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Post by Marshy on Aug 9, 2017 11:43:27 GMT
That will be the tree hugging lesbians again then? Pictures, or it ain't real. It looks like you've got me licked again Nobby!
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 9, 2017 11:47:29 GMT
The problems being listed on this thread are probably similar to those already already come across by GD/NH in the past hence why moving to the UWE became the favoured option, i wonder if Wael has ever spoken to them about the issues involved in developing the Mem?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 11:56:14 GMT
Pictures, or it ain't real. It looks like you've got me licked again Nobby! Ugh....I've just brought up a little bit of sick.
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Post by northseagas on Aug 9, 2017 13:02:49 GMT
If you had a choice what current stadium design Would you chose ?
Personally I would like to see something like Plymouth argyle's place but built to hold around 20,000 . A continuous stand around the pitch . Nothing to high , as it won't upset the local lady gardens and it could be built progressively so we don't have to ground share .
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Post by Marshy on Aug 9, 2017 13:06:01 GMT
Piecemeal or flatten is this thread referring to North Korea?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 13:14:08 GMT
The problems being listed on this thread are probably similar to those already already come across by GD/NH in the past hence why moving to the UWE became the favoured option, i wonder if Wael has ever spoken to them about the issues involved in developing the Mem? Yes, it might have been a good idea foe Wael to have spoken to them just to help get understanding of past problems and why GD is sure that redeveloping the Mem does not make financial sense. Probably not very wise for Wael to commit to redeveloping the plans before there has even been a feasibility study to see what is possible and whether the finances add up. I'll be very surprised to see any substantive plan this year.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Aug 9, 2017 13:42:57 GMT
this is my forum missed 2 games last season the AQ'S are thinking of changing are name did you know that henbury. What are they changing "are" name to out of interest?
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Post by gaslife on Aug 9, 2017 13:43:52 GMT
Knock down the Mem and build a completely new stadium? It ain't going to happen. Far too expensive, and the revenue streams just won't be there to justify the cost. A bit by bit revamp is far more likely, but it'll end-up as still a shithole. Get used to playing in Div 1, with an odd season or two in the Championship (if we're lucky). The football club is going nowhere if we stay at the Mem. If DC does well this season, then he'll be off......well, I think he'll be off no matter what happens. Don't forget, in his view the infrastructure of the club is twenty years behind the rest! Depressing. The Al-Qadi's seem to be buying some time by pacifying the gullible fans with the latest 're-develop the Mem' idea. An idea that they previously rejected as being unfeasible. Wael should not hide behind 'confidentiality agreements' now that the UWE deal is officially dead. We have waited 6 years for the UWE, just to pull out last minute without adequate explanation is insulting to the fans' loyalty and patience. The Al-Qadi's may have certain 'red lines' regarding leasehold/freehold and other elements that are unpalatable to them, but to many fans (and some ex-Directors?) the idea of a Rovers-UWE-SouthGlos joint project was acceptable and offered the best way forward. By all accounts, the UWE deal was on the table ready to sign. I for one am not satisfied with Wael's explanations so far and extremely sceptical about the latest change of plans, which I think will not be fulfilled for many well documented reasons. It wont happen of course, but theoretically it would be interesting for UWE to publish their rejected contract to see if another consortium would find it a feasible proposition. If so, would the Al-Qadis step aside?
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Post by philbemmygas on Aug 9, 2017 13:49:37 GMT
Knock down the Mem and build a completely new stadium? It ain't going to happen. Far too expensive, and the revenue streams just won't be there to justify the cost. A bit by bit revamp is far more likely, but it'll end-up as still a shithole. Get used to playing in Div 1, with an odd season or two in the Championship (if we're lucky). The football club is going nowhere if we stay at the Mem. If DC does well this season, then he'll be off......well, I think he'll be off no matter what happens. Don't forget, in his view the infrastructure of the club is twenty years behind the rest! Depressing. The Al-Qadi's seem to be buying some time by pacifying the gullible fans with the latest 're-develop the Mem' idea. An idea that they previously rejected as being unfeasible. Wael should not hide behind 'confidentiality agreements' now that the UWE deal is officially dead. We have waited 6 years for the UWE, just to pull out last minute without adequate explanation is insulting to the fans' loyalty and patience. The Al-Qadi's may have certain 'red lines' regarding leasehold/freehold and other elements that are unpalatable to them, but to many fans (and some ex-Directors?) the idea of a Rovers-UWE-SouthGlos joint project was acceptable and offered the best way forward. By all accounts, the UWE deal was on the table ready to sign. I for one am not satisfied with Wael's explanations so far and extremely sceptical about the latest change of plans, which I think will not be fulfilled for many well documented reasons. It wont happen of course, but theoretically it would be interesting for UWE to publish their rejected contract to see if another consortium would find it a feasible proposition. If so, would the Al-Qadis step aside? As a matter of interest; are you inferring there is another consortium waiting in the wings? Or is it just pure conjecture based on no actual information? Not attacking you my friend; just interested in understanding the angle you are approaching this matter.
