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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jul 29, 2018 20:22:15 GMT
Wasnt Nichols one? I for one still trust DC to sign a striker this week. In DC we trust and on that basis it doesnt need to be a marquee signing. the owners are making improvements which should be appreciated but were they do fall horribly wrong on is the water poor communication to the fans. Some will say that no news is not worth communicating but the current situation urgently needs clarification. If DC is in the same situation, god help us Nichols a marquee signing? No. Most of our fans had no idea who he was. I wish I still didn’t.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 20:35:43 GMT
I don't agree that DC will go because to do that you have to have somebody who wants him. How would you compare DC's getting us to 13th in League 1 ( a worse performance than the previous season) with Hirsts achievements at Shrewsbury? I would very much question DC's ability and knowledge to get better players to the club. He doesn't have a proven record in bringing players from a higher division into the club. His skill seems mainly in non-league football and as such we may be the highest he will go in Management. My point is that maybe whilst most of the players he has brought in are average League 1 players now perhaps DC also is an average League 1 Manager. The only proof we have at present as to his ability to spend (bigger) money is £300,000 on Nicholls. Come on Steve, Hurst saved Shrewsbury from relegation then had a good season based mainly on getting loans in. He never built the club, didn’t create any lasting legacy yet you call it a proven record. Hurst has arrived in the Championship without ever getting a league promotion. He took years to get Grimsby out of the Conference and a lot of the fans didn’t rate him and after his semi final first leg against Braintree the fans were baying at him. He did get promotion finally but never built that team up. And to say that most of the players he has brought in are of average league 1 standard is very unfair. He can only bring in whatever the budget allows and it’s the owners who set that, not him. We lost to Exeter once before in 2010 (?) and the board over-reacted and sacked PT and we know where that led. It’s an important week ahead no doubt but we’ve got to give DC time to get the strikers in that he needs. UTG! Agreed about Hurst,nothing in his managerial career to suggest he is ready for the championship.Might have a sneaky wager on Ipswich to get relegated this season.I would think the vast majority of gasheads would still prefer DC over Hurst.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 29, 2018 21:17:31 GMT
I don't agree that DC will go because to do that you have to have somebody who wants him. How would you compare DC's getting us to 13th in League 1 ( a worse performance than the previous season) with Hirsts achievements at Shrewsbury? I would very much question DC's ability and knowledge to get better players to the club. He doesn't have a proven record in bringing players from a higher division into the club. His skill seems mainly in non-league football and as such we may be the highest he will go in Management. My point is that maybe whilst most of the players he has brought in are average League 1 players now perhaps DC also is an average League 1 Manager. The only proof we have at present as to his ability to spend (bigger) money is £300,000 on Nicholls. I know I've mentioned this before, but I still recall your comments half way through the 2014 close-season, bemoaning DC's recruitment and pointing to Torquay as a team that had got their recruitment right, and wishing we were as clued-in as them. Not completely fair, but it still makes me chuckle when I read your criticisms of our recruitment, especially before the transfer window has even closed.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 29, 2018 21:21:35 GMT
Come on Steve, Hurst saved Shrewsbury from relegation then had a good season based mainly on getting loans in. He never built the club, didn’t create any lasting legacy yet you call it a proven record. Hurst has arrived in the Championship without ever getting a league promotion. He took years to get Grimsby out of the Conference and a lot of the fans didn’t rate him and after his semi final first leg against Braintree the fans were baying at him. He did get promotion finally but never built that team up. And to say that most of the players he has brought in are of average league 1 standard is very unfair. He can only bring in whatever the budget allows and it’s the owners who set that, not him. We lost to Exeter once before in 2010 (?) and the board over-reacted and sacked PT and we know where that led. It’s an important week ahead no doubt but we’ve got to give DC time to get the strikers in that he needs. UTG! Agreed about Hurst,nothing in his managerial career to suggest he is ready for the championship.Might have a sneaky wager on Ipswich to get relegated this season.I would think the vast majority of gasheads would still prefer DC over Hurst. Except for his over 50% overall win percentage and being a success everywhere he has been.
