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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 11, 2017 14:36:48 GMT
Met SH the day after the takeover when him and Wael came around the boxes shaking everyone's hands ? Wael came across as very genuine but SH was overheard speaking to Ian Holtby saying " thank god that's over " as if to say did I really have to do that ! I think they are trying to buy time whilst trying to find a buyer for the club ? Doesn't make make sense about the training ground what could have changed that much to warrant resubmitting the plans ? Re the training ground... you need to do some research into the background of the purchase.
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Post by singupgas on Sept 11, 2017 14:43:38 GMT
There we go then... i would like to think we are forcing this through as fast as possible.
Get specialist architects in, measure the land, come up with a few designs that meet the requirements within limitations of the site.... i know easier said than done.
Regards Brentford Scenario, they are surrounded by much bigger successful premiership clubs in London, so hard to compete and you could understand reducing capacity. Our only rival for support is the sh**. I wouldn't like to think we sold ourselves short for potential - if we could squeeze Brentfords original 20K design (with capability to expand) i would be delighted.
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Post by toddy1953 on Sept 11, 2017 14:52:29 GMT
No news here for me, just same old SH waffle. The man is full of clichés & has no substance to anything he says. As Pirate says someone's telling porkies- it's probably 6 of one & half a dozen of the other. The message we are giving out is not consistent, if the deal was THAT bad for the club, why all the optimism right to the end? I think that if WAQ or SH are not going to say anything else other that dealing with UWE was a pain in the arse & it didn't go ahead due to it not being right for the club, then it's best for them to stop discussing it with the press & spend the time putting substance to the Mem rebuild, or is it regeneration? Something stinks with the whole UWE thing, but if we are not doing it then so be it. Both parties need to issue a joint statement, on the failure & move on The only bit of the article that has any believability for me, is that any regeneration of the Mem is going to be a long process.
I'll continue to support the team at the Mem, Mr Hamer, warts and all, I just can't help feeling really disappointed that the one real opportunity in over 30 years to take the club to the next level has slipped away & angry that those in charge have dealt with the aftermath in such an amateurish way - I have said it before, but if this was on NH's or GD's watch, there would be uproar on here & dare I say on match days too. I think that WAQ's likeability as a person & the fact he took over the club at the right time for us has given him an easy ride & I'm glad as I really warm to the guy.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 11, 2017 15:00:05 GMT
If this is the new "new ground" thread god help us. Still gives us something to talk about before tomorrow night!😀 UTG!
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Post by oldgas on Sept 11, 2017 15:09:43 GMT
I sincerely hope they have started talks with the local residents, with them on board the PP process will be much easier! There's absolutely no point in trying to talk to the residents. Most of them will be pretty ambivalent I suspect. This will be hijacked by the usual suspects, the loony left brigade in the form of Carstairs, the Radice bitch, that awful stuttering woman from the Sainburys JR, and every other left-wing lunatic , and there are hundreds of them lurking under stones all around Bristol, will unite and attempt to shout this down. It really doesn't bear thinking about. I hope Wael knows what he's letting himself in for.
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Post by oldgas on Sept 11, 2017 15:15:27 GMT
No news here for me, just same old SH waffle. The man is full of clichés & has no substance to anything he says. As Pirate says someone's telling porkies- it's probably 6 of one & half a dozen of the other. The message we are giving out is not consistent, if the deal was THAT bad for the club, why all the optimism right to the end? I think that if WAQ or SH are not going to say anything else other that dealing with UWE was a pain in the arse & it didn't go ahead due to it not being right for the club, then it's best for them to stop discussing it with the press & spend the time putting substance to the Mem rebuild, or is it regeneration? Something stinks with the whole UWE thing, but if we are not doing it then so be it. Both parties need to issue a joint statement, on the failure & move on The only bit of the article that has any believability for me, is that any regeneration of the Mem is going to be a long process. I'll continue to support the team at the Mem, Mr Hamer, warts and all, I just can't help feeling really disappointed that the one real opportunity in over 30 years to take the club to the next level has slipped away & angry that those in charge have dealt with the aftermath in such an amateurish way - I have said it before, but if this was on NH's or GD's watch, there would be uproar on here & dare I say on match days too. I think that WAQ's likeability as a person & the fact he took over the club at the right time for us has given him an easy ride & I'm glad as I really warm to the guy. You're right Toddy. The blokes so full of sh1t he needs his own sewage farm to dispose of the methane. I suppose he could be of use as a last resort, a bit like a tactical nuclear weapon. Wael could release him at the end of one of the no-doubt many open meetings to blather and bullshit for several hours. I can imagine the protagonists would just give up and f@ck off home!
