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Post by pirate on Jun 11, 2018 12:47:25 GMT
He was the best left back in my 39 years of watching the Gas though. (I don't count Vaughan Jones as he was a right footed centre back who was asked to play left back). Bola didn't look as good as Lee Brown was when he was 20. Not quite sure I agree wth that. Think Brown was 21/22 when he first joined - LB was also playing in L2 when he first joined compared to Bola playing in L1. Judging from Notts County fans, Bola was excellent in L2 before he joined us. They’re very different players though tbf No, lavalamp was right, Browner was 20 when he joined us.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 11, 2018 12:56:49 GMT
Hardly closer to London is it? What 30 minutes? We could have got a fee for Brown but have let our only LB go for free to a L1 play off rival. We’re not very good at negotiating the release of our players at all are we? Unless we start signing new players on 10 year deals we are always going to risk losing them cheap, or free, as they approach the end of the usual 1 or 2 year deals. It's easy to say we should have players tied into contracts but how many would have wanted to give Bodin a long term when he completed his trial with us after coming back from a year long ACL injury or how many of us saw such massive potential in Taylor - someone who was previously playing out wide or sat on the bench at Forest Green? It works both ways and we benefit from signing players at the end of their existing deals - Upson being a recent example. We should just get used to it as that's the way football is these days. We may view players as business commodities but they are human beings, cleverer than many think and will only sign deals when it is in their interests to do so. Sure, but contracts aren’t so simple as we sign a contract for 2 years and we only sign a new one when that one runs out. I think De Bruyne is an example of this - had a few years left with Man City, they tied him down to 5 years even wth that left on his contract. I’m not saying we should offer players 5 years, but Taylor for example should have been offered a better contract when we were promoted to L1. At least in January when it was our first season back in L1. Look at Peterborough for example, how often to do you about them losing their best players for ten pence or free? I’m saying we need to improve in how we deal with contracts because this is quickly becoming a reoccurring theme. I’m sure Sercombe will run out next season - if we don’t go up, what’s to stop him from leaving for free in the summer? Perhaps we should start looking to offer players an extension earlier. How is it we end up losing our best players for nothin but ended up having Mildenhall on the books for years because he kept renewing his contracts through clauses? I just don’t think we’re very good at this bit. I’m hoping the new 2 people (CEO and recruiter) can help in this problem and offer some experience
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Post by Gassy on Jun 11, 2018 13:00:56 GMT
Not quite sure I agree wth that. Think Brown was 21/22 when he first joined - LB was also playing in L2 when he first joined compared to Bola playing in L1. Judging from Notts County fans, Bola was excellent in L2 before he joined us. They’re very different players though tbf No, lavalamp was right, Browner was 20 when he joined us. Ok, but the rest still stands
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Post by LJG on Jun 11, 2018 13:06:07 GMT
Can you negotiate the release of a player if they're out of contract and don't want to sign a new deal? Didn’t want to sign a new deal? He wasn’t even offered. He came to DC to tell him he wants to leave. In Lee’s words (roughly), “I think the gaffa was a bit surprised, I think he was expecting me to ask for a new contract if I’m honest” Why wasn’t it communicated earlier other than right at the death? Could we have sold him in January? Could we have had more time to prepare in scouting for the LB position? All I’m saying is we could have done more - this is now the 3rd player in a row we’ve been screwed over by contracts. If you’re happy with how our contract negotiations are going then fair play to you. But because we’ve poorly managed contracts we’ve lost Taylor (nearly for free) on he cheap, Bodin on the cheap and now Brown for free. And guess what, they al went to teams that finished above us in the table. Sounds like we need to improve in that area - I’d love to hear anyone’s thoughts if they think we’re doing so well on this topic I mean ... sure ... anything to bash the club with I suppose. Players leave. Move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 13:07:27 GMT
A bit easier for Man City who are top of the prem - only a few clubs would be seen as a step up and they have a bottomless pit of cash meaning misjudged contract decisions are not as potentially damaging as a lower league club. Does Pep have to shuffle within 'a top six' budget like DC does!!!
Peterborough have their own way of dealing with contracts. I understand they automatically transfer list anyone who gets within a year of contract ending and not yet signed the fresh terms offered. I'm not sure I would want us to follow that - prefer our prudent approach even if it means we lose out from time to time but pick up a few quality freebies along the way too.
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Post by pirate on Jun 11, 2018 13:11:29 GMT
I'm just looking forward to seeing who we bring in to replace him with now.
