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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 22:20:09 GMT
Taylor: could have left for nothing, stayed only with a release clause, resulting in us getting as much as we possibly could for him. Bodin: ran his contract down knowing that a move was likely. Again, what else caould we have done if he wanted to test himself at a higher level? Brown; years of loyal service he gave us deserved to be rewarded by us not making it difficult for him by demanding what would have been a relatively small fee (clubs don't pay millions for Lge 1 full backs, even quality ones like Lee). A bit like how Pompey treated Bennett actually. I’m not sure you’re getting it mate, I’m saying we should actually act before they run out, not the day they run out. Taylor especially could have been avoided if we’d sorted a contract before, rather than allowing him to bend over backwards with a 300k release fee Bennett at Pompey is completely different as they clearly didn’t want the player - why else would they pay up his contract? Hindsight is great isn't it? From memory, Taylor signed his last contract (the one that contained the release clause) around the time we were promoted from League 2. At that time, he was very aware of his worth, having scored lots of goals over the previous two seasons, and therefore held all the aces in contract negotiations. Effectively it seems to have been a case of he went for nothing there and then, or was going to go as soon as someone met the release clause. So how exactly should Rovers have dealt with the situation earlier? It would have been one hell of a gamble to have tied him down to a longer, more lucrative contract at the time we were promoted from the Conference, bearing in mind that at that time he had played no league football and was therefore completely unproven. No-one knew then that this player who had only played in non league would score 40 odd goals in the next season and a half. To my mind, it was just a case of timing. This one worked against us, although the uproar was possibly more to do with where he went, but that's another story. The alternative approach is to offer players 3 year deals at the earliest opportunity, but we've seen where that leads before. If we were Man City it would be different, but we're not and we have to cut our cloth accordingly. Unfortunately sometimes that will mean us getting less than we feel a player should be worth. You may be right about Bennett and the reason Pompey let hom go for nothing. However with Brown, what sort of fee would we have got for a left back had we dug our heels in? £50,000 maybe? £75,000? Whatever the fee, it wasn't going to be so astronomical that it would have been worth playing hardball for, not with a player whose loyalty and service to us demanded that he be treated fairly when he decided the time was right to move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 22:27:56 GMT
For league one they are big, better stadium than us, been in the prem in the last 10 years, won an FA cup and been in Europe. But, apart from all that??? Apart from that they are in the same division as us and only finished 5 places above us.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 22:32:23 GMT
But, apart from all that??? Apart from that they are in the same division as us and only finished 5 places above us. True, and at the moment we are similar in stature. But Portsmouth would appear from the outside at least to be better equipped to get promoted and stay there than we are.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 23:18:43 GMT
Taylor: could have left for nothing, stayed only with a release clause, resulting in us getting as much as we possibly could for him. Bodin: ran his contract down knowing that a move was likely. Again, what else caould we have done if he wanted to test himself at a higher level? Brown; years of loyal service he gave us deserved to be rewarded by us not making it difficult for him by demanding what would have been a relatively small fee (clubs don't pay millions for Lge 1 full backs, even quality ones like Lee). A bit like how Pompey treated Bennett actually. I’m not sure you’re getting it mate, I’m saying we should actually act before they run out, not the day they run out. Taylor especially could have been avoided if we’d sorted a contract before, rather than allowing him to bend over backwards with a 300k release fee Bennett at Pompey is completely different as they clearly didn’t want the player - why else would they pay up his contract? Both dc and hamer told us that bodin was offered a new contact well before he went to preston,when billy was given a 2 year deal after a late burst a good form in league 2 the club gave him a 2 year contract which made perfect sense at the time . Dc would have known lee browns contact was running down. Lee would surely have wanted a 2 year contract but we have no idea if dc offered that or wanted to offer that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 23:21:07 GMT
Apart from that they are in the same division as us and only finished 5 places above us. True, and at the moment we are similar in stature. But Portsmouth would appear from the outside at least to be better equipped to get promoted and stay there than we are. Possibly although they had seven players on loan last season and lost naismith to wigan so its not all plain sailing imo.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 12, 2018 6:05:08 GMT