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Post by tommym9 on Sept 11, 2017 15:27:14 GMT
I sincerely hope they have started talks with the local residents, with them on board the PP process will be much easier! There's absolutely no point in trying to talk to the residents. Most of them will be pretty ambivalent I suspect. This will be hijacked by the usual suspects, the loony left brigade in the form of Carstairs, the Radice bitch, that awful stuttering woman from the Sainburys JR, and every other left-wing lunatic , and there are hundreds of them lurking under stones all around Bristol, will unite and attempt to shout this down. It really doesn't bear thinking about. I hope Wael knows what he's letting himself in for. I think most residents are normal reasonable people. You're going to get the odd one that is completely against the re-development, but most will be fine I reckon. The best thing the club can do is keep them informed. I know a couple of local residents and they really don't mind what happens at the mem as long as it doesn't cause a huge issue for them (like 6am deliveries for example). Generalisations and insults about the left aside, I think people are more than within their rights to protest if something is not right (we've seen both sides protesting this weekend alone). I would be up in arms if the site across from my house was going to be receiving huge lorries of deliveries early in the morning when I'm trying to sleep. We live in a democracy and so everyone has the right to make their voice heard. Lets hope the club can accommodate the local residents concerns long before they feel the need to protest.
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Post by oldgas on Sept 11, 2017 15:34:07 GMT
Who were the main prognosis of Horfield ROSE?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 11, 2017 15:35:25 GMT
Generalisations and insults about the left aside, I think people are more than within their rights to protest if something is not right (we've seen both sides protesting this weekend alone). I would be up in arms if the site across from my house was going to be receiving huge lorries of deliveries early in the morning when I'm trying to sleep. But if you moved opposite a stadium, you'd probably look a bit less reasonable if you started protesting about people using it as a stadium. People were protesting around the Mem the day they announced Rovers would be moving there. They were happy to have rugby fans using the stadium, but they protested having football fans using it. That's how reasonable some of the locals are.
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Post by asomodai on Sept 11, 2017 15:35:42 GMT
I sincerely hope they have started talks with the local residents, with them on board the PP process will be much easier! There's absolutely no point in trying to talk to the residents. Most of them will be pretty ambivalent I suspect. This will be hijacked by the usual suspects, the loony left brigade in the form of Carstairs, the Radice bitch, that awful stuttering woman from the Sainburys JR, and every other left-wing lunatic , and there are hundreds of them lurking under stones all around Bristol, will unite and attempt to shout this down. It really doesn't bear thinking about. I hope Wael knows what he's letting himself in for. Wow. Gross generalization there. NIMBYS cross the entire political spectrum.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 11, 2017 15:42:39 GMT
Corbyn's Britain.!
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Post by knowall on Sept 11, 2017 15:48:35 GMT
Met SH the day after the takeover when him and Wael came around the boxes shaking everyone's hands ? Wael came across as very genuine but SH was overheard speaking to Ian Holtby saying " thank god that's over " as if to say did I really have to do that ! I think they are trying to buy time whilst trying to find a buyer for the club ? Doesn't make make sense about the training ground what could have changed that much to warrant resubmitting the plans ? why would SH want the Club sold? he would lose his job
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Post by tommym9 on Sept 11, 2017 16:00:35 GMT
Generalisations and insults about the left aside, I think people are more than within their rights to protest if something is not right (we've seen both sides protesting this weekend alone). I would be up in arms if the site across from my house was going to be receiving huge lorries of deliveries early in the morning when I'm trying to sleep. But if you moved opposite a stadium, you'd probably look a bit less reasonable if you started protesting about people using it as a stadium. People were protesting around the Mem the day they announced Rovers would be moving there. They were happy to have rugby fans using the stadium, but they protested having football fans using it. That's how reasonable some of the locals are. Oh yeah I can't see how anyone can complain about the mem being used as a stadium. Especially with improved bus services round the area (hopefully) to boot. But there will be someone, guaranteed!
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Post by toddy1953 on Sept 11, 2017 16:05:44 GMT
There's absolutely no point in trying to talk to the residents. Most of them will be pretty ambivalent I suspect. This will be hijacked by the usual suspects, the loony left brigade in the form of Carstairs, the Radice bitch, that awful stuttering woman from the Sainburys JR, and every other left-wing lunatic , and there are hundreds of them lurking under stones all around Bristol, will unite and attempt to shout this down. It really doesn't bear thinking about. I hope Wael knows what he's letting himself in for. I think most residents are normal reasonable people. You're going to get the odd one that is completely against the re-development, but most will be fine I reckon. The best thing the club can do is keep them informed. I know a couple of local residents and they really don't mind what happens at the mem as long as it doesn't cause a huge issue for them (like 6am deliveries for example). Generalisations and insults about the left aside, I think people are more than within their rights to protest if something is not right (we've seen both sides protesting this weekend alone). I would be up in arms if the site across from my house was going to be receiving huge lorries of deliveries early in the morning when I'm trying to sleep. We live in a democracy and so everyone has the right to make their voice heard. Lets hope the club can accommodate the local residents concerns long before they feel the need to protest. True, but any approval for any plans is surely a couple of years in the future & it will only take a small group, to whip up a storm of protest, complain about every step in order to eek it out the process even more & cause us financial issues. As far as we know, no plans are even drawn up yet. If we are going for a full rebuild, I can't see building starting before 4/5 years - further 2 years for the build. The books are likely to show another £10-£15m losses in that time, unless we unearth a gem or two from our development squad or we go up to the championship- but it will cost us more than we get for that to remain there.
