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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 14:25:17 GMT
To play devil's advocate - what has he actually done? As small as they are, he's improved the rediculously sh** facilities into not as sh** facilities, improved the pitch, kept hold of one of our greatest managers, esembled a backroom staff not seen at this club before and we're signing players both permanently and on loan of the quality we haven't seen for about 20 years. He's done more in 18 months than any of our other owners have done in the last 2 decades. General upkeep then.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 4, 2017 14:28:50 GMT
To play devil's advocate - what has he actually done? As small as they are, he's improved the rediculously sh** facilities into not as sh** facilities, improved the pitch, kept hold of one of our greatest managers, esembled a backroom staff not seen at this club before and we're signing players both permanently and on loan of the quality we haven't seen for about 20 years. He's done more in 18 months than any of our other owners have done in the last 2 decades. Not much more really than anyone else might have done. Given a contract to a manager that was already here, signed a few players and staff, mostly loans or free transfers, painted a bar, renewed a pitch that was due to be renewed. Paid for by a charge against the ground, not 'new' money. All fine good, but hardly makes him a saviour.
Our success on the pitch is largely down to one man, Darrell Clarke, who has made silk purses out of sow's ears.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 4, 2017 14:29:20 GMT
As small as they are, he's improved the rediculously sh** facilities into not as sh** facilities, improved the pitch, kept hold of one of our greatest managers, esembled a backroom staff not seen at this club before and we're signing players both permanently and on loan of the quality we haven't seen for about 20 years. He's done more in 18 months than any of our other owners have done in the last 2 decades. General upkeep then. You could say that, but its still far more than our previous people at the helm had/have done.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 4, 2017 14:32:18 GMT
You could say that, but its still far more than our previous people at the helm had/have done. Better better than awful doesn't make him a saviour, and certainly doesn't justify the kind of blind faith that some are imploring.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 4, 2017 14:33:18 GMT
As small as they are, he's improved the rediculously sh** facilities into not as sh** facilities, improved the pitch, kept hold of one of our greatest managers, esembled a backroom staff not seen at this club before and we're signing players both permanently and on loan of the quality we haven't seen for about 20 years. He's done more in 18 months than any of our other owners have done in the last 2 decades. Not much more really than anyone else might have done. Given a contract to a manager that was already here, signed a few players and staff, mostly loans or free transfers, painted a bar, renewed a pitch that was due to be renewed. Paid for by a charge against the ground, not 'new' money. All fine good, but hardly makes him a saviour.
Our success on the pitch is largely down to one man, Darrell Clarke, who has made silk purses out of sow's ears.
Why didnt Dunford/Higgs do it then? To say not more than anybody else would of done is not true, seeing as nobody else did it. I didnt say he was a saviour. No offence but you're talking absolute nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 14:37:18 GMT
You could say that, but its still far more than our previous people at the helm had/have done. I would say acquiring ownership of the Mem in the first place is significantly more than anyone else has done. What else would Wael have to put a charge on otherwise?
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 4, 2017 14:44:58 GMT
You could say that, but its still far more than our previous people at the helm had/have done. I would say acquiring ownership of the Mem in the first place is significantly more than anyone else has done. What else would Wael have to put a charge on otherwise? If you want to put it like that, OK, but pocketing £10M from transfers and not putting any of it back in the Club is what Dunford did. Until Wael took over we didnt even have proper food for the players. FFS. He's only been here 18 months, if you dont think its changed for the better then you're either blind or clearly have a vendetta.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 4, 2017 14:49:36 GMT
I would say acquiring ownership of the Mem in the first place is significantly more than anyone else has done. What else would Wael have to put a charge on otherwise? If you want to put it like that, OK, but pocketing £10M from transfers and not putting any of it back in the Club is what Dunford did. Until Wael took over we didnt even have proper food for the players. FFS. He's only been here 18 months, if you dont think its changed for the better then you're either blind or clearly have a vendetta.Is he Nick Higgs in disguise
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 14:55:00 GMT
Santas grotto says all you need to know about Higgs reign.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 14:58:23 GMT
I would say acquiring ownership of the Mem in the first place is significantly more than anyone else has done. What else would Wael have to put a charge on otherwise? If you want to put it like that, OK, but pocketing £10M from transfers and not putting any of it back in the Club is what Dunford did. Until Wael took over we didnt even have proper food for the players. FFS. He's only been here 18 months, if you dont think its changed for the better then you're either blind or clearly have a vendetta. To say the Dunfords' pocketed £10 m from transfer fees is simply untrue and is potential libelous...watch out for a letter from Geoff's solicitors. Players earn
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 15:02:32 GMT
I would say acquiring ownership of the Mem in the first place is significantly more than anyone else has done. What else would Wael have to put a charge on otherwise? If you want to put it like that, OK, but pocketing £10M from transfers and not putting any of it back in the Club is what Dunford did. Until Wael took over we didnt even have proper food for the players. FFS.He's only been here 18 months, if you dont think its changed for the better then you're either blind or clearly have a vendetta. All low hanging fruit imo. Nothing wrong with that of course but he really needs to deliver the big one
