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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 18:11:16 GMT
I think our recruiting has been affected by the increase in salary demands and transfer fees. The massive increase in tv revenue at the top has had a knock on effect with the championship clubs spending crazy money and possible rovers targets like matt godden suddenly way out of our reach[ref peterbro chairman saying stevenage wanted 1.5m for him]. I think the interview was mostly a lowering of expectation exercise but it may well be in the clubs interest not to pay silly money and instead make signings later in the window.
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Post by lmgas on Jul 4, 2017 18:12:00 GMT
He's talking about young loan signings again - really not a supporter of this approach. Why should we develop other clubs talent and see them walk out the door after a year? Surely the focus has now got to be on finding and developing our own through the under 21's. Parent clubs of loanees will want their players getting game time - one of the reasons I suggest that Roberts, Colkett and Boateng all left early. To challenge near the top end of this division will need a team of predominantly seasoned pros with at least two or three years of 'hard' league experience. Guess you didn't appreciate Sweeney or Lumley then? And you wouldn't want them back on loan?!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 18:16:27 GMT
I think our recruiting has been affected by the increase in salary demands and transfer fees. The massive increase in tv revenue at the top has had a knock on effect with the championship clubs spending crazy money and possible rovers targets like matt godden suddenly way out of our reach[ref peterbro chairman saying stevenage wanted 1.5m for him]. I think the interview was mostly a lowering of expectation exercise but it may well be in the clubs interest not to pay silly money and instead make signings later in the window. BB I was going to say something similar. I give you enough sh** for some posts, thought I'd tip my hat to this one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 18:24:48 GMT
He's talking about young loan signings again - really not a supporter of this approach. Why should we develop other clubs talent and see them walk out the door after a year? Surely the focus has now got to be on finding and developing our own through the under 21's. Parent clubs of loanees will want their players getting game time - one of the reasons I suggest that Roberts, Colkett and Boateng all left early. To challenge near the top end of this division will need a team of predominantly seasoned pros with at least two or three years of 'hard' league experience. Guess you didn't appreciate Sweeney or Lumley then? And you wouldn't want them back on loan?! Guessed wrong - the last two late loan signing were excellent - the first six were rubbish.
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Post by socrates on Jul 4, 2017 18:32:57 GMT
To be fair we have signed 3 already even if it does include 2 young uns. Since when did Academy players count as 1st team squad players, if we're going to start counting them we'll need something like 50 players not 25. Whatever happens the big one for me is who we bring in to replace the snake, I was also hopefully we'd splash a bit of money on his replacement but now I sense we'll have to make do with just another freebie. Taylor was a freebie ffs. This place is a joke at times.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 4, 2017 18:40:11 GMT
I think our recruiting has been affected by the increase in salary demands and transfer fees. The massive increase in tv revenue at the top has had a knock on effect with the championship clubs spending crazy money and possible rovers targets like matt godden suddenly way out of our reach[ref peterbro chairman saying stevenage wanted 1.5m for him]. I think the interview was mostly a lowering of expectation exercise but it may well be in the clubs interest not to pay silly money and instead make signings later in the window. Why would Championship clubs spending silly money effect Div 1 clubs buying power, as Godden is only ever going to sign for a Div 1 side so unless he's hoping to sign for Blackburn, Wigan or Rotherham their spending power is irrelevant at Div 1 level. SH said in his interview on the 1 June DC had a top 6 budget, I doubt there's suddenly been a massive increase in budgets in just a month.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 18:47:49 GMT
Since when did Academy players count as 1st team squad players, if we're going to start counting them we'll need something like 50 players not 25. Whatever happens the big one for me is who we bring in to replace the snake, I was also hopefully we'd splash a bit of money on his replacement but now I sense we'll have to make do with just another freebie. Taylor was a freebie ffs. This place is a joke at times. Slightly different circumstances - Taylor was signed when we were in the Conference and he evolved with the team. A lot different at this level for a striker to score I would suggest.
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Post by aghast on Jul 4, 2017 19:18:35 GMT
I thought it was very positive. He made it clear he's aiming for a top six position this year; no talk of consolidating.
I don't think DC does PR-speak very well, if indeed at all. If he wasn't happy, he'd have told us, perhaps with one of those sideways glances at the camera.
He does need some Optrex for those itchy eyes though.
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Post by socrates on Jul 4, 2017 19:27:51 GMT
Taylor was a freebie ffs. This place is a joke at times. Slightly different circumstances - Taylor was signed when we were in the Conference and he evolved with the team. A lot different at this level for a striker to score I would suggest. Not necessarily though, we've signed plenty of strikers either for free or peanuts that have gone on to bang in goals in division three and no doubt there will be more. The thing we really have to change is our ability to keep hold of those players once their ours, only that way will we stay up if and when we've gone up.
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Post by singupgas on Jul 4, 2017 20:01:42 GMT
I am glad DC is still calm.
