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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 15:54:15 GMT
I bow to the superior knowledge of the business experts on here. However if simple commonsense was taken into account it's quite obvious to all concerned what the Chairman's statement about twelve million investment was meant to say, to the masses not the few. Rather than just call our owners out, why don't some of these business experts buy into/ invest etc etc whatever you want to call it into our beloved club and all will be rosey! Hang on a minute, you’ve changed your tune haven’t you! You were outing them yourself not so long ago! Was I? Please provide examples of me "outing them".
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 24, 2018 15:59:25 GMT
I bow to the superior knowledge of the business experts on here. However if simple commonsense was taken into account it's quite obvious to all concerned what the Chairman's statement about twelve million investment was meant to say, to the masses not the few. Rather than just call our owners out, why don't some of these business experts buy into/ invest etc etc whatever you want to call it into our beloved club and all will be rosey! Our chairman should know the difference between investment and collateral spend. Some of us do put more than our season tickets into the club financially Bideford, which is why some of us question our owners motives than others. Ive put in 10k this year in stadium advertising and hospitality sponsorship. If I had a a fair few million more, I would give it a good go!!
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Post by francegas on Jan 24, 2018 16:00:25 GMT
Some interesting stats posted on the other forum concerning "investment" in clubs. Since we acquired the Mem in 1997 the following has been achieved....
29 clubs have moved to a new stadium. A further 1 club is in the process of building a new stadium (Spurs). 2 of the 29 clubs have made further improvements with new stands.
On top of this..
21 clubs have improved their stadium with a 1 stand development. 7 clubs with a 2 stand development. 5 clubs with a 3 stand development. 2 clubs with a 4 stand development (or as good as a new stadium according to some)
The last stand built and paid for by Bristol Rovers was the Tote End in 1935 and that was bulldozed 31 years ago.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 24, 2018 16:06:56 GMT
I wonder how many of those clubs are now enjoying an improved league position and greater financial income.
I know there will be cases like Coventry and Darlington who made a royal porridge out of it, but I bet there are more success stories than failures.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 16:27:25 GMT
I bow to the superior knowledge of the business experts on here. However if simple commonsense was taken into account it's quite obvious to all concerned what the Chairman's statement about twelve million investment was meant to say, to the masses not the few. Rather than just call our owners out, why don't some of these business experts buy into/ invest etc etc whatever you want to call it into our beloved club and all will be rosey! Our chairman should know the difference between investment and collateral spend. Some of us do put more than our season tickets into the club financially Bideford, which is why some of us question our owners motives than others. Ive put in 10k this year in stadium advertising and hospitality sponsorship. If I had a a fair few million more, I would give it a good go!! I applaud you for your support of our club, however please don't assume my only support for the club over the last sixty one years is by buying a season ticket. Sometimes I wish it was.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 24, 2018 16:29:22 GMT
I bow to the superior knowledge of the business experts on here. However if simple commonsense was taken into account it's quite obvious to all concerned what the Chairman's statement about twelve million investment was meant to say, to the masses not the few. Rather than just call our owners out, why don't some of these business experts buy into/ invest etc etc whatever you want to call it into our beloved club and all will be rosey! Our chairman should know the difference between investment and collateral spend. Some of us do put more than our season tickets into the club financially Bideford, which is why some of us question our owners motives than others. Ive put in 10k this year in stadium advertising and hospitality sponsorship. If I had a a fair few million more, I would give it a good go!! Maybe he should know the difference, but it's clear where a lot of the money they refer to has gone
It's you using the word Investment as a stick to beat them with because it doesn't fit with what you want/take it to mean
The Al-Qadi's have spent that money to get the club on some sort of footing. It's not their fault the club is starting from such a low base.
To achieve what some people want in the time people seem to think it should happen than we need a Lansdown type to throw money around and we don't have one of those.
