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Post by swissgas on Oct 13, 2018 19:03:40 GMT
I get fed up with fans coming on here and saying DC is the best manager we have ever had, Gerry Francis achieved far more than DC he got us up-to Championship level playing at little Twerton Park on a shoe string budget, he even paid 10,000 pounds of his own money to bring Holloway to the club as there was no money for transfers. Going back even further Don Megson also got us to the second tier admittedly like DC he did have money for transfers but he bought in Bannister, Worboys and Stanifoth, not the likes of Nichols,Rielly and Payne who are poor in comparison. I don't want to see DC go but if he doesn't stop tinkering and playing players out of position he may well dig his own grave. The club is already loosing money at this level if we go down the situation will only get worse and we could go into a downward spiral,like players no Manager is greater than the club and DC needs to change his ways. Bert Tann was obviously our greatest ever manager because he operated at a level we can only dream about now. Don Megson brought a new dynamic to the club and anyone who was around at the start of the 73/74 season will remember how we just knew this was going to be our year and sure enough we made it to the second tier once again. I have first hand knowledge of how Gerry Francis worked and it was a very enlightening experience. I watched how Denis and Geoff Dunford managed Gerry together with vital input from Ron Craig and Roy Redman. Contrary to what many fans think you don't, as Nick Higgs once famously said, appoint a manager and let him get on with it. Gerry was an exceptional footballer with a wide knowledge of the game and extensive contacts but he needed and accepted (sometimes reluctantly) the advice from older hands who not only had long business experience but were also genuine Rovers fans. That is what helped make him a successful manager. Of course Darrell Clarke does not have Gerry's football pedigree and he has gained his success with Rovers at a level many of us never imagined we would sink to. But, he does have the same "rough diamond" characteristics as Gerry and he is a totally dedicated football man who is willing to learn as evidenced by his work to achieve top coaching badges. What Darrell is crying out for is the wise counsel which Gerry was lucky enough to have.
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Post by althepirate on Oct 13, 2018 19:16:37 GMT
I get fed up with fans coming on here and saying DC is the best manager we have ever had, Gerry Francis achieved far more than DC he got us up-to Championship level playing at little Twerton Park on a shoe string budget, he even paid 10,000 pounds of his own money to bring Holloway to the club as there was no money for transfers. Going back even further Don Megson also got us to the second tier admittedly like DC he did have money for transfers but he bought in Bannister, Worboys and Stanifoth, not the likes of Nichols,Rielly and Payne who are poor in comparison. I don't want to see DC go but if he doesn't stop tinkering and playing players out of position he may well dig his own grave. The club is already loosing money at this level if we go down the situation will only get worse and we could go into a downward spiral,like players no Manager is greater than the club and DC needs to change his ways. Bert Tann was obviously our greatest ever manager because he operated at a level we can only dream about now. Don Megson brought a new dynamic to the club and anyone who was around at the start of the 73/74 season will remember how we just knew this was going to be our year and sure enough we made it to the second tier once again. I have first hand knowledge of how Gerry Francis worked and it was a very enlightening experience. I watched how Denis and Geoff Dunford managed Gerry together with vital input from Ron Craig and Roy Redman. Contrary to what many fans think you don't, as Nick Higgs once famously said, appoint a manager and let him get on with it. Gerry was an exceptional footballer with a wide knowledge of the game and extensive contacts but he needed and accepted (sometimes reluctantly) the advice from older hands who not only had long business experience but were also genuine Rovers fans. That is what helped make him a successful manager. Of course Darrell Clarke does not have Gerry's football pedigree and he has gained his success with Rovers at a level many of us never imagined we would sink to. But, he does have the same "rough diamond" characteristics as Gerry and he is a totally dedicated football man who is willing to learn as evidenced by his work to achieve top coaching badges. What Darrell is crying out for is the wise counsel which Gerry was lucky enough to have. Top post! Thanks for that insight 👍
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 20:09:00 GMT