I’m not sure you’re getting it mate, I’m saying we should actually act before they run out, not the day they run out. Taylor especially could have been avoided if we’d sorted a contract before, rather than allowing him to bend over backwards with a 300k release fee Bennett at Pompey is completely different as they clearly didn’t want the player - why else would they pay up his contract? Hindsight is great isn't it? From memory, Taylor signed his last contract (the one that contained the release clause) around the time we were promoted from League 2. At that time, he was very aware of his worth, having scored lots of goals over the previous two seasons, and therefore held all the aces in contract negotiations. Effectively it seems to have been a case of he went for nothing there and then, or was going to go as soon as someone met the release clause. So how exactly should Rovers have dealt with the situation earlier? It would have been one hell of a gamble to have tied him down to a longer, more lucrative contract at the time we were promoted from the Conference, bearing in mind that at that time he had played no league football and was therefore completely unproven. No-one knew then that this player who had only played in non league would score 40 odd goals in the next season and a half. To my mind, it was just a case of timing. This one worked against us, although the uproar was possibly more to do with where he went, but that's another story. The alternative approach is to offer players 3 year deals at the earliest opportunity, but we've seen where that leads before. If we were Man City it would be different, but we're not and we have to cut our cloth accordingly. Unfortunately sometimes that will mean us getting less than we feel a player should be worth. You may be right about Bennett and the reason Pompey let hom go for nothing. However with Brown, what sort of fee would we have got for a left back had we dug our heels in? £50,000 maybe? £75,000? Whatever the fee, it wasn't going to be so astronomical that it would have been worth playing hardball for, not with a player whose loyalty and service to us demanded that he be treated fairly when he decided the time was right to move on. What I’m saying it that we should have extended his contract mid way through league 2, not at the death of the season. We knew if we went up or not that we would want to keep him, so why wait until he leaves for free/holds all the cards? I actually ageee with 2 year contracts rather than 3, I think it was Trollope who taught us that lesson? I’m saying we need to manage them better before they expire not as they expire, that’s all
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Post by Gassy on Jun 12, 2018 6:12:56 GMT
I’m not sure you’re getting it mate, I’m saying we should actually act before they run out, not the day they run out. Taylor especially could have been avoided if we’d sorted a contract before, rather than allowing him to bend over backwards with a 300k release fee Bennett at Pompey is completely different as they clearly didn’t want the player - why else would they pay up his contract? Both dc and hamer told us that bodin was offered a new contact well before he went to preston,when billy was given a 2 year deal after a late burst a good form in league 2 the club gave him a 2 year contract which made perfect sense at the time . Dc would have known lee browns contact was running down. Lee would surely have wanted a 2 year contract but we have no idea if dc offered that or wanted to offer that. Tbf, can’t really argue with you - the club did pretty much everything they could with Bodin. I do understand where you’re all coming from - it’s just I am frustrated at always losing our players for peanuts and while we’re at it, being the only ones to consistently lose them for peanuts. Something there does need to improve, we’re obviously not getting a new stadium in the short term and we’re obviously a selling club. So when we do sell players to stay afloat, let’s get their value for once. If we had got the fee they deserved, we wouldn’t have been operating at a loss the last 2 years. We have 2 real players of value left in the squad in Harisson and Sercombe. I imagine their contracts are up end of the season (2018/19). Wouldn’t you rather we start contract talks with them both in around October, before they’re able to speak freely to other clubs in January who start turning theirs with salaries etc? That way if they do go, we get the fee they’re worth
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 6:19:53 GMT
Hindsight is great isn't it? From memory, Taylor signed his last contract (the one that contained the release clause) around the time we were promoted from League 2. At that time, he was very aware of his worth, having scored lots of goals over the previous two seasons, and therefore held all the aces in contract negotiations. Effectively it seems to have been a case of he went for nothing there and then, or was going to go as soon as someone met the release clause. So how exactly should Rovers have dealt with the situation earlier? It would have been one hell of a gamble to have tied him down to a longer, more lucrative contract at the time we were promoted from the Conference, bearing in mind that at that time he had played no league football and was therefore completely unproven. No-one knew then that this player who had only played in non league would score 40 odd goals in the next season and a half. To my mind, it was just a case of timing. This one worked against us, although the uproar was possibly more to do with where he went, but that's another story. The alternative approach is to offer players 3 year deals at the earliest opportunity, but we've seen where that leads before. If we were Man City it would be different, but we're not and we have to cut our cloth accordingly. Unfortunately sometimes