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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 9:29:42 GMT
Depends on if your willingly going to jeopardise the future of the club Henbury... The future of this club is in good hands, i'm sure my little contribution will make no difference eitherway i just take my lead from all the league chairman who voted in favour of this competition. a) Shaun Harvey is actively citing attendance figures as justification for the inclusion of U23 teams. This will undoubtedly be used as key criteria for the success of the competition and trial therefore contributing hugely to future expansion of U23 teams in lower league competition. It quite clearly WILL make a difference. b) Our chairman didn't vote in favour of this competition format FYI. By that logic, you have the green light not to attend this fixture.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 9:32:14 GMT
So if they voted to increase prices by 200%, you would happily go along? If i could afford it then yes. So if Wael told you to not come to any league games would you follow him Depends on the reason. But I'd use my own intelligence and judgement to make the decision, not passively and brainlessly accept what I was being fed. Do you support U23 teams being introduced to lower league competitions Henbury?
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Oct 23, 2017 9:34:44 GMT
Ah yes, it's that time again. Hasn't this been done to death now. The fact is Rovers have to play in the competition and fans will want to go. we know some hate the competition but others will want to go. Thankfully a lot of people aren't prepared to sit back and passively accept lower league football being tinkered with to accommodate offshoots of the financially bloated Premier League machine. There will some who want to go but aren't aware of what this fixture constitutes and the impact supporting it may have on the future of lower league football. From that point of view it's important that it continues to be discussed and the implications highlighted. It is discussed every time we play in the competition. There really is no need is there ?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 23, 2017 9:35:34 GMT
If i could afford it then yes. So if Wael told you to not come to any league games would you follow him Depends on the reason. But I'd use my own intelligence and judgement to make the decision, not passively and brainlessly accept what I was being fed. Do you support U23 teams being introduced to lower league competitions Henbury? Nope but i will support my teams playing them
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 9:48:32 GMT
Depends on the reason. But I'd use my own intelligence and judgement to make the decision, not passively and brainlessly accept what I was being fed. Do you support U23 teams being introduced to lower league competitions Henbury? Nope but i will support my teams playing them Even if it's to the detriment of your club's longer term prospects and ability to be sustainable?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 9:50:27 GMT
Thankfully a lot of people aren't prepared to sit back and passively accept lower league football being tinkered with to accommodate offshoots of the financially bloated Premier League machine. There will some who want to go but aren't aware of what this fixture constitutes and the impact supporting it may have on the future of lower league football. From that point of view it's important that it continues to be discussed and the implications highlighted. It is discussed every time we play in the competition. There really is no need is there ? With respect, I think there is. Many people like myself don't want the these type of fixtures ever being normalised and are prepared to speak out every time they come about to try and prevent that.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 23, 2017 9:51:51 GMT
Nope but i will support my teams playing them Even if it's to the detriment of your club's longer term prospects and ability to be sustainable? Thats just your opinion i think it will be to the benefit of our club in the future
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 9:55:12 GMT
Even if it's to the detriment of your club's longer term prospects and ability to be sustainable? Thats just your opinion i think it will be to the benefit of our club in the future How so Henbury? I'm intrigued to read why.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Oct 23, 2017 9:56:38 GMT
It is discussed every time we play in the competition. There really is no need is there ? With respect, I think there is. Many people like myself don't want the these type of fixtures ever being normalised and are prepared to speak out every time they come about to try and prevent that. Provided you don't slag off those that attend then you have every right to speak out. Not sure your crusade on this forum will prevent anyone from going.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 23, 2017 10:01:08 GMT
Thats just your opinion i think it will be to the benefit of our club in the future How so Henbury? I'm intrigued to read why. It will give our beloved manager a "chance" to play some of the development squad in a real world competitive match against some seasoned Pro's. That can only benefit them and the club as a whole If and that's a big if we progress in this competition there is a chance of a large financial gain with a visit to the final That can only benefit the club as a whole as well Much needed revenue from games receipts and in game purchases of food Again that can only benefit the club
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Oct 23, 2017 10:02:02 GMT
How so Henbury? I'm intrigued to read why. It will give our beloved manager a "chance" to play some of the development squad in a real world competitive match against some seasoned Pro's. That can only benefit them and the club as a whole If and that's a big if we progress in this competition there is a chance of a change of a large financial gain with a visit to the final That can only benefit the club as a whole as well Much needed revenue from games receipts and in game purchases of food Again that can only benefit the club This
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 23, 2017 10:04:28 GMT
Darrell's already said the competition is a farce, and the club voted against it.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 23, 2017 10:07:05 GMT
Darrell's already said the competition is a farce, and the club voted against it. i voted to stay in europe but i'm all for leaving Europe now because 52% of the vote said leave. I know it will cost this country a lot of money and trade, but i will go with the majority and support my Govt. The same applies to this cup competition
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Oct 23, 2017 10:07:22 GMT
Darrell's already said the competition is a farce, and the club voted against it. But we have to play in it ~ And I am sure the players play to win
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 10:09:19 GMT
How so Henbury? I'm intrigued to read why. It will give our beloved manager a "chance" to play some of the development squad in a real world competitive match against some seasoned Pro's. That can only benefit them and the club as a whole If and that's a big if we progress in this competition there is a chance of a large financial gain with a visit to the final That can only benefit the club as a whole as well Much needed revenue from games receipts and in game purchases of food Again that can only benefit the club It will give our beloved manager a "chance" to play some of the development squad in a real world competitive match against some seasoned Pro's.