I agree with the poster who said he’d like to keep DC even if we went down. I’m not sure it would be a minority. He’s a top class manager, a few bad signings don’t change that. Every manager makes a few bad signings, but the top clubs can afford to replace them quickly, we have to stick with what we have Agreed. I don't think it would necessarily be a minority. Most realise that DC is a top class manager whose ability and ambition surpass anything we can offer him. Some good points made in this thread, particularly referencing Accrington as thriving despite having sold their best players. Accy are a superb example.of a very well run club, from top to bottom, and good luck to them. However, we've been selling our best goalscorers for three windows now. Taylor, Bodin, Harrison. Eventually, it catches up with you. It did with Ollie and it has with other clubs. Bottom line: if you keep on selling your best goalscorers, eventually you are going to struggle to score goals. It's not rocket science. You can't keep unearthing diamonds every time when you spend considerably less than you bring in. That may not be the fault of the owners - for all any of us know it might not have been prudent to have spent similar amounts on players of the standard we let leave (assuming of course that players of that value would want to come to League 1, never mind our antiquated set up). The fault is irrelevant for this debate though - the fact remains that if you keep selling the valuable commodity of goals, eventually those goals dry up. DC has made a poor signing in Nichols and some seem hell bent on judging his ability as a manager purely on this signing. I think he deserves more respect than that, but instead, despite four successful seasons the knives are out after a poor start to this season. Personally, I would continue to support him even if we go down. Players are playing for him and despite the admittedly growing number of dissenters, it would seem that the vast majority of fans still support him, something the owners would do well to bear in mind should they be shortsighted enough to pull the trigger. As many have said, IF we go down he has earned the right to have a go at bringing us back up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 20:35:09 GMT
I agree with the poster who said he’d like to keep DC even if we went down. I’m not sure it would be a minority. He’s a top class manager, a few bad signings don’t change that. Every manager makes a few bad signings, but the top clubs can afford to replace them quickly, we have to stick with what we have Agreed. I don't think it would necessarily be a minority. Most realise that DC is a top class manager whose ability and ambition surpass anything we can offer him. Some good points made in this thread, particularly referencing Accrington as thriving despite having sold their best players. Accy are a superb example.of a very well run club, from top to bottom, and good luck to them. However, we've been selling our best goalscorers for three windows now. Taylor, Bodin, Harrison. Eventually, it catches up with you. It did with Ollie and it has with other clubs. Bottom line: if you keep on selling your best goalscorers, eventually you are going to struggle to score goals. It's not rocket science. You can't keep unearthing diamonds every time when you spend considerably less than you bring in. That may not be the fault of the owners - for all any of us know it might not have been prudent to have spent similar amounts on players of the standard we let leave (assuming of course that players of that value would want to come to League 1, never mind our antiquated set up). The fault is irrelevant for this debate though - the fact remains that if you keep selling the valuable commodity of goals, eventually those goals dry up. DC has made a poor signing in Nichols and some seem hell bent on judging his ability as a manager purely on this signing. I think he deserves more respect than that, but instead, despite four successful seasons the knives are out after a poor start to this season. Personally, I would continue to support him even if we go down. Players are playing for him and despite the admittedly growing number of dissenters, it would seem that the vast majority of fans still support him, something the owners would do well to bear in mind should they be shortsighted enough to pull the trigger. As many have said, IF we go down he has earned the right to have a go at bringing us back up. I would be gutted to see DC leave. We are clearly in a bad place at the moment but I would trust him more than anyone else to get us out of our current position, I think given everything he has done for us over the past four years or so he deserves a bit more time. I would only consider parting company if we got relegated and were then struggling the following season at Xmas. All the things I hear about being out of his depth, not having contacts at this level, taking us as far as he can etc are all similar to things I heard being said about Sean Dyche when Burnley were getting relegated out of the prem. I wonder where Burnley would be now if they sacked Dyche - I would guess mid table championship at best. As it happened they stayed loyal, got promoted back to the prem and even secured European football. Burnley's equivalent of midland gas will have been spitting feathers. if DC was sacked and a potential replacement was found who had got his previous club promoted from the conference amongst talk of going bust if he didn't get promoted, then got automatic promotion to league one before then securing back to back mid table finishes in League one we would probably be begging him to join us. Reminds me of someone!