that will mean us getting less than we feel a player should be worth. You may be right about Bennett and the reason Pompey let hom go for nothing. However with Brown, what sort of fee would we have got for a left back had we dug our heels in? £50,000 maybe? £75,000? Whatever the fee, it wasn't going to be so astronomical that it would have been worth playing hardball for, not with a player whose loyalty and service to us demanded that he be treated fairly when he decided the time was right to move on. What I’m saying it that we should have extended his contract mid way through league 2, not at the death of the season. We knew if we went up or not that we would want to keep him, so why wait until he leaves for free/holds all the cards? I actually ageee with 2 year contracts rather than 3, I think it was Trollope who taught us that lesson? I’m saying we need to manage them better before they expire not as they expire, that’s all But who's to say we didn't try at that point? Taylor has always been confident in his ability and has always said he wanted to play as high as possible - but just because he was scoring in League 2 doesn't guarantee he'd be prolific in League 1. In my opinion there was nothing we could have done and we did everything logically right and just got caught on timing and a player who had his head turned. With Bodin I hold similar views - we continually offered new contracts but he didn't want to commit - in both situations the players held the power
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 6:36:29 GMT
True, and at the moment we are similar in stature. But Portsmouth would appear from the outside at least to be better equipped to get promoted and stay there than we are. Possibly although they had seven players on loan last season and lost naismith to wigan so its not all plain sailing imo. Fair comment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 6:41:38 GMT
Both dc and hamer told us that bodin was offered a new contact well before he went to preston,when billy was given a 2 year deal after a late burst a good form in league 2 the club gave him a 2 year contract which made perfect sense at the time . Dc would have known lee browns contact was running down. Lee would surely have wanted a 2 year contract but we have no idea if dc offered that or wanted to offer that. Tbf, can’t really argue with you - the club did pretty much everything they could with Bodin. I do understand where you’re all coming from - it’s just I am frustrated at always losing our players for peanuts and while we’re at it, being the only ones to consistently lose them for peanuts. Something there does need to improve, we’re obviously not getting a new stadium in the short term and we’re obviously a selling club. So when we do sell players to stay afloat, let’s get their value for once. If we had got the fee they deserved, we wouldn’t have been operating at a loss the last 2 years. We have 2 real players of value left in the squad in Harisson and Sercombe. I imagine their contracts are up end of the season (2018/19). Wouldn’t you rather we start contract talks with them both in around October, before they’re able to speak freely to other clubs in January who start turning theirs with salaries etc? That way if they do go, we get the fee they’re worth Yes, definitely. And if we're not trying then I would agree completely that there's something wrong in how we approach theae matters. But we don't know. We also need to near in mind the player's view. If you were either of Harrison or Sercombe, would you sign? You'd have an agent in your ear telling you your true value and earnings potential...there's still a big chance they will leave for less than we'd like even if a contract extension is offered now.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 12, 2018 7:14:38 GMT
What I’m saying it that we should have extended his contract mid way through league 2, not at the death of the season. We knew if we went up or not that we would want to keep him, so why wait until he leaves for free/holds all the cards? I actually ageee with 2 year contracts rather than 3, I think it was Trollope who taught us that lesson? I’m saying we need to manage them better before they expire not as they expire, that’s all But who's to say we didn't try at that point? Taylor has always been confident in his ability and has always said he wanted to play as high as possible - but just because he was scoring in League 2 doesn't guarantee he'd be prolific in League 1. In my opinion there was nothing we could have done and we did everything logically right and just got caught on timing and a player who had his head turned. With Bodin I hold similar views - we continually offered new contracts but he didn't want to commit - in both situations the players held the power Perhaps we did offer him a contract, but I personally doubt it. We were so vocal about offering players contracts, why not Taylor? As with Bodin, I agree though, we couldn't have really done much more
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Post by badengas on Jun 12, 2018 8:01:17 GMT
I'm sure we can find better out in the market, all depends how deep our pockets are BOLA it is then ! The Beard will be our first choice left back.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jun 12, 2018 9:07:28 GMT