We're looking to sign two left backs according to DC.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 11, 2018 13:21:35 GMT
Didn’t want to sign a new deal? He wasn’t even offered. He came to DC to tell him he wants to leave. In Lee’s words (roughly), “I think the gaffa was a bit surprised, I think he was expecting me to ask for a new contract if I’m honest” Why wasn’t it communicated earlier other than right at the death? Could we have sold him in January? Could we have had more time to prepare in scouting for the LB position? All I’m saying is we could have done more - this is now the 3rd player in a row we’ve been screwed over by contracts. If you’re happy with how our contract negotiations are going then fair play to you. But because we’ve poorly managed contracts we’ve lost Taylor (nearly for free) on he cheap, Bodin on the cheap and now Brown for free. And guess what, they al went to teams that finished above us in the table. Sounds like we need to improve in that area - I’d love to hear anyone’s thoughts if they think we’re doing so well on this topic I mean ... sure ... anything to bash the club with I suppose. Players leave. Move on. I think this is the first time I’ve openly said something negative on here about the club. But sure, you know best! In regards to Eric with man city, you’re talking about the wrong point. I’m not comparing us to them, I’m giving you an example where you’ve probably heard about it. Of corse, you’ve focused on the wrong point though. Many clubs extend the contracts of their own players before the last day they run out. But if you all want to live in a land where you think our contracts are perfect, be my guest! But just ask yourself, do you think we could have got more money for our recent sales? how is it that teams like Luton can make millions from players? Peterborough are holding for £6.5m for their striker. We seem to be the only ones who consistently let our best players go for 1/10th of their value.
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Post by lavalamp on Jun 11, 2018 13:26:03 GMT
I mean ... sure ... anything to bash the club with I suppose. Players leave. Move on. I think this is the first time I’ve openly said something negative on here about the club. But sure, you know best! In regards to Eric with man city, you’re talking about the wrong point. I’m not comparing us to them, I’m giving you an example where you’ve probably heard about it. Of corse, you’ve focused on the wrong point though. Many clubs extend the contracts of their own players before the last day they run out. But if you all want to live in a land where you think our contracts are perfect, be my guest! But just ask yourself, do you think we could have got more money for our recent sales? how is it that teams like Luton can make millions from players? Peterborough are holding for £6.5m for their striker. We seem to be the only ones who consistently let our best players go for 1/10th of their value. What players? Taylor is certainly not a 4 million pound player.
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Post by pirate on Jun 11, 2018 13:30:48 GMT
I mean ... sure ... anything to bash the club with I suppose. Players leave. Move on. I think this is the first time I’ve openly said something negative on here about the club. But sure, you know best! In regards to Eric with man city, you’re talking about the wrong point. I’m not comparing us to them, I’m giving you an example where you’ve probably heard about it. Of corse, you’ve focused on the wrong point though. Many clubs extend the contracts of their own players before the last day they run out. But if you all want to live in a land where you think our contracts are perfect, be my guest! But just ask yourself, do you think we could have got more money for our recent sales? how is it that teams like Luton can make millions from players? Peterborough are holding for £6.5m for their striker. We seem to be the only ones who consistently let our best players go for 1/10th of their value. I agree the contract situation with Taylor and Bodin wasn't handled very well, but I don't really want to get into all that again, as it's been done to death on this forum. Hopefully in the future if we have to sell our best players we can get a fee that reflects their true value. Talking of that, I wonder if we're negotiating with Ellis and Sercs about new contracts?
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Post by hollyhillgas on Jun 11, 2018 13:36:03 GMT
Give Michael Kelly a chance. There's cover to January if needed, Craig, Clarke have both played LB
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 13:39:55 GMT
I mean ... sure ... anything to bash the club with I suppose. Players leave. Move on. I think this is the first time I’ve openly said something negative on here about the club. But sure, you know best! In regards to Eric with man city, you’re talking about the wrong point. I’m not comparing us to them, I’m giving you an example where you’ve probably heard about it. Of corse, you’ve focused on the wrong point though. Many clubs extend the contracts of their own players before the last day they run out. But if you all want to live in a land where you think our contracts are perfect, be my guest! But just ask yourself, do you think we could have got more money for our recent sales? how is it that teams like Luton can make millions from players? Peterborough are holding for £6.5m for their striker. We seem to be the only ones who consistently let our best players go for 1/10th of their value. I don't think our method is perfect but it's the way BRFC have chosen to do business. The post bosman contract and transfer system is heavily weighted to players and probably rightly so. I don't think we'll move away from our conservative approach with the current owners and I'm not sure I would want us to go the other way and dish out too many long term deals, for the odd case where a player blossoms and we lose out on a fee there will be plenty more who gradually go backwards and it helps us when we are not stuck with them. There are probably only a very small number of cases where lower league players have gone for mega bucks. I would guess most clubs operate in a similar way to us?
