Lines and I don't". I don't know whether to like you or hate you. Ow my brain hurts.
Baggins is perfectly within his right to like and dislike anyone he pleases (isn't that exactly what I put in my first post) but if an opposition fan was laying into him outside the ground after a game I would have no hesitation in helping him out. I wouldn't ask him what his views were on x, y and z before deciding whether to assist. I would just wade in and help him out as a fellow Gashead and a human being.
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Post by madgas on Apr 29, 2018 17:32:41 GMT
So by your logic racism is ok? Let’s put up with those who hate women, black people gays and disableds because we have to tolerate them? I’ve never suggested im more tolerate than you, just less prejudiced. Oh, please. You`d find prejudice in a dish of rice pudding. A handful of dubious jokes, don`t mean I "hate" anyone. If we did have a gay pride day at the Mem, I`d confine my observations to matters on the pitch. I don`t care who stands next to me at the football. Or in the pub. Or in a bus queue for that matter. In general, as long as someone wants to be friendly, that`s the most important consideration as far as I`m concerned. Everybody should be welcome to come along and support our football team. I agree, that’s all that matters. |
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Post by oldgas on Apr 29, 2018 19:00:39 GMT
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Post by althepirate on May 6, 2018 8:52:55 GMT
My personal contentment with life is achieved by avoiding narrow minded, judgemental people. These types are found in all groups whether they have alternative lifestyles or not. Each one of us is individual and imo we should be treated as such.That is why I dislike groups because they don't tell the whole story as a members personality will be suppressed to fit that particular group. Imo this is because these groups generally have a 'leader' who in some small way will dictate and suppress.
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