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Post by pucklegas on Aug 9, 2017 13:52:06 GMT
The problems being listed on this thread are probably similar to those already already come across by GD/NH in the past hence why moving to the UWE became the favoured option, i wonder if Wael has ever spoken to them about the issues involved in developing the Mem? Seems like we are going around in circles, how is that a lovely plot of land now, where will everybody park? Can't wait to see the Bay city Rollers there! Celebrating their new number one. In T bones words, clueless.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 14:01:45 GMT
In answer to the original question.
Flatten. and piecemeal.
Total rebuild in one swoop will mean two to three seasons away from the mem. DC will leave. Piecemeal will be more expensive and messy and have severely limited crowds at times.
Both...as in first summer demolish everything. first season play at Swindon and build largest stand relay pitch/drainage/undersoil heating etc. second summer erect temporary stands (more tents ! )and facilities. second season move back to MEM. continue building (as they did at ashton gate)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 14:08:27 GMT
In answer to the original question. Flatten. and piecemeal. Total rebuild in one swoop will mean two to three seasons away from the mem. DC will leave. Piecemeal will be more expensive and messy and have severely limited crowds at times. Both...as in first summer demolish everything. first season play at Swindon and build largest stand relay pitch/drainage/undersoil heating etc. second summer erect temporary stands (more tents ! )and facilities. second season move back to MEM. continue building (as they did at ashton gate) " Wael, here's another nice mess you've gotten us into." as Oliver Hardy would say.
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Post by toddy1953 on Aug 9, 2017 15:00:06 GMT
Thing for me is that people are comparing the size of other grounds & redevelopments with the Mem & suggesting how we can do this, which is fine & I would hope Wael's experts already have this underway, but what about the infrastructure around the ground? It can't cope with 7000 fans let alone 17000. Whatever decision is made on this it's going to be very costly. We can't sell the Mem to offset costs, there will be added costs to locating on a temp basis during build so I think to fully rebuild (which is the assumption) its going to cost a lot more initially, than UWE. Add in a return for investors, will we be paying more to watch games at the Mem, than what was envisaged at UWE Out of interest how much did it cost to refurbish AG? I know they have more seats.
PS Those worrying about ground share at AG, don't. Lansdown, will never let that happen, he may offer us use of his UWE stadium for a season tho 😳😳
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 9, 2017 15:11:29 GMT
In answer to the original question. Flatten. and piecemeal. Total rebuild in one swoop will mean two to three seasons away from the mem. DC will leave. Piecemeal will be more expensive and messy and have severely limited crowds at times. Both...as in first summer demolish everything. first season play at Swindon and build largest stand relay pitch/drainage/undersoil heating etc. second summer erect temporary stands (more tents ! )and facilities. second season move back to MEM. continue building (as they did at ashton gate) " Wael, here's another nice mess you've gotten us into." as Oliver Hardy would say. If Oliver Hardy were Nick Higgs and Hardy had actually got us into the mess.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 9, 2017 15:14:25 GMT
Out of interest how much did it cost to refurbish AG? I know they have more seats. PS Those worrying about ground share at AG, don't. Lansdown, will never let that happen, he may offer us use of his UWE stadium for a season tho 😳😳 I think it cost circa £40M
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Post by toddy1953 on Aug 9, 2017 15:23:27 GMT
Out of interest how much did it cost to refurbish AG? I know they have more seats. PS Those worrying about ground share at AG, don't. Lansdown, will never let that happen, he may offer us use of his UWE stadium for a season tho 😳😳 I think it cost circa £40M Thanks
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Post by Nortongashead on Aug 9, 2017 15:53:23 GMT
If we are going with gradual re-generation with pitch staying in same position (just spent 100K), I would like to see the south stand developed to full pitch dimensions and incorporating the south west stand as well joining west terrace. Similar to Wokings stand which was quite steep but had a concourse. This would house limited away fans and an increased number of re-housed home fans from Dribuild / east terrace. Next phase would see dribuild / east terrace stand developed with hotel, conference rooms and casino ect. This stand would be the money maker and to a very large scale. Next phase would be blackthorn end which would be dedicated safe standing and adjoining east stand but maybe to same scale as south stand. Next phase west enclosure which would join up south west and blackthorn. So effectively a three sided stadium with same dimensions and a much larger stand which would no doubt eat up some car park. Whole ground would have a concourse all away around. Just my thoughts on how to polish a turd and remain at the stadium rather than moving out. www.wokingfc.co.uk/img/history/kingfield/kingfield-lgs-3.jpg
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 9, 2017 16:10:57 GMT
If we are going with gradual re-generation with pitch staying in same position (just spent 100K), I would like to see the south stand developed to full pitch dimensions and incorporating the south west stand as well joining west terrace. Similar to Wokings stand which was quite steep but had a concourse. This would house limited away fans and an increased number of re-housed home fans from Dribuild / east terrace. Next phase would see dribuild / east terrace stand developed with hotel, conference rooms and casino ect. This stand would be the money maker and to a very large scale. Next phase would be blackthorn end which would be dedicated safe standing and adjoining east stand but maybe to same scale as south stand. Next phase west enclosure which would join up south west and blackthorn. So effectively a three sided stadium with same dimensions and a much larger stand which would no doubt eat up some car park. Whole ground would have a concourse all away around. Just my thoughts on how to polish a turd and remain at the stadium rather than moving out. www.wokingfc.co.uk/img/history/kingfield/kingfield-lgs-3.jpgGiven we can't apparently even increase the South Stand tent to the full width of the pitch due to blocking out residents light, then how are we going to get pp for a full blown stand? Likewise why build a casino when it has to close by 11pm to meet licensing laws? Perhaps these issues can be overcome but it sounds like Wael hasn't considered any of them before now deciding to remain at the Mem. I wonder if the B Post or Radio Bristol have approached the UWE for there take on Wael's interview, if so, whether they've declined the invite?