Maybe the Yanks or The Chinese consortium or whomever was desperate to buy us, can do a deal with Dwane Sports as they apparently have no money and Hani has no desire to be here anymore etc, etc
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Post by knowall on Jan 24, 2018 16:33:26 GMT
Some interesting stats posted on the other forum concerning "investment" in clubs. Since we acquired the Mem in 1997 the following has been achieved.... 29 clubs have moved to a new stadium. A further 1 club is in the process of building a new stadium (Spurs). 2 of the 29 clubs have made further improvements with new stands. On top of this.. 21 clubs have improved their stadium with a 1 stand development. 7 clubs with a 2 stand development. 5 clubs with a 3 stand development. 2 clubs with a 4 stand development (or as good as a new stadium according to some) The last stand built and paid for by Bristol Rovers was the Tote End in 1935 and that was bulldozed 31 years ago. You seem to have forgotten the North Stand in 1960 (£76000) at Eastville And surely the purchase of The Memorial Ground counts for something?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 16:44:39 GMT
I wonder how many of those clubs are now enjoying an improved league position and greater financial income. I know there will be cases like Coventry and Darlington who made a royal porridge out of it, but I bet there are more success stories than failures. Rushden and Diamonds are doing well. Torquay built a new stand things are going swimmingly there they are soon to become a giant of a club...in conference south. Kidderminster Harriers managed to combine building new stands with dropping to conference north. Wrexham built a nice stand alongside the main road and have spent most of the time since in non league. Tranmere rovers rebuilt stands . Chesterfield built a new stadium. Barnet have shiny new stands . Colchester united moved to a new stadium in their championship days. Leyton orient rebuilt much of Brisbane road things are rosy there. Not sure when Chester moved to the "new" stadium but not gone well for them they used to be called Chester city. Hartlepool rebuilt stands. Halifax town started building a stand...now they have to be called Halifax. Macclesfield built a new stand when in the league.
I would say most if not all clubs that have been in the football league over the last 20 years have rebuilt part of their grounds. Bristol Rovers built two new stands out of canvas and scaffold poles.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 16:45:09 GMT
Our chairman should know the difference between investment and collateral spend. Some of us do put more than our season tickets into the club financially Bideford, which is why some of us question our owners motives than others. Ive put in 10k this year in stadium advertising and hospitality sponsorship. If I had a a fair few million more, I would give it a good go!! Maybe he should know the difference, but it's clear where a lot of the money they refer to has gone
It's you using the word Investment as a stick to beat them with because it doesn't fit with what you want/take it to mean
The Al-Qadi's have spent that money to get the club on some sort of footing. It's not their fault the club is starting from such a low base.
To achieve what some people want in the time people seem to think it should happen than we need a Lansdown type to throw money around and we don't have one of those.
Maybe the Yanks or The Chinese consortium or whomever was desperate to buy us, can do a deal with Dwane Sports as they apparently have no money and Hani has no desire to be here anymore etc, etc
Good post. The meaning of investment, the act of putting money, effort, time etc into something to make a profit or get an advantage or the money, effort, time etc used to do this.
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Post by francegas on Jan 24, 2018 17:17:45 GMT
Some interesting stats posted on the other forum concerning "investment" in clubs. Since we acquired the Mem in 1997 the following has been achieved.... 29 clubs have moved to a new stadium. A further 1 club is in the process of building a new stadium (Spurs). 2 of the 29 clubs have made further improvements with new stands. On top of this.. 21 clubs have improved their stadium with a 1 stand development. 7 clubs with a 2 stand development. 5 clubs with a 3 stand development. 2 clubs with a 4 stand development (or as good as a new stadium according to some) The last stand built and paid for by Bristol Rovers was the Tote End in 1935 and that was bulldozed 31 years ago. You seem to have forgotten the North Stand in 1960 (£76000) at Eastville And surely the purchase of The Memorial Ground counts for something? My apologies I took the info from the other forum. It had since been corrected and the cost of £76000 included a donation of £10000 from the supporters club. (I assume that is correct). Of course the purchase of the Memorial Ground counts for something hence the info was since this date.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 24, 2018 17:46:15 GMT
Our chairman should know the difference between investment and collateral spend. Some of us do put more than our season tickets into the club financially Bideford, which is why some of us question our owners motives than others. Ive put in 10k this year in stadium advertising and hospitality sponsorship. If I had a a fair few million more, I would give it a good go!! Maybe he should know the difference, but it's clear where a lot of the money they refer to has gone
It's you using the word Investment as a stick to beat them with because it doesn't fit with what you want/take it to mean
The Al-Qadi's have spent that money to get the club on some sort of footing. It's not their fault the club is starting from such a low base.
