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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 17:20:31 GMT
What you have to ask yourself is has DC been given everything he needs to succeed. He's reportedly had funds, but have they been enough to turn a successful conference side into a league one side. Does our present Spartan set up make it difficult to attract quality players. Are the players underperforming or are they simply not good enough to succeed in this division. All well and good but when you lose Championship-quality strikers and then only get enough £££ to bid for the likes of Payne and Bakayoko I would argue that's not being given the tools to succeed. DC has gone from drinking Chateau Margaux to shopping in Lidl's wine section... I'm pro DC but genuinely, what amount would be enough to spend to keep you satisfied? He's spent £500k+ on two strikers deemed not good enough to be on the pitch today. That's significant at our level.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 13, 2018 17:21:22 GMT
Yeah have we missed something? Wael must be very happy that most fans don't care whether money is put into the club as equity or secured loans. We may be about to find out the difference and Darrell Clarke may have already been made aware of it. I understand the difference between equity investment and secured loans. I don’t understand the cryptic sh** that people keep wheeling out as I’m not Dick Van Dyck in Diagnosis Dam Murder. You can’t blame fans for ‘not seeing the obvious’ when it’s not explained in a way which makes it obvious and is not distinguishable in a way which puts it at the forefront as being true when every man has their own rumour
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Post by costahotshot on Oct 13, 2018 17:22:15 GMT
I still trust DC to turn this around, personally I think it would be madness to get rid of him.
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Post by twoblues on Oct 13, 2018 17:26:37 GMT
I personally back D.C.and have a lot of sympathy for him I also seriously question wether the club could even afford to sack him due to his stupidly long contract! But it cant be nice to be lied to by your bosses and promised the earth only to be given scraps to work with! the utter shambles that this club is and is painfully exposed as in the media must also damge morale across the club at all levels!
Its time for that phony Wael and his band of inept clowns to to pack there bags i'm afaid as they have made us a laughing stock! Hamer almost invisable, Stairns totally invisable, Gorringe visable but making horrendus sackable blunders, 2x unknown employees in London office thats costing us god knows how much wonga.
Not one pound invested but millions loaned with interset to cover debts run up by there own incompetence!
please please leave and let someone else have a go before its to late!
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Post by socrates on Oct 13, 2018 17:27:18 GMT
All well and good but when you lose Championship-quality strikers and then only get enough £££ to bid for the likes of Payne and Bakayoko I would argue that's not being given the tools to succeed. DC has gone from drinking Chateau Margaux to shopping in Lidl's wine section... I'm pro DC but genuinely, what amount would be enough to spend to keep you satisfied? He's spent £500k+ on two strikers deemed not good enough to be on the pitch today. That's significant at our level. Yeah I mean every league 1 side loses their best players to bigger clubs bar maybe the likes of Blackburn last season and possibly Barnsley , Pompey this season and it’s certainly never been any different at Rovers. We’ve lost Brown Gafney and Ellis in the summer but signed loads of players and DC has either hardly played them, played them in their wrong positions or they’ve been injured. Very hard to say whether they’re good enough for this level yet but with DCs tactics this season I’ve got to say we’re probably not going to know until he’s either sacked or he starts playing people where they’re strongest. Our best ball winner at the club for the last four years was once again played on the wing today whist Rodman a great right winger last season for Shrewsbury was played on the other side. Hard to tell whether the players aren’t up to league 1 with that going on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 17:28:25 GMT
I personally back D.C.and have a lot of sympathy for him I also seriously question wether the club could even afford to sack him due to his stupidly long contract! But it cant be nice to be lied to by your bosses and promised the earth only to be given scraps to work with! the utter shambles that this club is and is painfully exposed as in the media must also damge morale across the club at all levels! Its time for that phony Wael and his band of inept clowns to to pack there bags i'm afaid as they have made us a laughing stock! Hamer almost invisable, Stairns totally invisable, Gorringe visable but making horrendus sackable blunders, 2x unknown employees in London office thats costing us god knows how much wonga. Not one pound invested but millions loaned with interset to cover debts run up by there own incompetence! please please leave and let someone else have a go before its to late! Promised the earth? What are you smoking over there?
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Post by Gassy on Oct 13, 2018 17:33:13 GMT
With the reports coming out that Wael is indeed investing a lot of money, DC is becoming more and more blamed in the situation we are currently in. I've seen so many different opinions but I want to see what the majority think, so here's the question: Do we stick with DC through thick and thin, do we give him the January window to put it right, do we give him a couple of more games, do we sack him now or something different, like persist with blaming the owners? In my opinion we give him a couple more games. If results become more positive and we get a couple of points I think we should give him 'till at least January to invest in the right players. I think it'd be unwise to sack him right now - who is available? Who would accept the role, and would it even be an improvement on DC - the man who single handedly saved this club? what reports? This. The blame is on the board, not DC. We sold our 3 best players, all our attacking options for well over £1m and allowed him to replace them for a fraction of their wages and cost.