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Post by peterparker on Aug 9, 2017 16:15:46 GMT
Knock down the Mem and build a completely new stadium? It ain't going to happen. Far too expensive, and the revenue streams just won't be there to justify the cost. A bit by bit revamp is far more likely, but it'll end-up as still a shithole. Get used to playing in Div 1, with an odd season or two in the Championship (if we're lucky). The football club is going nowhere if we stay at the Mem. If DC does well this season, then he'll be off......well, I think he'll be off no matter what happens. Don't forget, in his view the infrastructure of the club is twenty years behind the rest! Depressing. The Al-Qadi's seem to be buying some time by pacifying the gullible fans with the latest 're-develop the Mem' idea. An idea that they previously rejected as being unfeasible. Wael should not hide behind 'confidentiality agreements' now that the UWE deal is officially dead. We have waited 6 years for the UWE, just to pull out last minute without adequate explanation is insulting to the fans' loyalty and patience. The Al-Qadi's may have certain 'red lines' regarding leasehold/freehold and other elements that are unpalatable to them, but to many fans (and some ex-Directors?) the idea of a Rovers-UWE-SouthGlos joint project was acceptable and offered the best way forward. By all accounts, the UWE deal was on the table ready to sign. I for one am not satisfied with Wael's explanations so far and extremely sceptical about the latest change of plans, which I think will not be fulfilled for many well documented reasons. It wont happen of course, but theoretically it would be interesting for UWE to publish their rejected contract to see if another consortium would find it a feasible proposition. If so, would the Al-Qadis step aside? Why not ask UWE what the problems were. If they still want perhaps they would enlighten us as to how accommodating they were being. Why is everything on the Al-Qadi's?
I am not saying there are questions for them to answer, but there is so much finger pointing at them everyone is ignoring the other side and allowing them to get away scot free. Why are no questions being asked of UWE in all this?
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Post by hometobarnsley on Aug 9, 2017 16:33:15 GMT
If we are going with gradual re-generation with pitch staying in same position (just spent 100K), I would like to see the south stand developed to full pitch dimensions and incorporating the south west stand as well joining west terrace. Similar to Wokings stand which was quite steep but had a concourse. This would house limited away fans and an increased number of re-housed home fans from Dribuild / east terrace. Next phase would see dribuild / east terrace stand developed with hotel, conference rooms and casino ect. This stand would be the money maker and to a very large scale. Next phase would be blackthorn end which would be dedicated safe standing and adjoining east stand but maybe to same scale as south stand. Next phase west enclosure which would join up south west and blackthorn. So effectively a three sided stadium with same dimensions and a much larger stand which would no doubt eat up some car park. Whole ground would have a concourse all away around. Just my thoughts on how to polish a turd and remain at the stadium rather than moving out. www.wokingfc.co.uk/img/history/kingfield/kingfield-lgs-3.jpgGiven we can't apparently even increase the South Stand tent to the full width of the pitch due to blocking out residents light, then how are we going to get pp for a full blown stand? Likewise why build a casino when it has to close by 11pm to meet licensing laws? Perhaps these issues can be overcome but it sounds like Wael hasn't considered any of them before now deciding to remain at the Mem. I wonder if the B Post or Radio Bristol have approached the UWE for there take on Wael's interview, if so, whether they've declined the invite? The previous scheme with the student flats had planning permission for a 'full blown stand' at the South end.
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