That can only benefit them and the club as a wholeThe point being that the vast majority aren't seasoned pros, but inexperienced kids who the competition is designed to give experience to. Whilst they are free and able to field their youngsters, we are not and have to adhere to regulations as to how many we can field. If and that's a big if we progress in this competition there is a chance of a large financial gain with a visit to the final
That can only benefit the club as a whole as wellThe financial gain comes from the Premier League who are effectively bribing lower league clubs to give their kids experience. Instead of going out on loan to lower league clubs, those kids will more likely remain at parent clubs and be able to gain experience against first team lower league pros to gain experience and increase their sell on value. Much needed revenue from games receipts and in game purchases of food
Again that can only benefit the club
We only get a limited amount of income from gate receipts in this competition. Certainly nowhere near enough to constitute 'much needed revenue'. We actually made a loss against Reading U23 last season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 10:12:38 GMT
It will give our beloved manager a "chance" to play some of the development squad in a real world competitive match against some seasoned Pro's. That can only benefit them and the club as a whole If and that's a big if we progress in this competition there is a chance of a change of a large financial gain with a visit to the final That can only benefit the club as a whole as well Much needed revenue from games receipts and in game purchases of food Again that can only benefit the club This Not really. All the listed benefits would apply if the old competition format existed and do not justify the introduction of U23 teams. Poor effort to defend the indefensible.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 23, 2017 10:14:49 GMT
It will give our beloved manager a "chance" to play some of the development squad in a real world competitive match against some seasoned Pro's. That can only benefit them and the club as a whole If and that's a big if we progress in this competition there is a chance of a large financial gain with a visit to the final That can only benefit the club as a whole as well Much needed revenue from games receipts and in game purchases of food Again that can only benefit the club It will give our beloved manager a "chance" to play some of the development squad in a real world competitive match against some seasoned Pro's.
That can only benefit them and the club as a wholeThe point being that the vast majority aren't seasoned pros, but inexperienced kids who the competition is designed to give experience to. Whilst they are free and able to field their youngsters, we are not and have to adhere to regulations as to how many we can field. If and that's a big if we progress in this competition there is a chance of a large financial gain with a visit to the final
That can only benefit the club as a whole as wellThe financial gain comes from the Premier League who are effectively bribing lower league clubs to give their kids experience. Instead of going out on loan to lower league clubs, those kids will more likely remain at parent clubs and be able to gain experience against first team lower league pros to gain experience and increase their sell on value. Much needed revenue from games receipts and in game purchases of food
Again that can only benefit the club
We only get a limited amount of income from gate receipts in this competition. Certainly nowhere near enough to constitute 'much needed revenue'. We actually made a loss against Reading U23 last season. Did you go to the reading game last season ?? They played their current (at the time) centre forward for fitness reasons... and yes he ripped us a new one
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 10:15:53 GMT
With respect, I think there is. Many people like myself don't want the these type of fixtures ever being normalised and are prepared to speak out every time they come about to try and prevent that. Provided you don't slag off those that attend then you have every right to speak out. Not sure your crusade on this forum will prevent anyone from going. Who knows, but at least I'll be able to say that I spoke out and took action for the future of the club when we end up facing the likes of Stoke, Swansea and Bristol City U23 in a league fixture. It'll happen if fixtures like these become normalised. Mark my words.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 10:17:49 GMT
It will give our beloved manager a "chance" to play some of the development squad in a real world competitive match against some seasoned Pro's.
That can only benefit them and the club as a wholeThe point being that the vast majority aren't seasoned pros, but inexperienced kids who the competition is designed to give experience to. Whilst they are free and able to field their youngsters, we are not and have to adhere to regulations as to how many we can field. If and that's a big if we progress in this competition there is a chance of a large financial gain with a visit to the final
That can only benefit the club as a whole as wellThe financial gain comes from the Premier League who are effectively bribing lower league clubs to give their kids experience. Instead of going out on loan to lower league clubs, those kids will more likely remain at parent clubs and be able to gain experience against first team lower league pros to gain experience and increase their sell on value. Much needed revenue from games receipts and in game purchases of food
Again that can only benefit the club
We only get a limited amount of income from gate receipts in this competition. Certainly nowhere near enough to constitute 'much needed revenue'. We actually made a loss against Reading U23 last season. Did you go to the reading game last season ?? They played their current (at the time) centre forward for fitness reasons... and yes he ripped us a new one So we were made to field a first team 11 to help give Reading's unfit centre forward the opportunity to gain some match experience? Makes sense.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Oct 23, 2017 10:18:07 GMT
Not really. All the listed benefits would apply if the old competition format existed and do not justify the introduction of U23 teams. Poor effort to defend the indefensible. Henburys reasons were valid and well put. Look, I get that you don't like the competition but we are playing in it. If you feel so strongly about it why not protest somewhere where you might make a difference ? get a placard and wander around with it ?
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