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Post by spiess1 on Jul 29, 2018 21:30:08 GMT
I don't agree that DC will go because to do that you have to have somebody who wants him. How would you compare DC's getting us to 13th in League 1 ( a worse performance than the previous season) with Hirsts achievements at Shrewsbury? I would very much question DC's ability and knowledge to get better players to the club. He doesn't have a proven record in bringing players from a higher division into the club. His skill seems mainly in non-league football and as such we may be the highest he will go in Management. My point is that maybe whilst most of the players he has brought in are average League 1 players now perhaps DC also is an average League 1 Manager. The only proof we have at present as to his ability to spend (bigger) money is £300,000 on Nicholls. I know I've mentioned this before, but I still recall your comments half way through the 2014 close-season, bemoaning DC's recruitment and pointing to Torquay as a team that had got their recruitment right, and wishing we were as clued-in as them. Not completely fair, but it still makes me chuckle when I read your criticisms of our recruitment, especially before the transfer window has even closed. Ok, Torquay. But at least Stevek got it right about Bury last year. (oh, wait.....)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 21:33:51 GMT
Agreed about Hurst,nothing in his managerial career to suggest he is ready for the championship.Might have a sneaky wager on Ipswich to get relegated this season.I would think the vast majority of gasheads would still prefer DC over Hurst. Except for his over 50% overall win percentage and being a success everywhere he has been. But he's won tge sum total of nothing. Darrell Clarke has two promotions with us (the first under huge pressure and having to turn around a club on it's knees) and two before that with Salisbury. Hurst is a decent manager, but his record doesn't stand up to Darrell's.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 29, 2018 21:39:11 GMT
Except for his over 50% overall win percentage and being a success everywhere he has been. But he's won tge sum total of nothing. Darrell Clarke has two promotions with us (the first under huge pressure and having to turn around a club on it's knees) and two before that with Salisbury. Hurst is a decent manager, but his record doesn't stand up to Darrell's. I'm not comparing him with DC. I'm arguing the comment about nothing he has done makes him worthy of a job in the championship. Well I disagree with that. He's been a success everywhere he has been and is a manager on the rise. For the record, I think DC deserves a shot in the championship too.
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Post by Blackbeard on Jul 30, 2018 14:07:42 GMT
Pull your finger out Wael!!! He's not allowed to spend any money papa and big brother run the show not Wael
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 30, 2018 14:58:12 GMT
Come on Steve, Hurst saved Shrewsbury from relegation then had a good season based mainly on getting loans in. He never built the club, didn’t create any lasting legacy yet you call it a proven record. Hurst has arrived in the Championship without ever getting a league promotion. He took years to get Grimsby out of the Conference and a lot of the fans didn’t rate him and after his semi final first leg against Braintree the fans were baying at him. He did get promotion finally but never built that team up. And to say that most of the players he has brought in are of average league 1 standard is very unfair. He can only bring in whatever the budget allows and it’s the owners who set that, not him. We lost to Exeter once before in 2010 (?) and the board over-reacted and sacked PT and we know where that led. It’s an important week ahead no doubt but we’ve got to give DC time to get the strikers in that he needs. UTG! Agreed about Hurst,nothing in his managerial career to suggest he is ready for the championship.Might have a sneaky wager on Ipswich to get relegated this season.I would think the vast majority of gasheads would still prefer DC over Hurst.
You say that but he is probably more ready for the Championship than some of these high profile ex-players who seem to walk into jobs in the top 2 levels, probably on less money too!
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Post by stevek192 on Jul 30, 2018 15:10:43 GMT
The fact is that whether it is fair or not it is what is achieved last season which is of more importance to clubs when appointing Managers than over a three or four year period and also the way you get your team playing. Shrewsburys organisation and attacking play was far superior to ours both defensively and attacking and that would push Hirst in front of Darrell. Other than that a lot of clubs will persevere with the experienced Managers who have been around the circuit. thankfully I think that will keep DC here.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 30, 2018 15:22:11 GMT
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 5, 2018 7:40:07 GMT
Turned down £1.75mil for him Also, on the subject of marquee signings. DC got that right. A reject from Walsall. Let's hope the lad does well bit underwhelming over the surface.