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Post by dragonfly on Oct 13, 2018 17:37:49 GMT
Over the last year DC has complained that the Club cannot progress unless we have a new or rebuilt ground and training ground. He now seems to have descended into that non-progression mentality which is currently flowing into decline. His newly won coaching badge seems to have stifled his playing style which formerly was quite adventurous and sometimes outright cavalier. He does not seem to recognise that he is setting his teams up in a manner which cannot possibly win many games. The worrying thing is that we have only beaten 2 newly promoted Teams from league 2. Is he trying to prove a point with the owners or has he largely lost sight of his previous winning formula. The very capable Jack Bonham has papered over what is still a shaky defence. DC believes he knows best and perhaps he does, but are his Players indicating to him with their sub-standard performances that he is on the wrong track. On the radio tonight his prescription for an improvement left me with little confidence as it was much the same as last week and the week before and most of the weeks before that. His stubbornness is killing our great Club that he once saved.
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Post by tbonegas on Oct 13, 2018 17:45:01 GMT
He has to go soon. Surely?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 17:46:54 GMT
This. The blame is on the board, not DC. We sold our 3 best players, all our attacking options for well over £1m and allowed him to replace them for a fraction of their wages and cost. Nonsense. We've had enough investment to put a half decent side together at this level. Honestly, what do you expect?
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Post by Gassy on Oct 13, 2018 17:52:02 GMT
This. The blame is on the board, not DC. We sold our 3 best players, all our attacking options for well over £1m and allowed him to replace them for a fraction of their wages and cost. Nonsense. We've had enough investment to put a half decent side together at this level. Honestly, what do you expect? Nichols - perhaps. But that is all. I expect from our multimillionaire owners who promised evolution to give our manager enough money to replace the ones we had to sell. I put I back to you, we were a mid table team. We sold our top players for £1.5m. You give the manager £500,000 to replace them all. Honestly, what did YOU expect?
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Post by socrates on Oct 13, 2018 17:59:28 GMT
Over the last year DC has complained that the Club cannot progress unless we have a new or rebuilt ground and training ground. He now seems to have descended into that non-progression mentality which is currently flowing into decline. His newly won coaching badge seems to have stifled his playing style which formerly was quite adventurous and sometimes outright cavalier. He does not seem to recognise that he is setting his teams up in a manner which cannot possibly win many games. The worrying thing is that we have only beaten 2 newly promoted Teams from league 2. Is he trying to prove a point with the owners or has he largely lost sight of his previous winning formula. The very capable Jack Bonham has papered over what is still a shaky defence. DC believes he knows best and perhaps he does, but are his Players indicating to him with their sub-standard performances that he is on the wrong track. On the radio tonight his prescription for an improvement left me with little confidence as it was much the same as last week and the week before and most of the weeks before that. His stubbornness is killing our great Club that he once saved. Some good points made here. I certainly think these new coaching badges and the things he’s learned seem to have made him lose sight of what his own very successful style of football was. It’s not like a DC team anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 18:03:54 GMT
I personally back D.C.and have a lot of sympathy for him I also seriously question wether the club could even afford to sack him due to his stupidly long contract! But it cant be nice to be lied to by your bosses and promised the earth only to be given scraps to work with! the utter shambles that this club is and is painfully exposed as in the media must also damge morale across the club at all levels! Its time for that phony Wael and his band of inept clowns to to pack there bags i'm afaid as they have made us a laughing stock! Hamer almost invisable, Stairns totally invisable, Gorringe visable but making horrendus sackable blunders, 2x unknown employees in London office thats costing us god knows how much wonga. Not one pound invested but millions loaned with interset to cover debts run up by there own incompetence! please please leave and let someone else have a go before its to late! I do beg your pardon, "Starnes totally invisible",give the CEO credit, after all he writes his programme notes every home game and talks about what we are doing on the pitch and never mentions what he is doing off the pitch in his role of CEO i.e sorting out the training ground and new stadium etc etc. In fact the Chairman does not even have a page in the programme now and it would appear has been shunted into the sidings to allow a more powerful locomotive i.e Mr Starnes to take his nice fat salary and it would seem to me for doing absolutely nothing as the big fat controller!
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 13, 2018 18:11:34 GMT
Nonsense. We've had enough investment to put a half decent side together at this level. Honestly, what do you expect? Nichols - perhaps. But that is all. I expect from our multimillionaire owners who promised evolution to give our manager enough money to replace the ones we had to sell. I put I back to you, we were a mid table team. We sold our top players for £1.5m. You give the manager £500,000 to replace them all. Honestly, what did YOU expect? But is that any different than most Div 1 sides? Accrington sold £2m of players in the summer and are at the right end of the table. £500K on two strikers is probably more than most clubs spend at this level and we apparently offered Rodman more money than Burton could afford this summer. For a mid table Div 1 side DC probably has a decent budget, I'm not sure new owners would give him anymore.
