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Post by socrates on Jan 7, 2018 13:04:57 GMT
Its alright saying if we were going to make the play offs then no one would care - we certainly are not going to get close to the play offs this season. Also it is frustrating that in the summer, in fact every summer it was obvious we needed to rebuild the squad and the number of players we were after became less and less. Are we having a boring season? - We are heading towards a relegation battle, think we are having a very worrying season. Naturally the board are being looked at now, they came in setting expectation to evolve, we are beginning to go backwards. If I was board that "are here for the long run", I would want to make sure my club stays up. Its not like the family have NO money is it. The news about the training ground came across as a blow softener, as if the fans are nothing but muppets that have no intelligence and just turn up to watch football on a Saturday. They could have announced the training ground days after, the timing seemed odd. The new training ground will be fantastic for the club and obviously needed, if built then brilliant, but how many fans watch football at a training facility on a Saturday afternoon. No they turn up to watch their team who trains at a training ground all week. You’ve only got to look at Fleetwood to see that having a good training facilities can help move a club on massively. We need to improve on the pitch and off it or stand still. This year we will see whether they mean business or not.
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Post by LJG on Jan 7, 2018 13:36:16 GMT
I'm already finished with them after the veiled threat of litigation that has surfaced on the AF. Smacks of those clowns at Blackpool. They should be concentrating on progressing this club on and off the pitch not tilting at windmills on the internet. Get a life ffs. Haha the old board threatened litigation relating to forum posts plenty of times. If the old board did it and the new board feel the need for it maybe the problem isn't with the board it's with the gobshites peddling crap on forums. Same people posting the same rumours ten years later but the board have have changed. What does that tell you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 13:39:48 GMT
As a moderator there, i will firstly say the post has been deleted by the user, so no one can verify what was said. I have never seen it myself The user received a message from the club, asking to DISCUSS a potentially libelous post before anything MAY be pursued. Without knowing what was said/written, I think it best to air on the side of caution before people start jumping in and pointing the finger at the club. As i said on the other forum. A lot has been written about SH, club staff and the Al Qadis recently often insinuating things. Either the poster was unlucky to picked out given some of the sh** written all over social media or it was indeed questionable. I beleive the post (in the posters defence) was badly puntuated or worderd and gave it a slightly different meaning. The post was removed and as far as I am aware that will be the end of the matter So youve lost respect for the board over something you and many others havent seen. Also you have no proof of said incident🤔. If the post was libelous then surely its what he desreved anyway. Probably another keyboard warrior spouting off about something he had heard and had no evidence of either. The club have just actually messaged me saying they are buying out lansdown and turning AG into a landfill site whilst also buying filton airfield and building a stadium to rival wembley but of course i have no proof of this, but i expect you all to believe me, or does it only work when the board are being bashed?🤔🤔 If you read the thread it has been corroborated by the moderators that a club official (Hamer I believe) signed up to request a poster remove their post in order to avoid taking things further- according to the mods the post related to: "Explicitly naming and calling an individual a liar without offering clear evidence could be considered libelous." Personally I would rather see such claims debated in the clear for everyone to see rather than hiding behind the prospect of litigation which is generally a tool for the idle rich to shut people up using financial muscle. A poster used the term 'bullying' and I agree, not much different than offering to meet someone in a car park. Dear oh dear, what have we become?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 7, 2018 13:47:04 GMT
So youve lost respect for the board over something you and many others havent seen. Also you have no proof of said incident🤔. If the post was libelous then surely its what he desreved anyway. Probably another keyboard warrior spouting off about something he had heard and had no evidence of either. The club have just actually messaged me saying they are buying out lansdown and turning AG into a landfill site whilst also buying filton airfield and building a stadium to rival wembley but of course i have no proof of this, but i expect you all to believe me, or does it only work when the board are being bashed?🤔🤔 If you read the thread it has been corroborated by the moderators that a club official (Hamer I believe) signed up to request a poster remove their post in order to avoid taking things further- according to the mods the post related to: "Explicitly naming and calling an individual a liar without offering clear evidence could be considered libelous." Personally I would rather see such claims debated in the clear for everyone to see rather than hiding behind the prospect of litigation which is generally a tool for the idle rich to shut people up using financial muscle. A poster used the term 'bullying' and I agree, not much different than offering to meet someone in a car park. Dear oh dear, what have we become? If I spred lies about you without proof what is there to debate?