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 4, 2017 15:07:08 GMT
If you want to put it like that, OK, but pocketing £10M from transfers and not putting any of it back in the Club is what Dunford did. Until Wael took over we didnt even have proper food for the players. FFS.He's only been here 18 months, if you dont think its changed for the better then you're either blind or clearly have a vendetta. All low hanging fruit imo. Nothing wrong with that of course but he really needs to deliver the big one Indeed he does, I dont argue with that. But he's improved the club on and off the pitch since the take over. I dont see how anybody can question or deny that?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 15:17:18 GMT
All low hanging fruit imo. Nothing wrong with that of course but he really needs to deliver the big one Indeed he does, I dont argue with that. But he's improved the club on and off the pitch since the take over. I dont see how anybody can question or deny that? He's done the minimum expected of a new rich owner imo. Just my opinion, meals at training, scoreboard/clock, pitch, tents/stands, paintwork all fairly standard low cost hanging fruit. As for on the field DC has worked miracles to get to L1 with very little help from the new owners. This pre season we have barely brought in the quality to match last season having seen our competitors additions. Again just my opinion. Id be more optimistic if I saw something noteworthy happening with the training ground, at least that would show some commitment, alas that seem to have died down as well.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 4, 2017 15:29:26 GMT
If you want to put it like that, OK, but pocketing £10M from transfers and not putting any of it back in the Club is what Dunford did. Until Wael took over we didnt even have proper food for the players. FFS.He's only been here 18 months, if you dont think its changed for the better then you're either blind or clearly have a vendetta. All low hanging fruit imo. Nothing wrong with that of course but he really needs to deliver the big one Probably DC asked for the food? I guess he might have asked NH is the past but he told him we couldn't afford whereas Wael was happy to stick it on the every increasing club debts! At some point we have to stop haemorrhaging money season on season.
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Post by amgas on Aug 4, 2017 18:09:01 GMT
The idea that anyone would be influenced to buy a season ticket for next year for the Mem on the basis we were going to have a new stadium sometime in the future is strange. We have all bought tickets for the Mem, anyone who thought they were buying one for the UWE is seriously confused.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 18:17:43 GMT
The idea that anyone would be influenced to buy a season ticket for next year for the Mem on the basis we were going to have a new stadium sometime in the future is strange. We have all bought tickets for the Mem, anyone who thought they were buying one for the UWE is seriously confused. Some people may have become disillusioned with yet another failure in a bid for a new stadium and may think "whats the point?" in the same way DC may soon realise he has taken us as far as he can and come to the same conclusion. It certainly wont increase ST sales will it? Certainly worth avoiding finding out if it would go the other way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 18:29:10 GMT
Indeed he does, I dont argue with that. But he's improved the club on and off the pitch since the take over. I dont see how anybody can question or deny that? He's done the minimum expected of a new rich owner imo. Just my opinion, meals at training, scoreboard/clock, pitch, tents/stands, paintwork all fairly standard low cost hanging fruit. As for on the field DC has worked miracles to get to L1 with very little help from the new owners. This pre season we have barely brought in the quality to match last season having seen our competitors additions. Again just my opinion. Id be more optimistic if I saw something noteworthy happening with the training ground, at least that would show some commitment, alas that seem to have died down as well. Could you back this up? I wouldn't mind seeing whose done what and how that compares to our signings.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 18:34:07 GMT
Indeed he does, I dont argue with that. But he's improved the club on and off the pitch since the take over. I dont see how anybody can question or deny that? He's done the minimum expected of a new rich owner imo. Just my opinion, meals at training, scoreboard/clock, pitch, tents/stands, paintwork all fairly standard low cost hanging fruit. As for on the field DC has worked miracles to get to L1 with very little help from the new owners. This pre season we have barely brought in the quality to match last season having seen our competitors additions. Again just my opinion. Id be more optimistic if I saw something noteworthy happening with the training ground, at least that would show some commitment, alas that seem to have died down as well. Yes, it's all gone silent on the training ground after the fanfare of a few months ago. Never going to be ready for 2018/19 despite what Hamer told us a few months back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 19:18:29 GMT
He's done the minimum expected of a new rich owner imo. Just my opinion, meals at training, scoreboard/clock, pitch, tents/stands, paintwork all fairly standard low cost hanging fruit. As for on the field DC has worked miracles to get to L1 with very little help from the new owners. This pre season we have barely brought in the quality to match last season having seen our competitors additions. Again just my opinion. Id be more optimistic if I saw something noteworthy happening with the training ground, at least that would show some commitment, alas that seem to have died down as well. Yes, it's all gone silent on the training ground after the fanfare of a few months ago. Never going to be ready for 2018/19 despite what Hamer told us a few months back. Have we even paid for the fencing around the training ground yet?
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Post by thegasfc on Aug 4, 2017 22:05:48 GMT
Great, a Mem thread turns into effectively another "Wheres the money Wael?" thread. Ngl, I dont know why he hasnt left yet with the state of the club & some fans.
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