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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 29, 2018 19:03:53 GMT
Interesting thread.
Does make me wonder though. Surely we can pretty much agree on quite a bit? Or am I naïve?
- Al-Qadi family are not believed to be billionaires (certainly not in the Lansdown style), so we can stop that sort of talk / expectation. They clearly also have no Rovers history behind them.
- Wael was educated partly in England & clearly has a love of football here. He was not a Rovers fan & has been honest in saying they looked at other clubs. Hardly a surprise then that he's a bit of a 'figurehead' and frontman for the whole project/ownership, but very few really know what goes on behind the scenes in terms of their actual family ownership.
Personally, as someone who knows a lot about board structures, I'd love some simple clarity on this, but appreciate they may wish not to give that.
- A training ground is a relatively simple infrastructure project. It could even potentially be fiddled with in future years if needed. The way this has been handled & had dates announced (and missed) is seriously unprofessional and seriously sets our longer term aims backwards.
For me a trg ground & all its potential rewards is what we urgently need and all we can truly expect, especially in the short term.
- An actual football ground, whether a redevelopment or a new build, is a very complex issue & many of us will give them a bit of time on that one... It's not the Al-Qadi's fault that they've inherited around 70 years of ground problems.
As for DC, team, budget, tactics, back room playing staff, that is the really hard bit to agree on, or know about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 19:30:34 GMT
When will members of the forum realise we represent a very very small proportion of the fans and so any thread like this has pretty well no importance whatsoever. Unless there is someone known who wants to buy us what is the point of raising this? Its a road to nowhere and possible extinction of the football club. Spot on. |
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Post by yattongas on Aug 29, 2018 19:34:29 GMT
I'd rather he actually just told us his vision for the club before we start asking for him to leave. This in a nutshell . |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 19:45:26 GMT
Do keep up, I did say if the messiah wrote off the debts.😉
Who are you, and when did I reply to you?
Me thinks it's you who needs to keep up on the multiple usernames you have........
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 29, 2018 19:48:14 GMT
Who would want to buy us?
It's all well and good saying yeah lets sell, but who want's to buy us?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 29, 2018 19:52:14 GMT
Yet the owner is taking far more flack than the Mem who's job it is to win us football games. I've lost a lot more faith in DC since the start of the season than I have in Wael. He brought in players you could argue we didn't need while neglecting the positions we were short in. I'm not saying for one second I want him out but a thread gauging opinion on whether to try and overthrow the owners on the back of poor performances on the field is a bit mad imo. Little bit of collumn A and a little bit of collumn B for me. Some poor players acquired. Some players played out of position. Some odd formations and tactics. But.... Has DC had good backing in his budget? Has DC been misled and is therefore a little bitter? Would we be better if we had a decent place to train? Did DC want to lose Taylor, Bodin, Harrison and Brown? (Maybe we could have done more to keep the 2nd two) I think both DC and the AQs need to have a very hard look at their roles in our situation but calling for either to go is ridiculous. |
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Post by stapletongas on Aug 29, 2018 20:06:27 GMT
Careful what you wish for
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 29, 2018 21:10:42 GMT
Interesting thread. Does make me wonder though. Surely we can pretty much agree on quite a bit? Or am I naïve? - Al-Qadi family are not believed to be billionaires (certainly not in the Lansdown style), so we can stop that sort of talk / expectation. They clearly also have no Rovers history behind them. - Wael was educated partly in England & clearly has a love of football here. He was not a Rovers fan & has been honest in saying they looked at other clubs. Hardly a surprise then that he's a bit of a 'figurehead' and frontman for the whole project/ownership, but very few really know what goes on behind the scenes in terms of their actual family ownership. Personally, as someone who knows a lot about board structures, I'd love some simple clarity on this, but appreciate they may wish not to give that. - A training ground is a relatively simple infrastructure project. It could even potentially be fiddled with in future years if needed. The way this has been handled & had dates announced (and missed) is seriously unprofessional and seriously sets our longer term aims backwards. For me a trg ground & all its potential rewards is what we urgently need and all we can truly expect, especially in the short term. - An actual football ground, whether a redevelopment or a new build, is a very complex issue & many of us will give them a bit of time on that one... It's not the Al-Qadi's fault that they've inherited around 70 years of ground problems. As for DC, team, budget, tactics, back room playing staff, that is the really hard bit to agree on, or know about. |
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Post by aghast on Aug 29, 2018 21:17:41 GMT
I haven't voted yet because I don't think the time is right.