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Post by knowall on Aug 5, 2018 7:52:07 GMT
Pull your finger out Wael!!! He's not allowed to spend any money papa and big brother run the show not Wael He's not allowed to spend any money? Where have you been?
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Post by irene on Aug 5, 2018 7:55:18 GMT
Why a reject does that mean everyone that moves clubs is a reject I’m sure that sort of talk will make the guy feel welcome
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 5, 2018 7:57:27 GMT
Why a reject does that mean everyone that moves clubs is a reject I’m sure that sort of talk will make the guy feel welcome Let's face reality, he is. I hope he does well and will give him a warm welcome when I see him at games.
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Post by knowall on Aug 5, 2018 10:03:08 GMT
There has never been a period in Rovers history of spending big on Marquee signings - apart maybe under Terry Cooper - and always the way has been to bring in raw talent and develop them into valuable players which is a sustainable way of business. Evolution no less. The recent background appointments indicate more emphasis on this approach again which in turn should in time produce what we all desire. In my book - it is the opposite to Lansdownism and a better business model.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 10:47:53 GMT
Tin pot, rag bag, imagined change and on the pitch things have got worse and we seem to be throwing money around on back room staff for fun who seemingly have no impact re stadia, recruitment or anything bar taking wages etc - I just do not see where we are heading! I swear if no positive e communication and a plan from our owners this season then that will be that until they sell up for me. Going to struggle going with how I feel about the club this season but I’ve invested my money and will support as much as I can and if I feel negative I will stay quiet or go home! Pfft..
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 5, 2018 10:49:33 GMT
There has never been a period in Rovers history of spending big on Marquee signings - apart maybe under Terry Cooper - and always the way has been to bring in raw talent and develop them into valuable players which is a sustainable way of business. Evolution no less. The recent background appointments indicate more emphasis on this approach again which in turn should in time produce what we all desire. In my book - i t is the opposite to Lansdownism and a better business model. I think that is a misplaced comment. Yes, Lansdown has made mistakes in the past but look at the likes of Reid and Bryan for example? THey have also made good money on quite a few players. Kodija, Flint etc.
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Post by pirate on Aug 5, 2018 11:05:24 GMT
There has never been a period in Rovers history of spending big on Marquee signings - apart maybe under Terry Cooper - and always the way has been to bring in raw talent and develop them into valuable players which is a sustainable way of business. Evolution no less. The recent background appointments indicate more emphasis on this approach again which in turn should in time produce what we all desire. In my book - i t is the opposite to Lansdownism and a better business model. I think that is a misplaced comment. Yes, Lansdown has made mistakes in the past but look at the likes of Reid and Bryan for example? THey have also made good money on quite a few players. Kodija, Flint etc. As much as I hate them, you are right. They have a thriving academy and U23 structure at the moment (even producing England youth internationals) and reading a piece this morning in the local Independent newspaper, Brian Tinnion thinks it's the best group of youngsters they have had in 25 years or more. The past few years they have spent something in the region of £33 million on players, but have also brought in close to £36 million in player sales.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 5, 2018 14:57:22 GMT
There has never been a period in Rovers history of spending big on Marquee signings - apart maybe under Terry Cooper - and always the way has been to bring in raw talent and develop them into valuable players which is a sustainable way of business. Evolution no less. The recent background appointments indicate more emphasis on this approach again which in turn should in time produce what we all desire. In my book - it is the opposite to Lansdownism and a better business model. What background appointments, bringing in a 63 year old CEO is hardly planning for the future? How can any Gashead, who's not having some odd love in with the owners, be happy that we've sold nearly a £1m of striker talent and replaced it with a youngster who Walsall have just replaced with a National League player for £35K. Surely the owners could have passed on at least 50% of the fees? Unless Bako is vastly better than his present goal scoring record suggests then if Reilly doesn't score 15+ goals this season we could well find ourselves in a relegation fight.
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