Tbf, can’t really argue with you - the club did pretty much everything they could with Bodin. I do understand where you’re all coming from - it’s just I am frustrated at always losing our players for peanuts and while we’re at it, being the only ones to consistently lose them for peanuts. Something there does need to improve, we’re obviously not getting a new stadium in the short term and we’re obviously a selling club. So when we do sell players to stay afloat, let’s get their value for once. If we had got the fee they deserved, we wouldn’t have been operating at a loss the last 2 years. We have 2 real players of value left in the squad in Harisson and Sercombe. I imagine their contracts are up end of the season (2018/19). Wouldn’t you rather we start contract talks with them both in around October, before they’re able to speak freely to other clubs in January who start turning theirs with salaries etc? That way if they do go, we get the fee they’re worth Yes, definitely. And if we're not trying then I would agree completely that there's something wrong in how we approach theae matters. But we don't know. We also need to near in mind the player's view. If you were either of Harrison or Sercombe, would you sign? You'd have an agent in your ear telling you your true value and earnings potential...there's still a big chance they will leave for less than we'd like even if a contract extension is offered now. I think Locks is potentially worth more than either. Excellent CV with international caps and captaincy under his belt. Very experienced for one so young. If he starts the season well he’ll be worth big money.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 9:20:32 GMT
Both dc and hamer told us that bodin was offered a new contact well before he went to preston,when billy was given a 2 year deal after a late burst a good form in league 2 the club gave him a 2 year contract which made perfect sense at the time . Dc would have known lee browns contact was running down. Lee would surely have wanted a 2 year contract but we have no idea if dc offered that or wanted to offer that. Tbf, can’t really argue with you - the club did pretty much everything they could with Bodin. I do understand where you’re all coming from - it’s just I am frustrated at always losing our players for peanuts and while we’re at it, being the only ones to consistently lose them for peanuts. Something there does need to improve, we’re obviously not getting a new stadium in the short term and we’re obviously a selling club. So when we do sell players to stay afloat, let’s get their value for once. If we had got the fee they deserved, we wouldn’t have been operating at a loss the last 2 years. We have 2 real players of value left in the squad in Harisson and Sercombe. I imagine their contracts are up end of the season (2018/19). Wouldn’t you rather we start contract talks with them both in around October, before they’re able to speak freely to other clubs in January who start turning theirs with salaries etc? That way if they do go, we get the fee they’re worth With harrison and sercombe we now know how good they can be but it might already be too late to persuade them to sign a new deal. I believe the club are trying to produce and bring in players with good potential sell on value. In theory mensah,nichols,menayese and new boy matthews come into this category,also tommy widdrington is now at the club looking for talent so hopefully we will improve in this area.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 12, 2018 9:24:22 GMT
2nd May - Yep true about Locks, I agree though, it's all about how he starts next season after a shaky start last season.
bluebutterfly - I agree, I mean I guess thats the aim for all clubs though - lets just make sure we get that fee though! Tbf, I think if we offered Sercombe a contract before Christmas, he'd sign it happily. Harrison though I'm not sure - I get the feeling his ear is easily turned
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Post by pirate on Jun 12, 2018 10:56:30 GMT
Yes, definitely. And if we're not trying then I would agree completely that there's something wrong in how we approach theae matters. But we don't know. We also need to near in mind the player's view. If you were either of Harrison or Sercombe, would you sign? You'd have an agent in your ear telling you your true value and earnings potential...there's still a big chance they will leave for less than we'd like even if a contract extension is offered now. I think Locks is potentially worth more than either. Excellent CV with international caps and captaincy under his belt. Very experienced for one so young. If he starts the season well he’ll be worth big money. It's a good job he signed a new contract back in January then.
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Post by tommym9 on Jun 12, 2018 10:58:41 GMT
Best of luck to Browner. I hope he's a success for them.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 12, 2018 11:22:31 GMT
Best of luck to Browner. I hope he's a success for them. A bit off topic!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 13:20:35 GMT
Yes, definitely. And if we're not trying then I would agree completely that there's something wrong in how we approach theae matters. But we don't know. We also need to near in mind the player's view. If you were either of Harrison or Sercombe, would you sign? You'd have an agent in your ear telling you your true value and earnings potential...there's still a big chance they will leave for less than we'd like even if a contract extension is offered now. I think Locks is potentially worth more than either. Excellent CV with international caps and captaincy under his belt. Very experienced for one so young. If he starts the season well he’ll be worth big money. [brl] Very good shout.
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Post by HorndeanGas on Jun 18, 2018 18:06:13 GMT
Shame he's gone to Pompey still give a clap when we go to Fratton park
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