But I think DC's undoubted failures on the pitch and in the transfer market are directly related to the lack of news or action from the owners.
He was promised a lot, I assume, to keep him at the club, and not just a decent budget.
DC would have wanted what we all want. A new or revamped stadium and a proper training facility.
I also assume that he would not have been happy with a lower third budget.
Most of the ticks on DC's list for staying with us remain unticked.
New bars, sausage rolls and electronic turnstiles where a robot looking uncannily like a real human click you in are just sideshows.
DC is a man who wants to get us into the Championship, and he was told he would be given the resources to do that, followed by the infrastructure to keep us there.
So far as I can see, he has been given nothing of the kind.
He is floundering around trying desperately to get the kind of success we had in his first two or three years, without proper backing.
He is trying everything available to crank out a bit of success from a tiny pool of resources, including signing players from L2, playing people out of position, changing the team every game, and adopting every kind of tactic that he can think of.
Nothing is working, and he is getting more and more desperate, and less successful as each experiment fails.
He has lost his mojo at the moment, and I am not surprised.
If he just said "feck it" and walked away tomorrow, I would understand.
It's not his fault. I still have faith in him, but to me, in my opinion, the owners have given up on any plan for the immediate future and are just hoping that DC will somehow be able to muddle us through.
That is a plan that was always going to fail, and it has.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 2:21:41 GMT
When will members of the forum realise we represent a very very small proportion of the fans and so any thread like this has pretty well no importance whatsoever. Unless there is someone known who wants to buy us what is the point of raising this? Its a road to nowhere and possible extinction of the football club. Very good post. Its a bit like when you have wife like i used to have. Wael and co own us and we have to make the best of it imo. I dont want wael to go because we might not exist if he does. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 30, 2018 5:12:26 GMT
When will members of the forum realise we represent a very very small proportion of the fans and so any thread like this has pretty well no importance whatsoever. Unless there is someone known who wants to buy us what is the point of raising this? Its a road to nowhere and possible extinction of the football club. Very good post. Its a bit like when you have wife like i used to have. Wael and co own us and we have to make the best of it imo. I dont want wael to go because we might not exist if he does. I understand your sentiments but what you seem to be saying is that our expectations under the AQs have gone from Evolution to Existence. Buckle would be proud. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 9:56:38 GMT
Very good post. Its a bit like when you have wife like i used to have. Wael and co own us and we have to make the best of it imo. I dont want wael to go because we might not exist if he does. I understand your sentiments but what you seem to be saying is that our expectations under the AQs have gone from Evolution to Existence. Buckle would be proud. The Al Qadi's have given Buckle and Higgs a masterclass in how to lower expectations without anybody even realising. |
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Post by singupgas on Aug 30, 2018 10:31:00 GMT
I haven't voted yet because I don't think the time is right. But I think DC's undoubted failures on the pitch and in the transfer market are directly related to the lack of news or action from the owners. He was promised a lot, I assume, to keep him at the club, and not just a decent budget. DC would have wanted what we all want. A new or revamped stadium and a proper training facility. I also assume that he would not have been happy with a lower third budget. Most of the ticks on DC's list for staying with us remain unticked. New bars, sausage rolls and electronic turnstiles where a robot looking uncannily like a real human click you in are just sideshows. DC is a man who wants to get us into the Championship, and he was told he would be given the resources to do that, followed by the infrastructure to keep us there. So far as I can see, he has been given nothing of the kind. He is floundering around trying desperately to get the kind of success we had in his first two or three years, without proper backing. He is trying everything available to crank out a bit of success from a tiny pool of resources, including signing players from L2, playing people out of position, changing the team every game, and adopting every kind of tactic that he can think of. Nothing is working, and he is getting more and more desperate, and less successful as each experiment fails. He has lost his mojo at the moment, and I am not surprised. If he just said "feck it" and walked away tomorrow, I would understand. It's not his fault. I still have faith in him, but to me, in my opinion, the owners have given up on any plan for the immediate future and are just hoping that DC will somehow be able to muddle us through. That is a plan that was always going to fail, and it has. Which is an disgrace if the owners are just hoping DC can keep us in the league. The manager needs to be backed and the club needs new facilities. What are the owners holding on to us for?? If the board actually made an encouraging statement that wasn't full of lies and there was some action after 6 months then things would be different. But on face of it, nothing is progressing. I am fed up with the confidentiality excuses, it's just a mask. We must be the most confidential football club in the world. |
