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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 14, 2017 11:37:33 GMT
I think you can be unintentionally racist or at the very least use racist terms due to ignorance. It's very hard to keep up with what's acceptable these days. Black Brown Coloured Ethnic I'm not even sure myself but I think at least one if not all four of the above would be considered inappropriate. People are walking on eggshells, frightened of saying anything incase they are labelled racist/homophobic/sexist etc. The use of language itself may not be racist if there was no intent to actually discriminate despite being labelled as such. Dont think that's the issue here, but just saying PC doesn't always mean right. I find this post particularly worrying. if you seriously cannot work out which words in your list are acceptable and which are not then I think we are doomed! I can. I was trying to highlight the issue that 'The PC brigade' don't always help themselves. The outlawing of some words and phrases is all well and good but little to nothing seems to be done about actually changing people's views. I know older members of my family who are sexist, racist and homophobic. They know better than to use certain terms in public but have done f**k all to alter their views or misguided prejudice. This sort of discussion must be had in public otherwise nothing changes.
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Post by LJG on Aug 14, 2017 11:39:10 GMT
I heard it at Charlton. Unbelievable really. And all the mealy mother excuses for this stuff is just as unbelievable. I am not walking on eggshells at all. Anyone who refers to me in foul language about my colour, race or creed is a racist, pure and simple. To me personally or anyone else.Accusing others of PC madness is just an excuse. As is the charge made at authorities for not chasing down, naming and shaming paedophiles, its not PC, its incompetence. I really didn't want to get drawn on this one but I'm going to have to disagree on your last point. To call the level of covering up of the abuses suffered and shutting down of the voices of those victims incompetence is to absolve a great many people of serious wrong doing on, what I'm sure will become, a criminal level and robs the victims of those further wrongs (on top of the abuses they've suffered) of a legitimate grievance against those who did the covering and quieting. They were actively wrong not passively incompetent.
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Post by Baxtinho on Aug 14, 2017 11:40:03 GMT
If you genuinely can't see what the problem with calling someone a "Paki" is, I have no interest in continuing this line of conversation. Well you've labelled me pig-headed (which I have taken offense to) yet you haven't really given me an argument in your favour. I've told you that I'm unsure of what the problem is and invited you to educate me. Is it because people have used it in a derogatory manner in the past as tommym9 said? You obviously think I'm trying to be funny or offensive and I'm genuinely not. Maybe I'm just young and naive. I've only ever lived in a time where this country has a lot of different ethnicities and any form of racism is deemed totally unacceptable and I completely support that. However, I also think there are a lot of double standards with this sort of thing and I hear people being labelled "racists" when I personally haven't heard them say anything that is actually offensive. Just because it isn't offensive in your eyes, doesn't mean that it isn't to someone who's of a different ethnicity. I don't buy the accidental racism/double standards excuse either, you don't need to be old or particularly intelligent to know right from wrong. An argument in my "favour" would simply be that you can't use ethnic slurs at all - let alone at football, and you shouldn't condone some of the idiots on here behaving like racist wankers from the 1970's where you could say coloured on tv ffs.
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Post by philbemmygas on Aug 14, 2017 11:40:10 GMT
I can see this thread going well. Anyone know what the vegan option was on Saturday? Always being told the pasties are devoid of meat; is that a vegan option?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 14, 2017 11:42:28 GMT
Gosh, pirate posting white supremacist propaganda again. You're so edgy. Interesting that you think the idea of an ethnically pure state is a good one. That's pretty much the definition of white supremacist.
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Post by Baxtinho on Aug 14, 2017 11:43:16 GMT
Haha good one. Ha Ha Ha ..........Explain the YOU, then ? In the hypothetical scenario you imagined, where your neighbour was "of colour" (which is a ridiculous way of putting it btw), I suggested that if you had a problem with someone and they were of another race/creed/nationality or so on - it was be your problem. Not his, or mine, but yours. Hope this helps.
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Post by scoobydoogas on Aug 14, 2017 11:44:37 GMT
I'll try and shag your leg, whatever colour you are. You just need to have at least one leg :-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 11:44:43 GMT
The whole world is going p c mad I dislike the guy next door, I have told him so and any one that asks is told the same, not one person is really bothered about this. If the guy was " of colour " shall we say, I would be called a racist. Funny old world ain't it ? That is PC mad. Thats not true though. Its only racist if you bring his colour into it when you tell him and anyone that asks. Its not rocket science is it?
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Post by philbemmygas on Aug 14, 2017 11:47:09 GMT
I find this post particularly worrying. if you seriously cannot work out which words in your list are acceptable and which are not then I think we are doomed! I can. I was trying to highlight the issue that 'The PC brigade' don't always help themselves. The outlawing of some words and phrases is all well and good but little to nothing seems to be done about actually changing people's views. I know older members of my family who are sexist, racist and homophobic. They know better than to use certain terms in public but have done f**k all to alter their views or misguided prejudice. This sort of discussion must be had in public otherwise nothing changes. Hugo Agree on the elderly members of my family (growing fewer in number) are much the same. There is no excuse to use the sort of terms being alluded to in the onging arguement/discussion.
