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Post by oldgas on Jun 11, 2018 14:44:21 GMT
I wonder if the reason for Browner going to Portsmouth is a lot more Macheavalian than anyone supposes?
What if, in January Jackett said to DC "we'll agree to buy out Bennets contract so he can sign for you, if you have a word with Brown to see if he'll come to us"
A day later and DC phones Jackett "I've spoken with my lad, he's happy to come to you, but can we leave that until the close season"?
Jackett "Sounds good to me, I'll start the paperwork"
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Post by Gassy on Jun 11, 2018 14:46:14 GMT
Browner has left the right way if I'm honest. No axe to grind from me. He's been loyal to the core, has had a better offer and has been totally up front to the club and to the fans. Lets face facts, Pompey are a bigger club with a higher chance to progress quicker than us. As a FB he is in his peak years so if there was ever a chance to move forward then this was it. What i find strange is from some quarters of our fans, he was being slagged off as not up to it in L1 and had been found out...?? Now we should have put him on a long contract and gotten a fee for him, it cant work both ways. Best of luck Lee, you deserve every success. But they're different fans, so the point is void. Some fans said he's been found out, that is their opinion. I think we should have tied our players down longer/smarter, that is my opinion. Has nothing to do with having it both ways, but please feel free to quote me where I have stated that Brown has been found out/not up to it
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Post by gregsy on Jun 11, 2018 15:34:12 GMT
I wonder if the reason for Browner going to Portsmouth is a lot more Macheavalian than anyone supposes? What if, in January Jackett said to DC "we'll agree to buy out Bennets contract so he can sign for you, if you have a word with Brown to see if he'll come to us" A day later and DC phones Jackett "I've spoken with my lad, he's happy to come to you, but can we leave that until the close season"? Jackett "Sounds good to me, I'll start the paperwork" Interesting idea, but Darrell said that browner approached him about his decision to leave whilst Bennett was already here. And I trust those words personally....
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Post by gaelgas on Jun 11, 2018 15:34:16 GMT
Hardly closer to London is it? What 30 minutes? We could have got a fee for Brown but have let our only LB go for free to a L1 play off rival. We’re not very good at negotiating the release of our players at all are we? So about a third off the journey then, and a lot closer to Farnborough.
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Post by beaver132 on Jun 11, 2018 16:14:49 GMT
Hardly closer to London is it? What 30 minutes? We could have got a fee for Brown but have let our only LB go for free to a L1 play off rival. We’re not very good at negotiating the release of our players at all are we? Straight down the A3 from South London, quicker from the suburbs. Probably save him an hour each way.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jun 11, 2018 16:20:14 GMT
Can you negotiate the release of a player if they're out of contract and don't want to sign a new deal? Didn’t want to sign a new deal? He wasn’t even offered. He came to DC to tell him he wants to leave. In Lee’s words (roughly), “I think the gaffa was a bit surprised, I think he was expecting me to ask for a new contract if I’m honest” Why wasn’t it communicated earlier other than right at the death? Could we have sold him in January? Could we have had more time to prepare in scouting for the LB position? All I’m saying is we could have done more - this is now the 3rd player in a row we’ve been screwed over by contracts. If you’re happy with how our contract negotiations are going then fair play to you. But because we’ve poorly managed contracts we’ve lost Taylor (nearly for free) on he cheap, Bodin on the cheap and now Brown for free. And guess what, they al went to teams that finished above us in the table. Sounds like we need to improve in that area - I’d love to hear anyone’s thoughts if they think we’re doing so well on this topic Not sure why something negative is being made out of this, we have plenty of time to find a replacement. Wish Lee the best of luck, but from a Rovers standpoint I did feel like he hit his ceiling with mid table league one, and I'm not sure he would cut it in the league above. Echo the poster that thought he would end up at a Wycombe type club.
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Post by madgas on Jun 11, 2018 16:26:30 GMT
I love browner and on the one hand I’m pleased he’s on to a good club. On the other- alarm bells should be ringing. He was playing under a manager that likes fullbacks high up and supports browners strengths.
He’s going to a team that we’re prepared to let someone as cultured as Benno leave for free. In October there was a player suggesting all Portsmouth did was practice setplays.
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Post by smudge1 on Jun 11, 2018 16:49:22 GMT
Told you all this before the season had ended!! Trust me I'm a Doctor... I wish him all the best, but he has doubled his wages so cannot blame him. I agree that this was signed and sealed at the time of the Bennett move! Business interests and London was just a red herring....
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Post by smudge1 on Jun 11, 2018 16:50:31 GMT
By the way in my eyes he will always be a legend wherever he plays (apart from the sh**)
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Post by thegasfc on Jun 11, 2018 16:50:58 GMT
Dont know if this has been posted but-
"The expectation level at Bristol Rovers was quite high. Although it’s probably not as big a club, the fans there still expect massive things. In League One they expected us to get to the Championship last year and the season before."
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 11, 2018 17:01:47 GMT
I wonder if the reason for Browner going to Portsmouth is a lot more Macheavalian than anyone supposes? What if, in January Jackett said to DC "we'll agree to buy out Bennets contract so he can sign for you, if you have a word with Brown to see if he'll come to us" A day later and DC phones Jackett "I've spoken with my lad, he's happy to come to you, but can we leave that until the close season"? Jackett "Sounds good to me, I'll start the paperwork" Interesting idea, but Darrell said that browner approached him about his decision to leave whilst Bennett was already here. And I trust those words personally.... DC also said the reason for leaving was "personal reasons" but it now seems they are far more to the move. Although little we can do to stop a player quitting for a better offer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 17:03:50 GMT
Good luck to Browner on his move, however Portsmouth will require a lot more than Lee Brown to get them out our league.
