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Post by oddsongas on Aug 4, 2017 13:18:29 GMT
Tue, but I don't necessarily think speaking first means telling the truth. My thinking anyway. True, but four days after the 'deadline' and not a word from the AQ family? It stinks. Although I don't agree, I imagine they wanted to wait for a better time to announce it. We have 2 very different views but I can understand where you're coming from.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 13:18:43 GMT
True, but four days after the 'deadline' and not a word from the AQ family? It stinks. More than UWE never releasing anything for 18 months? UWE had no reason to release anything.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 13:19:32 GMT
True, but four days after the 'deadline' and not a word from the AQ family? It stinks. Although I don't agree, I imagine they wanted to wait for a better time to announce it. We have 2 very different views but I can understand where you're coming from. After next Fri when ST sales ends?
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Post by oddsongas on Aug 4, 2017 13:21:11 GMT
Although I don't agree, I imagine they wanted to wait for a better time to announce it. We have 2 very different views but I can understand where you're coming from. After next Fri when ST sales ends? Like I said I don't agree with it, if something needs saying, say it. But you may be correct. IF that was the case I don't believe it means it was their fault and are running away from the club.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 4, 2017 13:23:54 GMT
Although I don't agree, I imagine they wanted to wait for a better time to announce it. We have 2 very different views but I can understand where you're coming from. After next Fri when ST sales ends? Although I get that it influences the mood around the whole club, I really don't understand why someone wouldn't buy a season ticket for this season just because talks have broken down about the stadium we may/may not be playing in in a couple of years time. It's not going to have any effect on the season ticket you're paying for now is it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 13:28:20 GMT
After next Fri when ST sales ends? Like I said I don't agree with it, if something needs saying, say it. But you may be correct. IF that was the case I don't believe it means it was their fault and are running away from the club. I wouldn't blame them for doing that if they were just interested in making money, it wouldn't be logical to give customers bad news and expect them to commit to a whole season especially when the carrot being dangled all these years has turned rotten. Maybe that was why the deadline of August was given as most ST sales would have already been in the bag? I've lost a lot of money in the past but ive turned it around and then some, enough to consider semi retirement before I reach 40. Transparency is key to earning trust in my experience, of course you are never going to know exactly what is going on when negotiations are being carried out but when something has been decided, like you said, announce it or you risk someone else announcing it in their own way. I'd love to know when they were planning to tell us, as they obviously weren't prepared to tell us anytime soon.
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Post by oddsongas on Aug 4, 2017 13:33:06 GMT
Like I said I don't agree with it, if something needs saying, say it. But you may be correct. IF that was the case I don't believe it means it was their fault and are running away from the club. I wouldn't blame them for doing that if they were just interested in making money, it wouldn't be logical to give customers bad news and expect them to commit to a whole season especially when the carrot being dangled all these years has turned rotten. Maybe that was why the deadline of August was given as most ST sales would have already been in the bag? I've lost a lot of money in the past but ive turned it around and then some, enough to consider semi retirement before I reach 40. Transparency is key to earning trust in my experience, of course you are never going to know exactly what is going on when negotiations are being carried out but when something has been decided, like you said, announce it or you risk someone else announcing it in their own way. I'd love to know when they were planning to tell us, as they obviously weren't prepared to tell us anytime soon. I agree. They've had a big setback and the leak hasn't helped. Maybe I'm naive but I feel they are still committed and willing to make this work and this was just a big setback
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 13:34:15 GMT
After next Fri when ST sales ends? Although I get that it influences the mood around the whole club, I really don't understand why someone wouldn't buy a season ticket for this season just because talks have broken down about the stadium we may/may not be playing in in a couple of years time. It's not going to have any effect on the season ticket you're paying for now is it? Maybe some fans would become disillusioned with the club or those in charge at the club. Either way it wouldnt have encouraged ST sales
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 4, 2017 13:37:48 GMT
It would be nice gesture if the UWE (who up until now have not behaved like English Gentlemen with their delays and deliberate ignoring of deadlines) were to apologise to the Al-Qadi family. Who says the delays were the fault of the UWE? the 'deliberate ignoring of deadlines' is a Red Herring. Please don't fall for that nonsense. and your source for this provocative statement
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 13:39:08 GMT
I wouldn't blame them for doing that if they were just interested in making money, it wouldn't be logical to give customers bad news and expect them to commit to a whole season especially when the carrot being dangled all these years has turned rotten. Maybe that was why the deadline of August was given as most ST sales would have already been in the bag? I've lost a lot of money in the past but ive turned it around and then some, enough to consider semi retirement before I reach 40. Transparency is key to earning trust in my experience, of course you are never going to know exactly what is going on when negotiations are being carried out but when something has been decided, like you said, announce it or you risk someone else announcing it in their own way. I'd love to know when they were planning to tell us, as they obviously weren't prepared to tell us anytime soon. I agree. They've had a big setback and the leak hasn't helped. Maybe I'm naive but I feel they are still committed and willing to make this work and this was just a big setback Hope so, as if there is £10 million charge against the Mem which is valued at 14 (at best) million, then you factor in the hundred of thousand losses on the UWE project plus other general losses, where is the money going to come from to keep us going?