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Post by knowall on Sept 11, 2017 16:16:48 GMT
I think most residents are normal reasonable people. You're going to get the odd one that is completely against the re-development, but most will be fine I reckon. The best thing the club can do is keep them informed. I know a couple of local residents and they really don't mind what happens at the mem as long as it doesn't cause a huge issue for them (like 6am deliveries for example). Generalisations and insults about the left aside, I think people are more than within their rights to protest if something is not right (we've seen both sides protesting this weekend alone). I would be up in arms if the site across from my house was going to be receiving huge lorries of deliveries early in the morning when I'm trying to sleep. We live in a democracy and so everyone has the right to make their voice heard. Lets hope the club can accommodate the local residents concerns long before they feel the need to protest. True, but any approval for any plans is surely a couple of years in the future & it will only take a small group, to whip up a storm of protest, complain about every step in order to eek it out the process even more & cause us financial issues. As far as we know, no plans are even drawn up yet. If we are going for a full rebuild, I can't see building starting before 4/5 years - further 2 years for the build. The books are likely to show another £10-£15m losses in that time, unless we unearth a gem or two from our development squad or we go up to the championship- but it will cost us more than we get for that to remain there. You are quite hopeful then?
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Post by tommym9 on Sept 11, 2017 16:29:21 GMT
I think most residents are normal reasonable people. You're going to get the odd one that is completely against the re-development, but most will be fine I reckon. The best thing the club can do is keep them informed. I know a couple of local residents and they really don't mind what happens at the mem as long as it doesn't cause a huge issue for them (like 6am deliveries for example). Generalisations and insults about the left aside, I think people are more than within their rights to protest if something is not right (we've seen both sides protesting this weekend alone). I would be up in arms if the site across from my house was going to be receiving huge lorries of deliveries early in the morning when I'm trying to sleep. We live in a democracy and so everyone has the right to make their voice heard. Lets hope the club can accommodate the local residents concerns long before they feel the need to protest. True, but any approval for any plans is surely a couple of years in the future & it will only take a small group, to whip up a storm of protest, complain about every step in order to eek it out the process even more & cause us financial issues. As far as we know, no plans are even drawn up yet. If we are going for a full rebuild, I can't see building starting before 4/5 years - further 2 years for the build. The books are likely to show another £10-£15m losses in that time, unless we unearth a gem or two from our development squad or we go up to the championship- but it will cost us more than we get for that to remain there. I agree on the timescales. Its going to be a good while until we even see plans. I also agree about it not taking a lot to delay the build if residents protest. Thats why I'm hoping the club can do everything they can to accommodate residents concerns before it gets to the protest stage.
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Post by beaver132 on Sept 11, 2017 16:34:08 GMT
As and when the protests start about the regeneration of the Mem, let's hope we have a massive publicity campaign. It could begin with comparing the campaign against regeneration against their stated wish to have sports played at the Mem. It wouldn't take long to make them look like people who would protest at everything.
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Post by Big Jock on Sept 11, 2017 16:35:17 GMT
Does anyone know when we first looked to build a stadium?
Just wondering how many of us will still be alive when we eventually succeed.
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Post by oldgas on Sept 11, 2017 16:37:02 GMT
True, but any approval for any plans is surely a couple of years in the future & it will only take a small group, to whip up a storm of protest, complain about every step in order to eek it out the process even more & cause us financial issues. As far as we know, no plans are even drawn up yet. If we are going for a full rebuild, I can't see building starting before 4/5 years - further 2 years for the build. The books are likely to show another £10-£15m losses in that time, unless we unearth a gem or two from our development squad or we go up to the championship- but it will cost us more than we get for that to remain there. I agree on the timescales. Its going to be a good while until we even see plans. I also agree about it not taking a lot to delay the build if residents protest. Thats why I'm hoping the club can do everything they can to accommodate residents concerns before it gets to the protest stage. Don't get me wrong, I fervently hope you are right. But, I can see this going horribly wrong because with the best will in the world, this will be hijacked by the likes of Carstairs, Radice & co. Its what they do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 16:43:40 GMT
Perhaps this is just a warning to our "friends" at the UWE that the club is serious about Plan B, in the hope they come back to us with a better deal? I genuinely think this is the case, have all along Maybe more hope than anything
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