I am looking at our squad and don't see where any goals are coming from, desperately need some strikers and another wide player.
Only sounds like we have a few GKs options.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 20:03:11 GMT
I take most things that Steve Hamer says at the moment with pinch of salt unfortunately. I have no faith in our Chairman at the moment. he only tells people what they want to hear Not a fan either-a deflector of truth-but the landing gear is down!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 20:06:34 GMT
Teams that get promoted into championship have players that have played in the championship-we have none of those. Will we do better than 10th-nope.
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Post by socrates on Jul 4, 2017 20:15:24 GMT
Teams that get promoted into championship have players that have played in the championship-we have none of those. Will we do better than 10th-nope. With the squad we've got now ? I totally agree with you.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jul 4, 2017 20:19:53 GMT
Teams that get promoted into championship have players that have played in the championship-we have none of those. Will we do better than 10th-nope. Not sure that this is correct. There is no set formula for getting promoted. Our biggest assets remains the strength in our collective spirit, our will to win and fitness. I think just the odd bit of quality in a couple of areas could make the difference. Wholesale changes would be potentially disastrous, in my opinion. Use our 1990 title winning team as our inspiration. They improved year on year from 1987/88 to 1990/91 with minimal comings and goings, but with the right training and attitude they did amazing things. None of those players, with the possible exception of Carl Saunders, were proven in the Championship, yet many went on to play in the top flight. If you can improve your own, like our training staff have shown they can, then this is worth millions of pounds in unspent transfer fees.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 4, 2017 20:20:43 GMT
I have no faith in our Chairman at the moment. he only tells people what they want to hear Not a fan either-a deflector of truth-but the landing gear is down! At the end of the day he can only reflect on what he knows at the time so i do feel sorry for him. Got to be a thankless task at the best of times. Just wish he could bring us some good news for once !
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Post by markczgas on Jul 4, 2017 20:45:51 GMT
To be fair we have signed 3 already even if it does include 2 young uns. Since when did Academy players count as 1st team squad players, if we're going to start counting them we'll need something like 50 players not 25. Whatever happens the big one for me is who we bring in to replace the snake, I was also hopefully we'd splash a bit of money on his replacement but now I sense we'll have to make do with just another freebie. Academy players means until 16, then from 16 -18 they are apprentices, then after that you get a pro contract. So Topper who are the Academy signings ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 20:52:52 GMT
I think our recruiting has been affected by the increase in salary demands and transfer fees. The massive increase in tv revenue at the top has had a knock on effect with the championship clubs spending crazy money and possible rovers targets like matt godden suddenly way out of our reach[ref peterbro chairman saying stevenage wanted 1.5m for him]. I think the interview was mostly a lowering of expectation exercise but it may well be in the clubs interest not to pay silly money and instead make signings later in the window. Why would Championship clubs spending silly money effect Div 1 clubs buying power, as Godden is only ever going to sign for a Div 1 side so unless he's hoping to sign for Blackburn, Wigan or Rotherham their spending power is irrelevant at Div 1 level. SH said in his interview on the 1 June DC had a top 6 budget, I doubt there's suddenly been a massive increase in budgets in just a month. Not at all,championship teams took a punt on andre gray and there are other examples. If you look at the money championship clubs are spending some clubs will look at league 1 and 2 players because they cant afford £5m but maybe at a push could sign godden and his like for £1.5m and pay less salary relatively. The knock on effect means clubs like rovers are pushed out of that market. In the interview dc also distanced himself from hamers top 6 budget comment by saying something like "we are never going to be high payers compared to some" or something like that?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 21:06:07 GMT
I call that good business management why waste money on transfer when you can borrow a quality player on loan for season or half a season. Many would hate to admit but they would have Taylpr back on loan if meant we got promoted through his goals
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 4, 2017 21:29:53 GMT
I call that good business management why waste money on transfer when you can borrow a quality player on loan for season or half a season. Many would hate to admit but they would have Taylpr back on loan if meant we got promoted through his goals Problem is from our perspective there's no signs of any players joining the club, loans or permanent signings, whilst every other Div 1 club seems to be signing up players on a daily basis. Perhaps Lambert & Taylor are joining us on loan and Lumley & Sweeney are returning to join them but there's little info coming out of the club to know what's going on.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 4, 2017 21:37:57 GMT
Since when did Academy players count as 1st team squad players, if we're going to start counting them we'll need something like 50 players not 25. Whatever happens the big one for me is who we bring in to replace the snake, I was also hopefully we'd splash a bit of money on his replacement but now I sense we'll have to make do with just another freebie. Academy players means until 16, then from 16 -18 they are apprentices, then after that you get a pro contract. So Topper who are the Academy signings ? You obviously know who I'm referring to, if the U23 side is not the Academy then what is it called, as the only teams listed on the OS are "First team" and "Academy" there's no mention of the U23 side apart from in news articles.
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