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Post by aforce on Jun 11, 2018 17:41:33 GMT
Great move for lee as I for one believe that he is not a good enough full back if you want to be a top 6 league one club.
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Post by Langford Gas on Jun 11, 2018 17:47:33 GMT
I'm sure we can find better out in the market, all depends how deep our pockets are BOLA it is then ! He was the best left back in my 39 years of watching the Gas though. (I don't count Vaughan Jones as he was a right footed centre back who was asked to play left back). Bola didn't look as good as Lee Brown was when he was 20. For me Brown was consistent but not spectacular,always vulnerable without a monkhouse type player in front of him and certainly no better than Brian Williams to mention just one . How about Neil Slatter was he right or left back, can't remember
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 18:01:53 GMT
He was the best left back in my 39 years of watching the Gas though. (I don't count Vaughan Jones as he was a right footed centre back who was asked to play left back). Bola didn't look as good as Lee Brown was when he was 20. For me Brown was consistent but not spectacular,always vulnerable without a monkhouse type player in front of him and certainly no better than Brian Williams to mention just one . How about Neil Slatter was he right or left back, can't remember He was a left back.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jun 11, 2018 18:02:35 GMT
Dont know if this has been posted but- "The expectation level at Bristol Rovers was quite high. Although it’s probably not as big a club, the fans there still expect massive things. In League One they expected us to get to the Championship last year and the season before." well, he's right. Did he mention that infernal bus from our resident life coach as well? I think he has a point to be honest, I think we are a world away from the championship and I'm sure most sensibly agree with that. However the voices of dissent are often the loudest and whilst we still have quite a vocal fan base who believe DC isn't good enough, that we are underachieving etc then that expectation will probably feature in our players minds. When they are travelling to different clubs in the league, some ex championship, they must look around and think how far away we really are. That expectation from those fans then becomes an absurdity to them when they get back to the mem I would think. Yours sincerely, uncle fuckle mcbuckle. Who wants their tie signing?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 19:37:47 GMT
Can you negotiate the release of a player if they're out of contract and don't want to sign a new deal? Didn’t want to sign a new deal? He wasn’t even offered. He came to DC to tell him he wants to leave. In Lee’s words (roughly), “I think the gaffa was a bit surprised, I think he was expecting me to ask for a new contract if I’m honest” Why wasn’t it communicated earlier other than right at the death? Could we have sold him in January? Could we have had more time to prepare in scouting for the LB position? All I’m saying is we could have done more - this is now the 3rd player in a row we’ve been screwed over by contracts. If you’re happy with how our contract negotiations are going then fair play to you. But because we’ve poorly managed contracts we’ve lost Taylor (nearly for free) on he cheap, Bodin on the cheap and now Brown for free. And guess what, they al went to teams that finished above us in the table. Sounds like we need to improve in that area - I’d love to hear anyone’s thoughts if they think we’re doing so well on this topic Taylor: could have left for nothing, stayed only with a release clause, resulting in us getting as much as we possibly could for him. Bodin: ran his contract down knowing that a move was likely. Again, what else caould we have done if he wanted to test himself at a higher level? Brown; years of loyal service he gave us deserved to be rewarded by us not making it difficult for him by demanding what would have been a relatively small fee (clubs don't pay millions for Lge 1 full backs, even quality ones like Lee). A bit like how Pompey treated Bennett actually.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 11, 2018 21:00:25 GMT
Didn’t want to sign a new deal? He wasn’t even offered. He came to DC to tell him he wants to leave. In Lee’s words (roughly), “I think the gaffa was a bit surprised, I think he was expecting me to ask for a new contract if I’m honest” Why wasn’t it communicated earlier other than right at the death? Could we have sold him in January? Could we have had more time to prepare in scouting for the LB position? All I’m saying is we could have done more - this is now the 3rd player in a row we’ve been screwed over by contracts. If you’re happy with how our contract negotiations are going then fair play to you. But because we’ve poorly managed contracts we’ve lost Taylor (nearly for free) on he cheap, Bodin on the cheap and now Brown for free. And guess what, they al went to teams that finished above us in the table. Sounds like we need to improve in that area - I’d love to hear anyone’s thoughts if they think we’re doing so well on this topic Taylor: could have left for nothing, stayed only with a release clause, resulting in us getting as much as we possibly could for him. Bodin: ran his contract down knowing that a move was likely. Again, what else caould we have done if he wanted to test himself at a higher level? Brown; years of loyal service he gave us deserved to be rewarded by us not making it difficult for him by demanding what would have been a relatively small fee (clubs don't pay millions for Lge 1 full backs, even quality ones like Lee). A bit like how Pompey treated Bennett actually. I’m not sure you’re getting it mate, I’m saying we should actually act before they run out, not the day they run out. Taylor especially could have been avoided if we’d sorted a contract before, rather than allowing him to bend over backwards with a 300k release fee Bennett at Pompey is completely different as they clearly didn’t want the player - why else would they pay up his contract?
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Post by markczgas on Jun 11, 2018 21:12:48 GMT
Im surprised Brown has gone to Pompey - surely as a back-up full back ? or Pompey manager hasn't got his finger on the pulse. Brown was brilliant for Rovers but let's be honest apart from a good last few games he struggled last season - hence Bola getting quite a few games. I'm confident that DC will get a better replacement who will show better defensive qualities than Browner.
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Post by markczgas on Jun 11, 2018 21:15:13 GMT
He was the best left back in my 39 years of watching the Gas though. (I don't count Vaughan Jones as he was a right footed centre back who was asked to play left back). Bola didn't look as good as Lee Brown was when he was 20. For me Brown was consistent but not spectacular,always vulnerable without a monkhouse type player in front of him and certainly no better than Brian Williams to mention just one . How about Neil Slatter was he right or left back, can't remember Slater was a LB
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