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Post by blueridge on Aug 30, 2018 11:23:18 GMT
I understand your sentiments but what you seem to be saying is that our expectations under the AQs have gone from Evolution to Existence. Buckle would be proud. The Al Qadi's have given Buckle and Higgs a masterclass in how to lower expectations without anybody even realising. The 'simple' question is - why do a family of Middle Eastern INVESTMENT Bankers want to own a loss making 3rd tier English Football Club? A simple question only they can answer. They have 'invested' in land at Almondsbury - with, on the face of it no intention to do anything with it except sit on it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 11:41:04 GMT
I haven't voted yet because I don't think the time is right. But I think DC's undoubted failures on the pitch and in the transfer market are directly related to the lack of news or action from the owners. He was promised a lot, I assume, to keep him at the club, and not just a decent budget. DC would have wanted what we all want. A new or revamped stadium and a proper training facility. I also assume that he would not have been happy with a lower third budget. Most of the ticks on DC's list for staying with us remain unticked. New bars, sausage rolls and electronic turnstiles where a robot looking uncannily like a real human click you in are just sideshows. DC is a man who wants to get us into the Championship, and he was told he would be given the resources to do that, followed by the infrastructure to keep us there. So far as I can see, he has been given nothing of the kind. He is floundering around trying desperately to get the kind of success we had in his first two or three years, without proper backing. He is trying everything available to crank out a bit of success from a tiny pool of resources, including signing players from L2, playing people out of position, changing the team every game, and adopting every kind of tactic that he can think of. Nothing is working, and he is getting more and more desperate, and less successful as each experiment fails. He has lost his mojo at the moment, and I am not surprised. If he just said "feck it" and walked away tomorrow, I would understand. It's not his fault. I still have faith in him, but to me, in my opinion, the owners have given up on any plan for the immediate future and are just hoping that DC will somehow be able to muddle us through. That is a plan that was always going to fail, and it has. There is a danger of seeing DC as guaranteeing success if we just gave him more money. Let us not forget when he was given big money he spunked it all on a striker with 1 goal from nearly a season's worth of appearances. Who is to say he would do any better of given more? In fact you could say DC's best signings have been when he has spent little on lower league signings. Imo he can't make the transition from picking up quality conference level players and getting them to play above themselves to signing established league one players. So giving him more money is not a complete panacea to our problems either. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 16:55:50 GMT
No plans for stadium, no progress on training ground, no top 6 budget but over half voting would want Wael to stay even if a buyer for the club came in.
Expectations have successfully been lowered.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 30, 2018 16:59:51 GMT
No plans for stadium, no progress on training ground, no top 6 budget but over half voting would want Wael to stay even if a buyer for the club came in. Expectations have successfully been lowered. That's because it's not unconditional. No one wants a Vince Tann. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 17:10:53 GMT
No plans for stadium, no progress on training ground, no top 6 budget but over half voting would want Wael to stay even if a buyer for the club came in. Expectations have successfully been lowered. That's because it's not unconditional. No one wants a Vince Tann. True but they ticked the box to say they still trust Wael and the family ...so perfect happiness as far a most are concerned. |
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Post by albaron on Aug 30, 2018 17:16:56 GMT
No plans for stadium, no progress on training ground, no top 6 budget but over half voting would want Wael to stay even if a buyer for the club came in. Expectations have successfully been lowered. That's because it's not unconditional. No one wants a Vince Tann. Well at least they got a nice new stadium, Premiership football and are back playing in Blue. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 30, 2018 17:18:54 GMT
That's because it's not unconditional. No one wants a Vince Tann. True but they ticked the box to say they still trust Wael and the family ...so perfect happiness as far a most are concerned. Not really, I didn't really see it as a choice between being perfectly happy with low expectations and progress. I saw it more as a snide attempt at yet more whining on the internet for entitled fans. |
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