To achieve what some people want in the time people seem to think it should happen than we need a Lansdown type to throw money around and we don't have one of those.
Maybe the Yanks or The Chinese consortium or whomever was desperate to buy us, can do a deal with Dwane Sports as they apparently have no money and Hani has no desire to be here anymore etc, etc
So why say it? The context of the interview at that point was about the commitment from the ALQ's to BRFC and their position regarding taking the club forward. There was no mention of it about purchasing the club. Now it could have been a throw away line at that reference of purchase, or a complete attempt at a blag in order for a few of the tinters to think "wow, they are spending money, no need to question further". But it didn't have that context. The context and question was, what have you spent so far in investment? Answer: £12m. Hamer is also experienced in media relations, so if you are going to make a politicians answer or blag like one, at least make it sound convincing with a fair argument to back it up. Along with his landing lights and top six budget, which he steadfastly sounded before DC said he had a bottom 6 budget, it is an example of what a blagger he tries to be, except he isn't very good at it.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 24, 2018 17:53:50 GMT
I wonder how many of those clubs are now enjoying an improved league position and greater financial income. I know there will be cases like Coventry and Darlington who made a royal porridge out of it, but I bet there are more success stories than failures. Rushden and Diamonds are doing well. Torquay built a new stand things are going swimmingly there they are soon to become a giant of a club...in conference south. Kidderminster Harriers managed to combine building new stands with dropping to conference north. Wrexham built a nice stand alongside the main road and have spent most of the time since in non league. Tranmere rovers rebuilt stands . Chesterfield built a new stadium. Barnet have shiny new stands . Colchester united moved to a new stadium in their championship days. Leyton orient rebuilt much of Brisbane road things are rosy there. Not sure when Chester moved to the "new" stadium but not gone well for them they used to be called Chester city. Hartlepool rebuilt stands. Halifax town started building a stand...now they have to be called Halifax. Macclesfield built a new stand when in the league.
I would say most if not all clubs that have been in the football league over the last 20 years have rebuilt part of their grounds. Bristol Rovers built two new stands out of canvas and scaffold poles.
These clubs though have minimal fan bases and are in towns rather than Cities which have smaller populations. A heavily populated City, like Bristol has untapped support which when done properly will garner you extra revenue. Like City last night. Both clubs can take 40k to Wembley for the right occasion. We still sold out games in the conference, Barnet have only had an average gate of 2000. Hartlepool 4000, Colchester similar numbers. Clubs that have had new stadiums in Cities are the ones that have flourished, Swansea, Cardiff, Leicester, to name a few.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 24, 2018 17:58:47 GMT
Maybe he should know the difference, but it's clear where a lot of the money they refer to has gone
It's you using the word Investment as a stick to beat them with because it doesn't fit with what you want/take it to mean
The Al-Qadi's have spent that money to get the club on some sort of footing. It's not their fault the club is starting from such a low base.
To achieve what some people want in the time people seem to think it should happen than we need a Lansdown type to throw money around and we don't have one of those.