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 7, 2018 14:11:43 GMT
Our board pulled our pants down with the Taylor fee, it was an embarrassing bit of business, then paid a small fee for sercombe. They've done the minimum at best. Sorry, but comments like this are just moronic. Taylor wouldn't have signed unless the release clause was put into his contract. Taylors agent and the club agreed on 300K. The board did the best they could at the time to keep Taylor who I had offers from 20 other League 1 teams. Keeping DC, keeping Taylor for the extra half a year etc, wouldn't have happened under the old board. moronic? Don't think so, the old board were plebs yeh, but they would of got far more than 300K. Are you sticking up for the club on these deals?, it's pathetic, I'll watch this club till I die, but I won't stick my head up there ass,when I think there wrong. And clearly they are on what we've received for our BEST players.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 14:23:31 GMT
Sorry, but comments like this are just moronic. Taylor wouldn't have signed unless the release clause was put into his contract. Taylors agent and the club agreed on 300K. The board did the best they could at the time to keep Taylor who I had offers from 20 other League 1 teams. Keeping DC, keeping Taylor for the extra half a year etc, wouldn't have happened under the old board. moronic? Don't think so, the old board were plebs yeh, but they would of got far more than 300K. Are you sticking up for the club on these deals?, it's pathetic, I'll watch this club till I die, but I won't stick my head up there ass,when I think there wrong. And clearly they are on what we've received for our BEST players. Out of interest if you ran the club how would you have handled the Taylor situation that summer? His contract had expired so he was a free agent, he was only willing to sign a new deal if a relatively low release cause was inserted. Would you have got a couple of heavies to get him in a half nelson and force him to sign a deal he wasn't happy with or just let him walk away for nothing there and then?
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Post by peterparker on Jan 7, 2018 15:04:45 GMT
So youve lost respect for the board over something you and many others havent seen. Also you have no proof of said incident🤔. If the post was libelous then surely its what he desreved anyway. Probably another keyboard warrior spouting off about something he had heard and had no evidence of either. The club have just actually messaged me saying they are buying out lansdown and turning AG into a landfill site whilst also buying filton airfield and building a stadium to rival wembley but of course i have no proof of this, but i expect you all to believe me, or does it only work when the board are being bashed?🤔🤔 If you read the thread it has been corroborated by the moderators that a club official (Hamer I believe) signed up to request a poster remove their post in order to avoid taking things further- according to the mods the post related to: "Explicitly naming and calling an individual a liar without offering clear evidence could be considered libelous." Personally I would rather see such claims debated in the clear for everyone to see rather than hiding behind the prospect of litigation which is generally a tool for the idle rich to shut people up using financial muscle. A poster used the term 'bullying' and I agree, not much different than offering to meet someone in a car park. Dear oh dear, what have we become? What is bullying about asking someone to retract/explain a statement or prove it? A lot of people are faceless on the internet and even those that arent, it is easy to say things (we are all guilty of it in some shape or degree i would say) but you just cannot say anything you want. An awful lot of questionable stuff and accusations have been thrown around the past couple of months across social media. NO ONE can deny that. Perhaps the post in questioned deserved contact.it was asked to be explained and discussed,in the first instance which seems pretty reasonable to me
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 7, 2018 15:11:11 GMT
moronic? Don't think so, the old board were plebs yeh, but they would of got far more than 300K. Are you sticking up for the club on these deals?, it's pathetic, I'll watch this club till I die, but I won't stick my head up there ass,when I think there wrong. And clearly they are on what we've received for our BEST players. Out of interest if you ran the club how would you have handled the Taylor situation that summer? His contract had expired so he was a free agent, he was only willing to sign a new deal if a relatively low release cause was inserted. Would you have got a couple of heavies to get him in a half nelson and force him to sign a deal he wasn't happy with or just let him walk away for nothing there and then? No Eric, it would have been a Boston crab, my gripe with our board is, why does every other club that sales there best players, seem to get a million at least, whilst we just get bottom dollar. Every time?