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Post by peterhooper57 on Oct 13, 2018 20:53:08 GMT
IMO D.C. deserves better support than he is currently receiving from Wael and his family. It’s seems to me like he is being set up to fail. The club is in a ******** mess and rotten and the supporters yet again are being faced with a take it or leave it decision. People keep wishing and talking about a fictious take over, how sad are we. I must say l do not have the answer, but what l can say is l hate what is currently happening to the club l support and worry if nothing positive happens soon the club will struggle to stay alive. Utg
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Post by lpgas on Oct 13, 2018 20:56:57 GMT
This situation in which we find ourselves is purely down to DC. He has recruited badly and added to that constantly played players out of position. I watch games and wonder what indeed he is trying to do. I see know "pattern" of play, no matter who is in the team, but what he really must do is pick the best team and stick to it, all those changes are not doing anyone at the club any good. For example Sercombe must be in the middle, not out wide to accommodate Upson or Lines. Up front, well what can we say, who looks like scoring? No one. The beard is another who is wasted out wide, it is better to play without him rather than ask him to do something that he's not very good at. I'd give him until Christmas and if we are still in the bottom 4 then it is time for him to go. As for letting him bring in more players in the January window, who has to go? Because we have maxed out our EFL percentage. Of course with next season our budget will be less as our crowds get smaller this season.
He should have signed Telford
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Post by lpgas on Oct 13, 2018 20:58:19 GMT
IMO D.C. deserves better support than he is currently receiving from Wael and his family. It’s seems to me like he is being set up to fail. The club is in a ******** mess and rotten and the supporters yet again are being faced with a take it or leave it decision. People keep wishing and talking about a fictious take over, how sad are we. I must say l do not have the answer, but what l can say is l hate what is currently happening to the club l support and worry if nothing positive happens soon the club will struggle to stay alive. Utg How?
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Post by Gassy on Oct 13, 2018 21:01:52 GMT
People keep talking about Accy doing well despite selling players. These scenarios are simply one offs. Let’s see where we both are in 5 years time.
But to further the backing of DC in this scenario - they have a manager who has worked there 17 years in total. Do you think they would sack their manager if they were in the bottom 4 after 13 games? Would their fans even consider calling for it? Because you can’t have it both ways.
Accrington are doing well because they clearly have an excellent BoD, excellent & experienced manager who knows the club inside out.
You want to be like Accrington? Which of the 2 do we have? I’ll give you a hint, it isn’t the BoD...
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Post by Gassy on Oct 13, 2018 21:04:28 GMT
He should have signed Telford 3 starts in L2 - but you think he should be starting for us in L1?