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Post by toddy1953 on Aug 4, 2017 13:39:55 GMT
Who says the delays were the fault of the UWE? the 'deliberate ignoring of deadlines' is a Red Herring. Please don't fall for that nonsense. Of course it's UWE's fault. Money on the table with a deal, didn't like that, wanted to lease the Ground rather than sell it. We offered the going price, wanted more. Now we've ended it they're in the press saying they can't understand why. Now we're the bad guys. Screw them. Didn't SH say yesterday to GT that the issue re lease or freehold was sorted and therefore wasn't the reason we pulled out? If we wanted a completely different deal to the original plan with NH, I don't think you can blame UWE for wanting to protect there interests & get as much as they could from the deal as I expect DS wanted the best they could get. What were DS told about the UWE plans before the takeover, should they have known more about the NH deal? Where have SG Council been all the while, as I thought this project was going to be a huge boost to the economy in the area? Taking away the politics from all of this, it's a real shame that for whatever reason it's not going ahead, I accept confidentiality and all that, but lack of communication, from both sides has driven so much uncertainty amongst everyone. I expect it's down to finances at the end of the day, if so why not say outright UWE wanted too much money & we didn't think it was viable, but we don't, we just keep saying the finance was in place, I think most would accept that.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 4, 2017 13:40:20 GMT
I take it thats Dundee? As with Liverpool and Nottingham, Dundee doesn't have a Vitriolic rivalry between the two clubs like Bristol has. Probably because like Liverpool and Nottingham the two grounds have been there for well over 100 years, and there isn't a defined "territory" within the City. Rovers just rocking up and building a stadium in South Bristol would not work, and will never happen. Why would it not work; would fans not go because its in South Bristol, even though many live there and have lived there for years? The north and south thing is total bollox anyway, its OUR city, north south east and bloody west. South Bristol is big enough that it could still be built far enough away from AG. Surely its worth exploring rather than just saying it wont work and wont happen. We wasted enough time and money over the last 18 months on the UWE deal after all... Where in South Bristol would you build it? There's loads of reasons why it wouldn't work.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 13:44:28 GMT
Why would it not work; would fans not go because its in South Bristol, even though many live there and have lived there for years? The north and south thing is total bollox anyway, its OUR city, north south east and bloody west. South Bristol is big enough that it could still be built far enough away from AG. Surely its worth exploring rather than just saying it wont work and wont happen. We wasted enough time and money over the last 18 months on the UWE deal after all... Where in South Bristol would you build it? There's loads of reasons why it wouldn't work. I dont know and its not my job to find out but I was questioning why all sites HAVE to be North Bristol. Even Bath and NE somerset should be looked at. Name some reasons it wouldnt work..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 13:52:15 GMT
Who says the delays were the fault of the UWE? the 'deliberate ignoring of deadlines' is a Red Herring. Please don't fall for that nonsense. and your source for this provocative statement Common sense plus my involvement over the years in various business negotiations. IF a deadline was set and not met, then you would expect one of the parties (DS in this case) to at least pick up the phone to find out what the problem was. It may have been something simple, and as this was the most important business decision in the history of this club, you don't expect DS to just simply walk away and use this as an excuse. It's amateurish and not the way you conduct good business.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 4, 2017 14:03:25 GMT
Where in South Bristol would you build it? There's loads of reasons why it wouldn't work. I dont know and its not my job to find out but I was questioning why all sites HAVE to be North Bristol. Even Bath and NE somerset should be looked at. Name some reasons it wouldnt work.. City couldn't find any other sites apart from Ashton Vale. The vitriolic nature of both sets of fans is the main one. Its no different to any other City(apart from the few mentioned)with more than one team. Would Rangers build a stadium in the Gorbals? Man City in Trafford? Arsenal in Haringey? West Ham in Bermondsey? The thought of sharing a stadium is enough to send most fans into a frenzy, so actually building our own in South Bristol wouldn't be plausible IMO.