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Post by pirate on Jun 11, 2018 13:41:10 GMT
I think this is the first time I’ve openly said something negative on here about the club. But sure, you know best! In regards to Eric with man city, you’re talking about the wrong point. I’m not comparing us to them, I’m giving you an example where you’ve probably heard about it. Of corse, you’ve focused on the wrong point though. Many clubs extend the contracts of their own players before the last day they run out. But if you all want to live in a land where you think our contracts are perfect, be my guest! But just ask yourself, do you think we could have got more money for our recent sales? how is it that teams like Luton can make millions from players? Peterborough are holding for £6.5m for their striker. We seem to be the only ones who consistently let our best players go for 1/10th of their value. What players? Taylor is certainly not a 4 million pound player. A player who scored 68 goals from 132 games for us, including 16 from 27 League One appearances, could and should have been commanding a £2-3 million fee in the current market. Similary for a winger who scored 37 goals in 81 starts for us. (Damn...i said I wasn't going to get into this debate again! Argh!!)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 13:42:27 GMT
Give Michael Kelly a chance. There's cover to January if needed, Craig, Clarke have both played LB Kelly looked promising in his cameo appearance and seems to have done really well since joining the development squad. I wouldn't want to drop him straight in as first choice from the start of the season but would be happy with him as a second choice so IMO no need to bring in 2 new left backs.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jun 11, 2018 13:42:34 GMT
He was the best left back in my 39 years of watching the Gas though. (I don't count Vaughan Jones as he was a right footed centre back who was asked to play left back). Bola didn't look as good as Lee Brown was when he was 20. Not quite sure I agree wth that. Think Brown was 21/22 when he first joined - LB was also playing in L2 when he first joined compared to Bola playing in L1. Judging from Notts County fans, Bola was excellent in L2 before he joined us. They’re very different players though tbf I do count Joner, who was a far better left back and all round footballer than Browner. Vaughan could use both feet, his right foot was dominant, a very hard tackler, he was a leader of men, fantastic defender and captained the club to what is now the championship. Lee has been a consistent performer, been a loyal servant to BRFC and deserves his move to what is a bigger club who are able to pay players more money than Waq & Hani, best of luck to Lee and his family, he will always get a good welcome at the MEM.
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Post by pirate on Jun 11, 2018 13:43:50 GMT
Give Michael Kelly a chance. There's cover to January if needed, Craig, Clarke have both played LB Kelly has good potential and will hopefully provide good competition, but we need to sign at least one quality player with a bit more experience in the role.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 11, 2018 13:55:25 GMT
I think this is the first time I’ve openly said something negative on here about the club. But sure, you know best! In regards to Eric with man city, you’re talking about the wrong point. I’m not comparing us to them, I’m giving you an example where you’ve probably heard about it. Of corse, you’ve focused on the wrong point though. Many clubs extend the contracts of their own players before the last day they run out. But if you all want to live in a land where you think our contracts are perfect, be my guest! But just ask yourself, do you think we could have got more money for our recent sales? how is it that teams like Luton can make millions from players? Peterborough are holding for £6.5m for their striker. We seem to be the only ones who consistently let our best players go for 1/10th of their value. I agree the contract situation with Taylor and Bodin wasn't handled very well, but I don't really want to get into all that again, as it's been done to death on this forum. Hopefully in the future if we have to sell our best players we can get a fee that reflects their true value. Talking of that, I wonder if we're negotiating with Ellis and Sercs about new contracts? I hope so pirate, I really do. We can not afford to be in this position again. This is really the only point I wanted to raise. Thanks for the discussions chaps
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Post by Squiffy on Jun 11, 2018 14:08:21 GMT
He's earned his move to a big club. Good luck Lee. big club LOL i wish him well except when they play us.... Put a fast winger on his side of the pitch will make him blush Eisner seems to think they are a big club fallen on hard times. Seems they have a different perspective on their local uni! www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-44226655
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 11, 2018 14:16:47 GMT
big club LOL i wish him well except when they play us.... Put a fast winger on his side of the pitch will make him blush Eisner seems to think they are a big club fallen on hard times. Seems they have a different perspective on their local uni! www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-44226655LOL I wonder what would happen on here if UWE was our new Sponsor......... At least a 100 Pager on UWE being built....
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 11, 2018 14:18:23 GMT
Browner has left the right way if I'm honest. No axe to grind from me.
He's been loyal to the core, has had a better offer and has been totally up front to the club and to the fans.
Lets face facts, Pompey are a bigger club with a higher chance to progress quicker than us. As a FB he is in his peak years so if there was ever a chance to move forward then this was it.
What i find strange is from some quarters of our fans, he was being slagged off as not up to it in L1 and had been found out...?? Now we should have put him on a long contract and gotten a fee for him, it cant work both ways.
Best of luck Lee, you deserve every success.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jun 11, 2018 14:29:10 GMT
Give Michael Kelly a chance. There's cover to January if needed, Craig, Clarke have both played LB
I'm sort of hoping it was all part of the plan to put Craig at LB, especially given that he was handed quite a long contract for his age, and a sort of promise to get game action.
Sadly these days most teams at our level have 2 towering, strong Centre Backs, and whilst we could get away with, say Broadbent & Locks in the centre, Locks and Craig is a combination that does not fill me with much confidence, and is certainly not physical enough.
And we have a lot of centre backs, quite a few right backs (or players who can play either of those), and no left backs. Surely something has to give?
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