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Post by philbemmygas on Oct 31, 2017 12:13:39 GMT
In your opinion, which you are keen to ram down peoples throats. In my opinion the Chairmen of the lower league football clubs are highly unlikely to accept a fifth division come what may, which I will say counteracts some of your vitiole. UTG I'm very keen to make people aware of what's at stake here. As I've stated previously it's their decision to attend tonight. The Chairmen of lower league football have actively demonstrated they are prepared to be swayed by the financial incentives offered by the Premier League. With respect, I think that view is naive given the increased dependency on external funding and continued growth of the Premier League. In my opinion it's inevitable a new proposal will be brought to the table in years ahead and the chances of it being accepted will be greatly heightened by fixtures such as tonight's being normalised and accepted. Our club has a great history and standing in the English game and deserves more respect than to be used as fodder for financially bloated Premier League/Championship clubs to give their kids/reserves a run out. As I said it is all about opions; the whole game is already controlled by the whims of the premiersh*te. Realistically we could progress in this competition I will do my bit to assist my chosen club when ever I am able to, regardless of the opinion of people I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 12:21:48 GMT
I'm very keen to make people aware of what's at stake here. As I've stated previously it's their decision to attend tonight. The Chairmen of lower league football have actively demonstrated they are prepared to be swayed by the financial incentives offered by the Premier League. With respect, I think that view is naive given the increased dependency on external funding and continued growth of the Premier League. In my opinion it's inevitable a new proposal will be brought to the table in years ahead and the chances of it being accepted will be greatly heightened by fixtures such as tonight's being normalised and accepted. Our club has a great history and standing in the English game and deserves more respect than to be used as fodder for financially bloated Premier League/Championship clubs to give their kids/reserves a run out. As I said it is all about opions; the whole game is already controlled by the whims of the premiersh*te. Realistically we could progress in this competition I will do my bit to assist my chosen club when ever I am able to, regardless of the opinion of people I don't know. If that's your considered opinion, fair enough. Obviously it's voting with feet for the continued presence of this competition format though. Let's hope your view of the likelihood of a fifth division is correct. I have my doubts.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 31, 2017 12:24:17 GMT
Love all this holier than thou sh*t on here. Henbury, if you want to go, you go. It's up to no one else on here. I choose not to go because we are not playing a league side. I will attend for the Swindon game because they are. It's my choice, and I don't give a sh*t who it upsets. I hope you don't either. A) No one is telling him it's not his or anyone else's choice. It clearly is. B) People are passionate about this idea given what's at stake in the longer term. Anyone who fights for the long term future of lower league football should be applauded. Ok i will make a deal with you If our chairperson/manager/owner put out a statement saying we are playing tonight but we don't want you to attend because we don't want to support this competition, then i would not go But they will never do that because, guess what MONEY talks and the Majority of League chairpersons voted in favour for this competition and like most democratic societies we generally follow the democratic way of life and don't follow instructions from right wing activists
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Post by scoobydoogas on Oct 31, 2017 12:26:41 GMT
It's definitely a difficult one. Good arguments from both sides of the passionate debate. I won't be going purely as I lost interest in the early rounds of this competition a number of years ago. However, I will stand now and say that if we get to the latter stages then I will turn up. I often wonder, if the competition gets to the last 16 and there are no U23 teams left, will that change the minds of people that want to boycott the entire competition? It would certainly be interesting to see what happens.
Anyway, I've got my final Business Analyst exams in 3 weeks time and I've reached the age where I have to read everything 2 or 3 times before it sinks in properly so, rather than go tonight, I will have my head in the books tonight in the hope that some of it sticks in my head.
Good luck to those that are going tonight and peaceful protest from those that aren't :-)
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 31, 2017 12:27:16 GMT
A) No one is telling him it's not his or anyone else's choice. It clearly is. B) People are passionate about this idea given what's at stake in the longer term. Anyone who fights for the long term future of lower league football should be applauded. Ok i will make a deal with you If our chairperson/manager/owner put out a statement saying we are playing tonight but we don't want you to attend because we don't want to support this competition, then i would not go But they will never do that because, guess what MONEY talks and the Majority of League chairpersons voted in favour for this competition and like most democratic societies we generally follow the democratic way of life and don't follow instructions from right wing activists  Left wing bullying from right wing activists. No wonder I'm confused.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 31, 2017 12:31:00 GMT
Ok i will make a deal with you If our chairperson/manager/owner put out a statement saying we are playing tonight but we don't want you to attend because we don't want to support this competition, then i would not go But they will never do that because, guess what MONEY talks and the Majority of League chairpersons voted in favour for this competition and like most democratic societies we generally follow the democratic way of life and don't follow instructions from right wing activists Left wing bullying from right wing activists. No wonder I'm confused. But i'm a green burn your bra tree hugger at heart
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Post by baggins on Oct 31, 2017 12:38:38 GMT
Left wing bullying from right wing activists. No wonder I'm confused. But i'm a green burn your bra tree hugger at heart If you want to go and watch Rovers tonight, then you go. I won't be there, not for reasons mentioned, cheer them on for me.