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Post by lpgas on Oct 13, 2018 21:18:26 GMT
He should have signed Telford 3 starts in L2 - but you think he should be starting for us in L1? He has been injured at Bury. If he had more game time at our place he would have scored. In many ways he is one that could have improved and improved us. He used to volunteer to play for the Development squad. Overall in all the matches he played he scored 14
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 21:20:08 GMT
Agreed. I don't think it would necessarily be a minority. Most realise that DC is a top class manager whose ability and ambition surpass anything we can offer him. Some good points made in this thread, particularly referencing Accrington as thriving despite having sold their best players. Accy are a superb example.of a very well run club, from top to bottom, and good luck to them. However, we've been selling our best goalscorers for three windows now. Taylor, Bodin, Harrison. Eventually, it catches up with you. It did with Ollie and it has with other clubs. Bottom line: if you keep on selling your best goalscorers, eventually you are going to struggle to score goals. It's not rocket science. You can't keep unearthing diamonds every time when you spend considerably less than you bring in. That may not be the fault of the owners - for all any of us know it might not have been prudent to have spent similar amounts on players of the standard we let leave (assuming of course that players of that value would want to come to League 1, never mind our antiquated set up). The fault is irrelevant for this debate though - the fact remains that if you keep selling the valuable commodity of goals, eventually those goals dry up. DC has made a poor signing in Nichols and some seem hell bent on judging his ability as a manager purely on this signing. I think he deserves more respect than that, but instead, despite four successful seasons the knives are out after a poor start to this season. Personally, I would continue to support him even if we go down. Players are playing for him and despite the admittedly growing number of dissenters, it would seem that the vast majority of fans still support him, something the owners would do well to bear in mind should they be shortsighted enough to pull the trigger. As many have said, IF we go down he has earned the right to have a go at bringing us back up. I would be gutted to see DC leave. We are clearly in a bad place at the moment but I would trust him more than anyone else to get us out of our current position, I think given everything he has done for us over the past four years or so he deserves a bit more time. I would only consider parting company if we got relegated and were then struggling the following season at Xmas. All the things I hear about being out of his depth, not having contacts at this level, taking us as far as he can etc are all similar to things I heard being said about Sean Dyche when Burnley were getting relegated out of the prem. I wonder where Burnley would be now if they sacked Dyche - I would guess mid table championship at best. As it happened they stayed loyal, got promoted back to the prem and even secured European football. Burnley's equivalent of midland gas will have been spitting feathers. if DC was sacked and a potential replacement was found who had got his previous club promoted from the conference amongst talk of going bust if he didn't get promoted, then got automatic promotion to league one before then securing back to back mid table finishes in League one we would probably be begging him to join us. Reminds me of someone! Absolutely!
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Post by Gassy on Oct 13, 2018 21:22:02 GMT
3 starts in L2 - but you think he should be starting for us in L1? He has been injured at Bury. If he had more game time at our place he would have scored. In many ways he is one that could have improved and improved us. He used to volunteer to play for the Development squad. Overall in all the matches he played he scored 14 Fair enough if he’s been injured. I actually would have liked to have seen Dom here, but I certainly don’t think he’d be our saviour. From what I’ve seen I actually think Jak is the better player
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Post by yattongas on Oct 13, 2018 21:31:35 GMT
Seen the thread headline and purposely haven’t read the thread . All I say is I 100% back DC . Best manager in my lifetime..... 40 odd yrs following the Gas. It’s above him where the blame should lie
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 21:38:10 GMT
3 starts in L2 - but you think he should be starting for us in L1? He has been injured at Bury. If he had more game time at our place he would have scored. In many ways he is one that could have improved and improved us. He used to volunteer to play for the Development squad. Overall in all the matches he played he scored 14 Why is he on the bench every week then? No point if hes injured.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 21:47:32 GMT
All i know is in our first season in league one we had a bloody good team full of goals just crying out for some decent investment. If we had got that back then we would have got into the championship and taylor,bodin,harrison and brown would still be playing for us to sell out crowds. The whole club was on such a high but all we have have had since then is stagnation and decline along with our best players jumping ship. In a way lee browns move tells us all you need to know about rovers.
Im a great DC fan but i just wish they would sack him and that he can find himself a club with real ambition like forest green or fc fylde.
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Post by aghast on Oct 13, 2018 21:49:51 GMT
If the owners are looking to sell the club, then DC is safe. For now.
The last thing they would want to do is sack someone seen as an asset, pay off the rest of his contract, and appoint someone else on an expensive deal.