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Post by gas2 on Jan 7, 2018 15:14:02 GMT
This transfer window is the last chance for the club full stop
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 7, 2018 15:15:52 GMT
Out of interest if you ran the club how would you have handled the Taylor situation that summer? His contract had expired so he was a free agent, he was only willing to sign a new deal if a relatively low release cause was inserted. Would you have got a couple of heavies to get him in a half nelson and force him to sign a deal he wasn't happy with or just let him walk away for nothing there and then? No Eric, it would have been a Boston crab, my gripe with our board is, why does every other club that sales there best players, seem to get a million at least, whilst we just get bottom dollar. Every time? a pile driver would be better followed by a big splash from the top of the blackthorn end
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Post by yategasman on Jan 7, 2018 15:18:14 GMT
But we could have inserted our own clause “you can’t sign for the sh**”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 15:38:23 GMT
Out of interest if you ran the club how would you have handled the Taylor situation that summer? His contract had expired so he was a free agent, he was only willing to sign a new deal if a relatively low release cause was inserted. Would you have got a couple of heavies to get him in a half nelson and force him to sign a deal he wasn't happy with or just let him walk away for nothing there and then? No Eric, it would have been a Boston crab, my gripe with our board is, why does every other club that sales there best players, seem to get a million at least, whilst we just get bottom dollar. Every time? Are there examples of players with only a few months left on their contracts going for millions at our level? I'm not aware of any? Even the Prem teams are affected by the scenario of a players valuation falling as a contract enters its last year. You only have to look at Ross Berkley leaving Everton for £15m because he only had six months left on his current contract, he'd have been worth double or triple in different circumstances. Like us Everton offered the player a new deal, he chose not to sign and his value began to plummet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 15:42:29 GMT
When the club was in the conference the squad was quite experienced for the level being played. When in league two the squad was less experienced for the level being played but momentum and team spirit compensated for that. When at league one in the first season the squad was very inexperienced at that level and again momentum carried them through. This season momentum has stopped ,the experience level is still very low for the level being played its mostly team spirit that's carried them through. The squad needs to be topped up with players with at the least lots of league two experience preferably league one and above.
Loans might fill the gap but failing to bring in experienced players will see the squad going backwards. The summer saw a more experienced league one player in Sercombe join and his ability stands out. Nichols has barely played a season and a half at league one and probably about 2 seasons worth of league two experience. Smith a season at league one and a season at league two Slocombe a couple of championship games ,a few seasons at league one and at league two.
So the experience level is rising but it does need a big boost. 3 experienced players should be the goal.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 7, 2018 16:09:15 GMT
I'm just struggling to understand the owners ambition, if they want to be here and don't get me wrong I think Wael is very likable guy and when meeting him in person has always come across well, but surely if they want to be here, they would be telling DC to get the players in and to keep us up.
It's too early in the month to say whether the window has been a good one or not, but we have to hope it's fruitful and at least 2 or 3 players come in before next game.
Relegation would be a disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 16:16:16 GMT
When the club was in the conference the squad was quite experienced for the level being played. When in league two the squad was less experienced for the level being played but momentum and team spirit compensated for that. When at league one in the first season the squad was very inexperienced at that level and again momentum carried them through. This season momentum has stopped ,the experience level is still very low for the level being played its mostly team spirit that's carried them through. The squad needs to be topped up with players with at the least lots of league two experience preferably league one and above. Loans might fill the gap but failing to bring in experienced players will see the squad going backwards. The summer saw a more experienced league one player in Sercombe join and his ability stands out. Nichols has barely played a season and a half at league one and probably about 2 seasons worth of league two experience. Smith a season at league one and a season at league two Slocombe a couple of championship games ,a few seasons at league one and at league two. So the experience level is rising but it does need a big boost. 3 experienced players should be the goal. I think you're right about adding a bit of experience. It may have made a difference in games such as Wimbledon and the Gills where we just folded after conceding. In my early days watching Rovers we had Kenny Hibbitt and he was a fantastic influence, it's a shame fewer players like that don't drop down a league or two before retiring. Before that the likes of Channon, Gould, Francis and Ball? I guess with prem wages these days they don't have to? Some of the miserable fans on here would prefer to describe experienced players as journeymen only here for a last payday though!!!