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Post by dinsdale on Oct 13, 2018 18:12:35 GMT
With the reports coming out that Wael is indeed investing a lot of money, DC is becoming more and more blamed in the situation we are currently in. I've seen so many different opinions but I want to see what the majority think, so here's the question: Do we stick with DC through thick and thin, do we give him the January window to put it right, do we give him a couple of more games, do we sack him now or something different, like persist with blaming the owners? In my opinion we give him a couple more games. If results become more positive and we get a couple of points I think we should give him 'till at least January to invest in the right players. I think it'd be unwise to sack him right now - who is available? Who would accept the role, and would it even be an improvement on DC - the man who single handedly saved this club? Absolute bollocks are they “investing” they are loaning us money to cover our crazy losses thats a very different thing alltogether. This £15m is not going into the team , a new stadium or training ground. The clubs been run horrendously for many years and we lose a bomb year after year. Its nice of them to cover our operating losses but they havent invested anything other then a portion of our player sales back into the team. DCs had a poor season and he does not have the required recruitment skills or contacts to succeed at this level. He is however an excellent coach and as such perhaps its the new recruitment guy that should be sharing the blame with him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 18:15:57 GMT
I agree with the poster who said he’d like to keep DC even if we went down. I’m not sure it would be a minority. He’s a top class manager, a few bad signings don’t change that. Every manager makes a few bad signings, but the top clubs can afford to replace them quickly, we have to stick with what we have
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 13, 2018 18:17:08 GMT
Give him till about half way through the next season we're playing in League 2.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 18:18:57 GMT
Nonsense. We've had enough investment to put a half decent side together at this level. Honestly, what do you expect? Nichols - perhaps. But that is all. I expect from our multimillionaire owners who promised evolution to give our manager enough money to replace the ones we had to sell. I put I back to you, we were a mid table team. We sold our top players for £1.5m. You give the manager £500,000 to replace them all. Honestly, what did YOU expect? Perhaps? How many sides in this division have invested £300k+ in a striker? Tell me. Throw in 200k+ for Payne too. At no point did the owners promise to reinvest 100% of sales. Simply hasn't happened. We're losing millions every year so it's delusional to expect big signings to replace players we have lost. It's a tough ask but clubs need to be shrewd with player recruitment and we haven't been good enough. £500k+ is a reasonable and realistic investment.
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Post by wertongas on Oct 13, 2018 18:38:32 GMT
I get fed up with fans coming on here and saying DC is the best manager we have ever had, Gerry Francis achieved far more than DC he got us up-to Championship level playing at little Twerton Park on a shoe string budget, he even paid 10,000 pounds of his own money to bring Holloway to the club as there was no money for transfers. Going back even further Don Megson also got us to the second tier admittedly like DC he did have money for transfers but he bought in Bannister, Worboys and Stanifoth, not the likes of Nichols,Rielly and Payne who are poor in comparison. I don't want to see DC go but if he doesn't stop tinkering and playing players out of position he may well dig his own grave. The club is already loosing money at this level if we go down the situation will only get worse and we could go into a downward spiral,like players no Manager is greater than the club and DC needs to change his ways. Also with how poorly some players played today it appears that some players are loosing faith with their manager.
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Post by Gassy on Oct 13, 2018 18:42:08 GMT
Nichols - perhaps. But that is all. I expect from our multimillionaire owners who promised evolution to give our manager enough money to replace the ones we had to sell. I put I back to you, we were a mid table team. We sold our top players for £1.5m. You give the manager £500,000 to replace them all. Honestly, what did YOU expect? Perhaps? How many sides in this division have invested £300k+ in a striker? Tell me. Throw in 200k+ for Payne too. At no point did the owners promise to reinvest 100% of sales. Simply hasn't happened. We're losing millions every year so it's delusional to expect big signings to replace players we have lost. It's a tough ask but clubs need to be shrewd with player recruitment and we haven't been good enough. £500k+ is a reasonable and realistic investment. Without looking/googling I’d wager more than 50% have. It’s also about what you can offer players in wages. Let’s look at the recruitment - Upson (relegated L1), Matthews (conference), Reilly (Scottish 2nd division), Payne (L1). That to me doesn’t scream backing for our most successful manager ever. Do you think it does? If you do - fair enough but I suggest move on because we will never agree if that’s the case. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not happy with DC right now, he isn’t performing as well as he should be. I just don’t think it’s all on him, I think 75% is down on the board. How do you perform at work when your manager made you promises and broke them and then made cut backs? Do you think you could perform to the best of your ability? DC is still very young in managing, managers need to learn from experience - we all say he’s our best ever so let’s give him the chance to prove it - I guarantee we won’t regret it
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