Maybe the Yanks or The Chinese consortium or whomever was desperate to buy us, can do a deal with Dwane Sports as they apparently have no money and Hani has no desire to be here anymore etc, etc
Good post. The meaning of investment, the act of putting money, effort, time etc into something to make a profit or get an advantage or the money, effort, time etc used to do this. But don't you have to own something first to put investment in?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 24, 2018 18:34:21 GMT
I wonder how many of those clubs are now enjoying an improved league position and greater financial income. I know there will be cases like Coventry and Darlington who made a royal porridge out of it, but I bet there are more success stories than failures. Rushden and Diamonds are doing well. Torquay built a new stand things are going swimmingly there they are soon to become a giant of a club...in conference south. Kidderminster Harriers managed to combine building new stands with dropping to conference north. Wrexham built a nice stand alongside the main road and have spent most of the time since in non league. Tranmere rovers rebuilt stands . Chesterfield built a new stadium. Barnet have shiny new stands . Colchester united moved to a new stadium in their championship days. Leyton orient rebuilt much of Brisbane road things are rosy there. Not sure when Chester moved to the "new" stadium but not gone well for them they used to be called Chester city. Hartlepool rebuilt stands. Halifax town started building a stand...now they have to be called Halifax. Macclesfield built a new stand when in the league.
I would say most if not all clubs that have been in the football league over the last 20 years have rebuilt part of their grounds. Bristol Rovers built two new stands out of canvas and scaffold poles.
When you were half way through typing that list didn't you think to yourself "these are all clubs with small fan bases, not sure I should be wasting my time with this list"? Clubs similar to our fan base all appear to be doing OK after investing in their new grounds, Swansea, Reading, the 82ers, Brighton, the latter having just paid a record £14m transfer fee! There's only really Coventry who've gone backwards after building a new stadium. Although didn't Wael say in his first press interview a new ground was a priority so it seems he agrees, he just needs to come up with a design for the Mem and the finance to build it, although the latter seems to have been the issue for decades.
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Post by Finnish Gas on Jan 24, 2018 18:45:22 GMT
Rushden & Diamonds are doing well? Have you been to Nene Park recently?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 18:49:14 GMT
Good post. The meaning of investment, the act of putting money, effort, time etc into something to make a profit or get an advantage or the money, effort, time etc used to do this. But don't you have to own something first to put investment in? Surely you have contradicted yourself there. You have put money into the club so your business can profit from it (ie. Advertising)and yet you don't own the club. Is that not investment?
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Post by Marshy on Jan 24, 2018 18:53:01 GMT
Rushden & Diamonds are doing well? Have you been to Nene Park recently? What’s that bloody digger doing on our new pitch?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 19:04:01 GMT
I wonder how many of those clubs are now enjoying an improved league position and greater financial income. I know there will be cases like Coventry and Darlington who made a royal porridge out of it, but I bet there are more success stories than failures. Rushden and Diamonds are doing well. Torquay built a new stand things are going swimmingly there they are soon to become a giant of a club...in conference south. Kidderminster Harriers managed to combine building new stands with dropping to conference north. Wrexham built a nice stand alongside the main road and have spent most of the time since in non league. Tranmere rovers rebuilt stands . Chesterfield built a new stadium. Barnet have shiny new stands . Colchester united moved to a new stadium in their championship days. Leyton orient rebuilt much of Brisbane road things are rosy there. Not sure when Chester moved to the "new" stadium but not gone well for them they used to be called Chester city. Hartlepool rebuilt stands. Halifax town started building a stand...now they have to be called Halifax. Macclesfield built a new stand when in the league.
I would say most if not all clubs that have been in the football league over the last 20 years have rebuilt part of their grounds. Bristol Rovers built two new stands out of canvas and scaffold poles.
I had to laugh at your counter arguement for the defence. Very good.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 24, 2018 19:06:02 GMT
Rushden & Diamonds are doing well? Have you been to Nene Park recently? But they are just like FGR, kept afloat by a rich benefactor, North Ferriby and Aflreton are also disappearing as fast as they arrived. Although god knows how we'd survive if Hani decided he wanted his "investment" back anytime soon.
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 24, 2018 19:12:39 GMT
Rushden & Diamonds are doing well? Have you been to Nene Park recently? What’s that bloody digger doing on our new pitch? Who s driving it? I know of one suspect😂
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