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Post by pirate49 on Jan 7, 2018 16:19:58 GMT
Is this window the last chance for our owners?
The problem with this question is in what way is it the last chance? If they do not enable DC to buy quality players what's going to happen? They will still be our owners.......unless there's a rich consortium waiting in the wings. As someone else said it's more likely to be the last chance for the club rather than the owners. We're more than half way through the season and just 5 points above the relegation zone. They can move on to another investment; one more likely to bear fruit. We're either stuck with them....or just stuck!
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Post by Thatslife on Jan 7, 2018 16:27:29 GMT
This transfer window is the last chance for the club full stop That's absolute rubbish and you know it!
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Post by cj on Jan 7, 2018 16:45:23 GMT
By and large I've remained fairly positive and supportive of our owners. However, with so many negative rumours, the collapse of the UWE deal and the Colony stalling I have started to become a little worried. I'm pinning a lot on this transfer window. A good show of support for DC will be massive. Anything less and I think the owners will really be in danger of losing the fans. What do others feel?Evolution not revolution has always been stated from day one. In any update they have continuously stated the same motto. They have said many times they wont throw money at things. They have said many times that they want to rebuild the club from scratch. They have said many times that their main focus to begin with is the youth set up getting things right in that area is key for the future of our club. They have said many times that we will be self-sustainable. So to answer your question, personally, I appreciate all the above takes time. They have been here for less than 2 years which is not a lot of time in that position. In that we have had a promotion and took over UWE situation which comes across that the old regime had agreed to a bad deal and our new owners wanted a better deal to help achieve all above things. I understand telling you all to have patience is not wise (based on previous experience when I said this before and it didnt go down well!!), but Rome wasnt built in a day. When you got the owners since day one tell us all about evolution not revolution etc etc, then what are people really surprised at? I think negative rumours have had a massive impact on a change of fans opinions against the new owners. Why cant we do what we are great at doing, which is give the team 100% win, lose or draw? And let the guys in charge get on and do their jobs that they are trying to do. We can only have impact on what happens on the pitch by being the 12th man. We should all quit trying to have an impact on what happens off the pitch because that is what creates the negative vibe around the club.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jan 7, 2018 17:01:46 GMT
Sorry, but comments like this are just moronic. Taylor wouldn't have signed unless the release clause was put into his contract. Taylors agent and the club agreed on 300K. The board did the best they could at the time to keep Taylor who I had offers from 20 other League 1 teams. Keeping DC, keeping Taylor for the extra half a year etc, wouldn't have happened under the old board. moronic? Don't think so, the old board were plebs yeh, but they would of got far more than 300K. Are you sticking up for the club on these deals?, it's pathetic, I'll watch this club till I die, but I won't stick my head up there ass,when I think there wrong. And clearly they are on what we've received for our BEST players. Moronic. We got 300K for Taylor instead of nothing. The old board would not have got more because that’s what Taylor and his agent insisted on, not too hard a concept to grasp. Sticking up/implying they did the best they could with the card they were dealt - you choose
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Post by pirate on Jan 7, 2018 17:04:51 GMT
By and large I've remained fairly positive and supportive of our owners. However, with so many negative rumours, the collapse of the UWE deal and the Colony stalling I have started to become a little worried. I'm pinning a lot on this transfer window. A good show of support for DC will be massive. Anything less and I think the owners will really be in danger of losing the fans. What do others feel?Evolution not revolution has always been stated from day one. In any update they have continuously stated the same motto. They have said many times they wont throw money at things. They have said many times that they want to rebuild the club from scratch. They have said many times that their main focus to begin with is the youth set up getting things right in that area is key for the future of our club. Unless they are prepared to spend many millions of pounds on youth facilities and big money a year to run an academy, then there isn't much point. The bigger clubs can just come and poach youth players for peanuts these days thanks to the Elite Player Performance Plan - Brentford scrapped their youth academy recently as a result.
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