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Post by pirate on Aug 14, 2017 11:47:33 GMT
Any dissemination of the information you are posting or just quoting other people's thoughts? Just quoting other people's thoughts. Attachment Deleted
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Aug 14, 2017 11:48:34 GMT
I dislike the guy next door, I have told him so and any one that asks is told the same, not one person is really bothered about this. If the guy was " of colour " shall we say, I would be called a racist. Funny old world ain't it ? That is PC mad. Thats not true though. Its only racist if you bring his colour into it when you tell him and anyone that asks. Its not rocket science is it? Quite right. The fact that this chap seems to be completely serious with analogy is alarming to say the least.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 14, 2017 11:49:06 GMT
Any dissemination of the information you are posting or just quoting other people's thoughts? The idea is plainly to post the supposedly more extreme and out of context anti-white statements into scaring white people into thinking they are at risk, in order to achieve some sort of pro-white, or anti-minority reaction. What pirate doesn't get is that extremists on both sides are two sides of the same coin, and rely on each other and feed off each other. Their enemy is the moderate and the reasonable.
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Post by pirate on Aug 14, 2017 11:49:13 GMT
Interesting that you think the idea of an ethnically pure state is a good one. That's pretty much the definition of white supremacist. I haven't said that.
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 14, 2017 11:50:59 GMT
Ha Ha Ha ..........Explain the YOU, then ? In the hypothetical scenario you imagined, where your neighbour was "of colour" (which is a ridiculous way of putting it btw), I suggested that if you had a problem with someone and they were of another race/creed/nationality or so on - it was be your problem. Not his, or mine, but yours. Hope this helps. See Hugo's post. This does not help one bit, because if I pointed out the black guy next door and said to you,' I can't stand that bloke' you would say I was racist. You seem to be one of the people that likes to be offended for others, Am I right ?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 14, 2017 11:51:58 GMT
Well you've labelled me pig-headed (which I have taken offense to) yet you haven't really given me an argument in your favour. I've told you that I'm unsure of what the problem is and invited you to educate me. Is it because people have used it in a derogatory manner in the past as tommym9 said? You obviously think I'm trying to be funny or offensive and I'm genuinely not. Maybe I'm just young and naive. I've only ever lived in a time where this country has a lot of different ethnicities and any form of racism is deemed totally unacceptable and I completely support that. However, I also think there are a lot of double standards with this sort of thing and I hear people being labelled "racists" when I personally haven't heard them say anything that is actually offensive. Just because it isn't offensive in your eyes, doesn't mean that it isn't to someone who's of a different ethnicity. I don't buy the accidental racism/double standards excuse either, you don't need to be old or particularly intelligent to know right from wrong. An argument in my "favour" would simply be that you can't use ethnic slurs at all - let alone at football, and you shouldn't condone some of the idiots on here behaving like racist wankers from the 1970's where you could say coloured on tv ffs. I know what is deemed right or wrong but I sometimes don't understand why, that is what I'm trying to say. And I haven't once supported or condoned any idiot making racist comments at the game. I have actually agreed all the way through my posts that it's completely unacceptable and I hope that they get a lifetime ban. If anything I have said has offended you then I apologise but all my posts are as a matter of debate and intended in a completely innocent manner.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 14, 2017 11:52:25 GMT
Interesting that you think the idea of an ethnically pure state is a good one. That's pretty much the definition of white supremacist. I haven't said that. Of course not. You don't have the guts. You haven't said anything. You've just posted out of context crap from white supremacist sites. It would be kinda creepy if it weren't so pathetic and cowardly.
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 14, 2017 11:52:55 GMT
I dislike the guy next door, I have told him so and any one that asks is told the same, not one person is really bothered about this. If the guy was " of colour " shall we say, I would be called a racist. Funny old world ain't it ? That is PC mad. Thats not true though. Its only racist if you bring his colour into it when you tell him and anyone that asks. Its not rocket science is it? Really, people like the ones that like to be offended for others would call me racist because the guy was black, they would not bother to ask why I disliked him. Now, that is not rocket science either, is it ?
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Post by baggins on Aug 14, 2017 11:53:00 GMT
This is in real danger of getting very out of hand.
Mods, suggest you lock this thread.
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Post by Baxtinho on Aug 14, 2017 11:54:42 GMT
Just because it isn't offensive in your eyes, doesn't mean that it isn't to someone who's of a different ethnicity. I don't buy the accidental racism/double standards excuse either, you don't need to be old or particularly intelligent to know right from wrong. An argument in my "favour" would simply be that you can't use ethnic slurs at all - let alone at football, and you shouldn't condone some of the idiots on here behaving like racist wankers from the 1970's where you could say coloured on tv ffs. I know what is deemed right or wrong but I sometimes don't understand why, that is what I'm trying to say. And I haven't once supported or condoned any idiot making racist comments at the game. I have actually agreed all the way through my posts that it's completely unacceptable and I hope that they get a lifetime ban. If anything I have said has offended you then I apologise but all my posts are as a matter of debate and intended in a completely innocent manner. I understand, I'm sad to be part of a fanbase which has racist idiots in its number, but I now realise you're on the same side. Didn't mean any offense either.
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 14, 2017 11:55:42 GMT
Thats not true though. Its only racist if you bring his colour into it when you tell him and anyone that asks. Its not rocket science is it? Quite right. The fact that this chap seems to be completely serious with analogy is alarming to say the least. What is alarming is that you use a hardly used name to type this, when you hide from your normal posting name.
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