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Post by wertongas on Oct 13, 2018 21:50:31 GMT
I get fed up with fans coming on here and saying DC is the best manager we have ever had, Gerry Francis achieved far more than DC he got us up-to Championship level playing at little Twerton Park on a shoe string budget, he even paid 10,000 pounds of his own money to bring Holloway to the club as there was no money for transfers. Going back even further Don Megson also got us to the second tier admittedly like DC he did have money for transfers but he bought in Bannister, Worboys and Stanifoth, not the likes of Nichols,Rielly and Payne who are poor in comparison. I don't want to see DC go but if he doesn't stop tinkering and playing players out of position he may well dig his own grave. The club is already loosing money at this level if we go down the situation will only get worse and we could go into a downward spiral,like players no Manager is greater than the club and DC needs to change his ways. Bert Tann was obviously our greatest ever manager because he operated at a level we can only dream about now. Don Megson brought a new dynamic to the club and anyone who was around at the start of the 73/74 season will remember how we just knew this was going to be our year and sure enough we made it to the second tier once again. I have first hand knowledge of how Gerry Francis worked and it was a very enlightening experience. I watched how Denis and Geoff Dunford managed Gerry together with vital input from Ron Craig and Roy Redman. Contrary to what many fans think you don't, as Nick Higgs once famously said, appoint a manager and let him get on with it. Gerry was an exceptional footballer with a wide knowledge of the game and extensive contacts but he needed and accepted (sometimes reluctantly) the advice from older hands who not only had long business experience but were also genuine Rovers fans. That is what helped make him a successful manager. Of course Darrell Clarke does not have Gerry's football pedigree and he has gained his success with Rovers at a level many of us never imagined we would sink to. But, he does have the same "rough diamond" characteristics as Gerry and he is a totally dedicated football man who is willing to learn as evidenced by his work to achieve top coaching badges. What Darrell is crying out for is the wise counsel which Gerry was lucky enough to have. I agree Bert Tann was our greatest manager but still think DC has along way to go to reach G F level, as Twentyman will tell you , what great coach Francis was, his record on bringing in players was far better than DC who had to bring in about 6 goalkeepers before getting it right, G F just went out and Nigel Martin probably the best goalkeeper brfc have ever had. All across the squad he brought in descent players and coached them on,on a shoe string budget . We owned a Dairy and farms in the Chew Valley and Dubfords were some of our competition so I know they weren't bad business people, but I can't imagine they could teach Francis much about football.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Oct 13, 2018 22:02:58 GMT
I get fed up with fans coming on here and saying DC is the best manager we have ever had, Gerry Francis achieved far more than DC he got us up-to Championship level playing at little Twerton Park on a shoe string budget, he even paid 10,000 pounds of his own money to bring Holloway to the club as there was no money for transfers. Going back even further Don Megson also got us to the second tier admittedly like DC he did have money for transfers but he bought in Bannister, Worboys and Stanifoth, not the likes of Nichols,Rielly and Payne who are poor in comparison. I don't want to see DC go but if he doesn't stop tinkering and playing players out of position he may well dig his own grave. The club is already loosing money at this level if we go down the situation will only get worse and we could go into a downward spiral,like players no Manager is greater than the club and DC needs to change his ways. Also with how poorly some players played today it appears that some players are loosing faith with their manager. 99% agree with you but DC must go
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Post by Raj Gas on Oct 13, 2018 22:07:32 GMT
The majority blame the board yet they haven't got rid of DC when a lot of clubs would have done by now. Perhaps they dont want to spend any more money on the compensation if they get rid.
The current mess on the pitch is down to DC and his recruitment,tactics and team selection.He needs to focus on getting that right not blaming every one else.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 22:15:16 GMT
All i know is in our first season in league one we had a bloody good team full of goals just crying out for some decent investment. If we had got that back then we would have got into the championship and taylor,bodin,harrison and brown would still be playing for us to sell out crowds. The whole club was on such a high but all we have have had since then is stagnation and decline along with our best players jumping ship. In a way lee browns move tells us all you need to know about rovers. Im a great DC fan but i just wish they would sack him and that he can find himself a club with real ambition like forest green or fc fylde.Brilliant. The same Forest Green that sold their biggest asset on deadline day and didn't spend big to replace him? Be realistic man.
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