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Post by socrates on Oct 31, 2017 12:39:19 GMT
Was almost tempted as it pains me not going to home games when I live so close to the Mem. However I will not be a part of this farce. Same as that mate. Thing is I actually liked the crappy cup. Had some really good times watching the Gas in it - Wembley ,Cardiff , the area final v sh** , Notts co home and away 1990 just off the top of my head there have been others but I won’t support the shitfest it’s been turned in to because I can’t bare the thought of having -23 teams in the lower divisions and this cup is step 1 towards that.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Oct 31, 2017 12:43:05 GMT
FFS it must be Checkatrade Trophy night!!! Life changes, football changes. If you can't keep pace with change you will get left behind. This format was democratically voted for by the lower league clubs, our club voted against, they didn't pull out in protest, so I won't. The future of our club is NOW, if we are not around in x years time when/if they have another vote to invite B teams into the league, then it won't matter. I wonder where the club would be now if the FL had agreed to change to 2 clubs relegated from L2 a year earlier & we went down with Halifax? Still roll on next Wed for round 3 of I'm saving my club by not going tonight.- let's see how many go to Trashton in Dec to see Manure U23 team in the League cup or what If we draw a top 6 Prem team at the Mem, should we progress in the FA cup, who would wait to see who is going to play before we buy the ticket? Ahh Coffee's here.......UTG Trashton will be a sell out as it should be as they're playing Man Utd not Man Utd U23s. That's not a good comparison imo.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Oct 31, 2017 12:46:00 GMT
What really needs to happen is a Swansea U23s vs Leicester U23s final at Wembley with about 2000 people there. Then I think that would make a lot of people realise how this competition has been completely disregarded at the club's expense.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 31, 2017 12:48:59 GMT
This format was democratically voted for by the lower league clubs... Democracy doesn't just mean 'vote.' 72 businesses having a vote doesn't mean it's democracy.
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Post by toddy1953 on Oct 31, 2017 12:54:20 GMT
In your opinion, which you are keen to ram down peoples throats. In my opinion the Chairmen of the lower league football clubs are highly unlikely to accept a fifth division come what may, which I will say counteracts some of your vitiole. UTG I'm very keen to make people aware of what's at stake here. As I've stated previously it's their decision to attend tonight. The Chairmen of lower league football have actively demonstrated they are prepared to be swayed by the financial incentives offered by the Premier League. With respect, I think that view is naive given the increased dependency on external funding and continued growth of the Premier League. In my opinion it's inevitable a new proposal will be brought to the table in years ahead and the chances of it being accepted will be greatly heightened by fixtures such as tonight's being normalised and accepted. Our club has a great history and standing in the English game and deserves more respect than to be used as fodder for financially bloated Premier League/Championship clubs to give their kids/reserves a run out. You could be right on the first point, but I can't see anything but the top 10 PL clubs being involved & certainly not Championship clubs, without a lot of lower league clubs going to the wall beforehand. Playing against reserves & kids has been happening for years in the FA Cup & League Cup. Personally I think there is more chance of there being a European League, for the big boys,but that will bring its own ramifications for lower league clubs
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Post by Okebournegas on Oct 31, 2017 13:03:30 GMT
It's definitely a difficult one. Good arguments from both sides of the passionate debate. I won't be going purely as I lost interest in the early rounds of this competition a number of years ago. However, I will stand now and say that if we get to the latter stages then I will turn up. I often wonder, if the competition gets to the last 16 and there are no U23 teams left, will that change the minds of people that want to boycott the entire competition? It would certainly be interesting to see what happens. Anyway, I've got my final Business Analyst exams in 3 weeks time and I've reached the age where I have to read everything 2 or 3 times before it sinks in properly so, rather than go tonight, I will have my head in the books tonight in the hope that some of it sticks in my head. Good luck to those that are going tonight and peaceful protest from those that aren't :-) Good post , if in the unlikely event we got to Wembley, I would still maintain my stance. I really do feel that strongly against it. I hate the fact that I have to miss games but in my view I think the bigger picture has to be seen. Like I mentioned earlier I shudder to think what would happen if one day these teams were introduced into our leagues and a fixture against the sh** u23s or West Ham's youth is a regular fixture. Like everyone else who posts on here I am 100% committed and passionate about the gas and I only want what's best for our long term future so my kids , kids have a team to support, so if my little boycott helps in my mind and opinion so be it. I will not however have a pop to people who turn up and watch as everyone has different views.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 31, 2017 13:07:34 GMT
