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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 16:48:27 GMT
I agree on the timescales. Its going to be a good while until we even see plans. I also agree about it not taking a lot to delay the build if residents protest. Thats why I'm hoping the club can do everything they can to accommodate residents concerns before it gets to the protest stage. Don't get me wrong, I fervently hope you are right. But, I can see this going horribly wrong because with the best will in the world, this will be hijacked by the likes of Carstairs, Radice & co. Its what they do. I thought they were anti supermarket more than anything, did the greens get involved with ROSE, can't remember myself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 16:52:49 GMT
There's absolutely no point in trying to talk to the residents. Most of them will be pretty ambivalent I suspect. This will be hijacked by the usual suspects, the loony left brigade in the form of Carstairs, the Radice bitch, that awful stuttering woman from the Sainburys JR, and every other left-wing lunatic , and there are hundreds of them lurking under stones all around Bristol, will unite and attempt to shout this down. It really doesn't bear thinking about. I hope Wael knows what he's letting himself in for. I think most residents are normal reasonable people. You're going to get the odd one that is completely against the re-development, but most will be fine I reckon. The best thing the club can do is keep them informed. I know a couple of local residents and they really don't mind what happens at the mem as long as it doesn't cause a huge issue for them (like 6am deliveries for example). Generalisations and insults about the left aside, I think people are more than within their rights to protest if something is not right (we've seen both sides protesting this weekend alone). I would be up in arms if the site across from my house was going to be receiving huge lorries of deliveries early in the morning when I'm trying to sleep. We live in a democracy and so everyone has the right to make their voice heard. Lets hope the club can accommodate the local residents concerns long before they feel the need to protest. Until given reason to think otherwise the local people should be welcomed and listened too. Shown the positives and hopefully avoid an us and them situation which does nobody any good. I find it hard to understand how some people develop the mind reading skills to know what political party a local votes for and what relevance that has to whether a person wants a development built or not. A development is either GOOD for a place ,is NEUTRAL to a place causing little change.Or is BAD for a place. Local people just need reassuring that its going to be GOOD for them or at the least NEUTRAL. I assume the loony left includes the Mayor ? and a big chunk of the council and some local MPs......and perhaps anyone who has genuine concerns about a new stadium at the Mem. They are not looney. Besides this quadrant of Bristol has always been the citys sporting zone. RUGBY and CRICKET in Horfield and FOOTBALL in Eastville just down the hill. It has been so for the last hundred years. The area should be proud of this fact.
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Post by toddy1953 on Sept 11, 2017 17:06:45 GMT
True, but any approval for any plans is surely a couple of years in the future & it will only take a small group, to whip up a storm of protest, complain about every step in order to eek it out the process even more & cause us financial issues. As far as we know, no plans are even drawn up yet. If we are going for a full rebuild, I can't see building starting before 4/5 years - further 2 years for the build. The books are likely to show another £10-£15m losses in that time, unless we unearth a gem or two from our development squad or we go up to the championship- but it will cost us more than we get for that to remain there. You are quite hopeful then? No, the hope I built up over the years, for a decent stadium has evaporated. I am looking at that more realistically now. The hope I have for 3 points at the start of each game is there though.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 11, 2017 17:10:22 GMT
I doubt the protestors really have much hope as long as we don't move to far away from the original plans, as they set a precedent for pp. I can't see the Green getting involved given rebuilding the Mem is irrelevant to them causes. HorfieldRose if resurrected will surely struggle for funding, compared to Trash?
Although where we're going to get £30m+ from his not clear to build it is not clear.
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Post by toddy1953 on Sept 11, 2017 17:17:00 GMT
Does anyone know when we first looked to build a stadium? Just wondering how many of us will still be alive when we eventually succeed. Think it would have been mid/late 80's. Not sure if that would have been the Carsons Rd site. I like to think I would be alive but not sure I would be allowed out on my own.
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Post by Big Jock on Sept 11, 2017 17:21:40 GMT
Does anyone know when we first looked to build a stadium? Just wondering how many of us will still be alive when we eventually succeed. Think it would have been mid/late 80's. Not sure if that would have been the Carsons Rd site. I like to think I would be alive but not sure I would be allowed out on my own. Thank you Toddy. I guess they may have to consider a residential home for the elderly stand for most of our current fanbase then, either that or a chuffkin graveyard for the rest who don't make it
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Post by lympstonegas on Sept 11, 2017 17:28:08 GMT
I was told today by a resident who lives outside the ground that ROSE is being regenerated again so there will definitely be opposition to the Stadium regeneration
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Post by gregsy on Sept 11, 2017 17:35:07 GMT
I think the initial talks will be about how to oversee this project with the minimum of objections....
This will be the biggest hurdle, so for god's sake let's make absolutely sure we come up with designs and infrastructure that don't get thrown staight into the world of objections and court cases again....