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Post by james246 on Aug 4, 2017 14:06:16 GMT
The UWE behaved badly by not responding and indeed deliberately choosing to ignore a deadline after all the financing was set up to be in place, and with the expiry date for planning permission looming. As for the AQ family choosing to say nothing they have to be careful because they may still be subject to a confidentiality agreement. The UWE should apologise a least for their poor behaviour, deliberately ignoring your potential partner (at the eleventh hour) in a proposed deal is downright rude. If this country wishes to attract foreign investment then we British need to learn respectful behaviour in negotiations.
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Post by sipirate on Aug 4, 2017 14:08:07 GMT
All of you guys posting negative stuff about our owner, get out of the clubs way, you are the ones holding us back.
I have been nothing short of impressed with Wael and his commitment.
If Wael didn't come in, we would of been bent over backwards by UWE and on a definite downward spiral with the new stadium. Its hilarious that some people would actually prefer we put ourselves in a bad situation just to start building a new stadium that we will make a loss on. WAKE UP.
I am disgusted with the treatment of Wael on here in the last few days, despicable, he has saved our rotting club.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 4, 2017 14:11:55 GMT
All of you guys posting negative stuff about our owner, get out of the clubs way, you are the ones holding us back. I have been nothing short of impressed with Wael and his commitment. If Wael didn't come in, we would of been bent over backwards by UWE and on a definite downward spiral with the new stadium. Its hilarious that some people would actually prefer we put ourselves in a bad situation just to start building a new stadium that we will make a loss on. WAKE UP. I am disgusted with the treatment of Wael on here in the last few days, despicable, he has saved our rotting club. To play devil's advocate - what has he actually done?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 14:20:11 GMT
I dont know and its not my job to find out but I was questioning why all sites HAVE to be North Bristol. Even Bath and NE somerset should be looked at. Name some reasons it wouldnt work.. City couldn't find any other sites apart from Ashton Vale. The vitriolic nature of both sets of fans is the main one. Its no different to any other City(apart from the few mentioned)with more than one team. Would Rangers build a stadium in the Gorbals? Man City in Trafford? Arsenal in Haringey? West Ham in Bermondsey? The thought of sharing a stadium is enough to send most fans into a frenzy, so actually building our own in South Bristol wouldn't be plausible IMO. I'm not talking about individual villages or boroughs within a City, i'm talking about 50% of a major UK city spanning 40 sq miles. Citys project was likely on a bigger scale to what we want therefore their findings would be irrelevant. As for the fans, what difference does that make to the location of a stadium? its not like we will both be at home on the same weekend. They might try burning ours down again but they could do that anywhere. Im not saying we should as I live in north Bristol and that would be more convenient for me personally, but if it means securing the future of the football club then I dont really give a sh** where it is.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 4, 2017 14:22:50 GMT
All of you guys posting negative stuff about our owner, get out of the clubs way, you are the ones holding us back. I have been nothing short of impressed with Wael and his commitment. If Wael didn't come in, we would of been bent over backwards by UWE and on a definite downward spiral with the new stadium. Its hilarious that some people would actually prefer we put ourselves in a bad situation just to start building a new stadium that we will make a loss on. WAKE UP. I am disgusted with the treatment of Wael on here in the last few days, despicable, he has saved our rotting club. To play devil's advocate - what has he actually done? As small as they are, he's improved the rediculously sh** facilities into not as sh** facilities, improved the pitch, kept hold of one of our greatest managers, assembled a backroom staff not seen at this club before and we're signing players both permanently and on loan of the quality we haven't seen for about 20 years. He's done more in 18 months than any of our other owners have done in the last 2 decades.
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