It's definitely a difficult one. Good arguments from both sides of the passionate debate. I won't be going purely as I lost interest in the early rounds of this competition a number of years ago. However, I will stand now and say that if we get to the latter stages then I will turn up. I often wonder, if the competition gets to the last 16 and there are no U23 teams left, will that change the minds of people that want to boycott the entire competition? It would certainly be interesting to see what happens. Anyway, I've got my final Business Analyst exams in 3 weeks time and I've reached the age where I have to read everything 2 or 3 times before it sinks in properly so, rather than go tonight, I will have my head in the books tonight in the hope that some of it sticks in my head. Good luck to those that are going tonight and peaceful protest from those that aren't :-) Good post , if in the unlikely event we got to Wembley, I would still maintain my stance. I really do feel that strongly against it. I hate the fact that I have to miss games but in my view I think the bigger picture has to be seen. Like I mentioned earlier I shudder to think what would happen if one day these teams were introduced into our leagues and a fixture against the sh** u23s or West Ham's youth is a regular fixture. Like everyone else who posts on here I am 100% committed and passionate about the gas and I only want what's best for our long term future so my kids , kids have a team to support, so if my little boycott helps in my mind and opinion so be it. I will not however have a pop to people who turn up and watch as everyone has different views. Could you entertain the thought that just maybe we could be one of those championship teams putting a U23 team into the competition. Or do you think we will be a lower league team for the next 5-10 years ? Not having a pop just interested in your view
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Post by newmarketgas on Oct 31, 2017 13:08:06 GMT
This format was democratically voted for by the lower league clubs... Democracy doesn't just mean 'vote.' 72 businesses having a vote doesn't mean it's democracy. Do you think every one in the Country should have had a chance to vote for this ? Then what ever the result everyone will be happy to move on, as that is true democracy ?
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Oct 31, 2017 13:13:52 GMT
If you supported the future of your football club, you wouldn't attend tonight. But have a good night Henbury. Every time you look at all the empty spaces on the terrace, remember those who would love to be out watching football tonight but have put the future of the club and lower league football first. You are soooo Wrong The people at the top don't give a sh** if i attend or not and i'm sure don't give a sh** about them I hope you enjoy watching Eastenders over watching the rovers Edit forgot to tell you that i'm taking a friend with me who don't normally go to a Rovers game, but is a West Ham supporter Should have a good view.
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Post by newmarketgas on Oct 31, 2017 13:17:01 GMT
You are soooo Wrong The people at the top don't give a sh** if i attend or not and i'm sure don't give a sh** about them I hope you enjoy watching Eastenders over watching the rovers Edit forgot to tell you that i'm taking a friend with me who don't normally go to a Rovers game, but is a West Ham supporter Should have a good view. And wont have to stand next to some whinging arse hole.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 31, 2017 13:17:57 GMT
Democracy doesn't just mean 'vote.' 72 businesses having a vote doesn't mean it's democracy. Do you think every one in the Country should have had a chance to vote for this ? No, of course not.
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Post by newmarketgas on Oct 31, 2017 13:20:36 GMT
Do you think every one in the Country should have had a chance to vote for this ? No, of course not. You are a trixie one. You avoided the other part of the answer. Are you Gina Miller in disguise ?
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Post by toddy1953 on Oct 31, 2017 13:21:37 GMT
This format was democratically voted for by the lower league clubs... Democracy doesn't just mean 'vote.' 72 businesses having a vote doesn't mean it's democracy. Democracy is a system of running organizations, businesses, and groups in which each member is entitled to vote and take part in decisions. ...the union's emphasis on industrial democracy.
Good enough for me, but thanks for pointing out my ignorance.
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