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Post by womble on Sept 11, 2017 17:40:00 GMT
I Understand our chairperson had a meeting with our Mayor of Bristol I've got more faith in the new mayor than I would've had with ol' red trousers, at least he seems to be about progression rather than cycling lanes, 20mph zones and a facking ridiculous metro bus! Mayors do not have planning powers, so while his support would be nice, it's not his decision. It remains the fact, that the number of planning applications by Rovers, turned down by the council, is exactly zero. Incidently, Ferguson thought the Metrobus scheme pointless as well - it was the Lib Dem council that introduced it before he became Mayor.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 11, 2017 17:42:52 GMT
The worrying thing for me is the expectation management with talk of how Brentford scaled back from 20k to 17k....
We'll have plans for a 12k all seater in no time at all.
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Post by matealotblue on Sept 11, 2017 17:49:15 GMT
I was told today by a resident who lives outside the ground that ROSE is being regenerated again so there will definitely be opposition to the Stadium regeneration Got to admit my mind is a bit hazy on this, but I thought that their objections during the Sainsbury's fiasco was that the Stadium/Memorial etc were being lost. So as the plan now is the exact opposite of that ( and thus in my hazy memory roughly in line with their wishes) what are they going to raise as objections this time? Standfast the usual things about traffic/parking etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 17:53:23 GMT
I was told today by a resident who lives outside the ground that ROSE is being regenerated again so there will definitely be opposition to the Stadium regeneration Got to admit my mind is a bit hazy on this, but I thought that their objections during the Sainsbury's fiasco was that the Stadium/Memorial etc were being lost. So as the plan now is the exact opposite of that ( and thus in my hazy memory roughly in line with their wishes) what are they going to raise as objections this time? Standfast the usual things about traffic/parking etc. That was TRASH mate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 17:54:33 GMT
I wonder when DDMFHI will come out the woodwork?
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Post by matealotblue on Sept 11, 2017 17:59:07 GMT
Got to admit my mind is a bit hazy on this, but I thought that their objections during the Sainsbury's fiasco was that the Stadium/Memorial etc were being lost. So as the plan now is the exact opposite of that ( and thus in my hazy memory roughly in line with their wishes) what are they going to raise as objections this time? Standfast the usual things about traffic/parking etc. That was TRASH mate. Cheers. Hazier than I thought!
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Post by curlywurly on Sept 11, 2017 18:01:20 GMT
Think it would have been mid/late 80's. Not sure if that would have been the Carsons Rd site. I like to think I would be alive but not sure I would be allowed out on my own. Thank you Toddy. I guess they may have to consider a residential home for the elderly stand for most of our current fanbase then, either that or a chuffkin graveyard for the rest who don't make it Sadly many gasheads have already moved to the Tote End in the sky since the whole episode started in 1983.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 11, 2017 18:04:08 GMT
Fallen for this new ground rubbish too many times now , I'm not even gonna click on the thread.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 11, 2017 18:13:47 GMT
Fallen for this new ground rubbish too many times now , I'm not even gonna click on the thread. Impressive stuff that, posting on a thread w/o clicking on or reading it!!
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Sept 11, 2017 18:14:02 GMT
I've got more faith in the new mayor than I would've had with ol' red trousers, at least he seems to be about progression rather than cycling lanes, 20mph zones and a facking ridiculous metro bus! Mayors do not have planning powers, so while his support would be nice, it's not his decision. It remains the fact, that the number of planning applications by Rovers, turned down by the council, is exactly zero. Incidently, Ferguson thought the Metrobus scheme pointless as well - it was the Lib Dem council that introduced it before he became Mayor. Ultimately yes, but with the mayor on our side it'll help push the council for planning, the fact that he's a Labour mayor and the Mem a Labour area may also make a difference whilst driving up support for a new stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 18:14:17 GMT
Perhaps this is just a warning to our "friends" at the UWE that the club is serious about Plan B, in the hope they come back to us with a better deal? I genuinely think this is the case, have all along Maybe more hope than anything You are not alone
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Post by curlywurly on Sept 11, 2017 18:20:27 GMT
I sincerely hope they have started talks with the local residents, with them on board the PP process will be much easier! There's absolutely no point in trying to talk to the residents. Most of them will be pretty ambivalent I suspect. This will be hijacked by the usual suspects, the loony left brigade in the form of Carstairs, the Radice bitch, that awful stuttering woman from the Sainburys JR, and every other left-wing lunatic , and there are hundreds of them lurking under stones all around Bristol, will unite and attempt to shout this down. It really doesn't bear thinking about. I hope Wael knows what he's letting himself in for. No doubt, we have to expect opposition and a long drawn out process. But, the heartening thing is that the Green triumvirate of Radice, Hoyt and Telford are no longer on the council and have less influence. Also that Carstairs arguments used against the Sainsbury's development actually support the development of the Mem. These arguments were adopted by TRASH and the broader congregation of the Bishopston Society, including the "Asset of Community Value" flag attached by the Council. There'll be NIMBY's that will never be pleased, but it is also in the club's interest to try to engage with the local community in developing the plans.
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