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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 19:48:45 GMT
Really, why is it neither Payne or Nichols ever score ? these two will Get DC the sack and rovers relegated. Whilst I hope DC stays, he did sign this absolut part of wonkers. is there any evidence to suggest Payne can lump? I swear I've never seen his feet leave the ground. he jumped once today when the ball was actually going to hit his head - he basically jumped out of the way the only time he left the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 20:33:40 GMT
Great, a defeatist negative manager putting his excuses in already. Thanks Darrell. [br You thank him for that, I’ll thank him for rescuing this poor excuse of a football club. I will also forgive him if we go down and hope he gets the chance to get us back up again if that happens. Each to their own.
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 17, 2018 20:33:55 GMT
Not saying we will have money to spend, but would you expect DC to say anything else to the press?? Keep prices down, by saying stuff like that.
Looks like we could lose Bonham and Jakubiak in January. Need to try and move some other player's on anyway if we can.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Nov 17, 2018 22:05:20 GMT
We have new hand dryers and a new tent. What more could we ask?
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 17, 2018 22:23:15 GMT
Not saying we will have money to spend, but would you expect DC to say anything else to the press?? Keep prices down, by saying stuff like that. Looks like we could lose Bonham and Jakubiak in January. Need to try and move some other player's on anyway if we can. He said the same in August then shipped out Slocombe & Mensah before signing Bonham & Martin. Seems we're in a dark place and the owners have gone AWOL. Meanwhile their appointed Chairman will no doubt be in the commentary box on Saturday telling everybody where it's all going wrong on the pitch, you really couldn't make this sh1t up.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 17, 2018 22:27:20 GMT
Why the hell has Wael seemingly fallen off the face of the earth when it comes to communication? When we were riding high he was all over the radio and TV, couldn't be seen enough. Ever since the UWE fell through he's been conspicuous by his absence. I think he's a nice bloke, but he seemingly doesn't seem to be brave enough to face the music. I do believe that the owners did not do due diligence and were reckless in purchasing this club, without realising the costs involved. You go into a venture without the knowledge of the funds necessary to grow it, or perhaps even sustain it, and you'll be left with egg on your face. It's at best misguided and unfortunate, at worst plain idiotic.
By the way the reasons I've come to these conclusions is purely based on evidence that the board have gone from being engaging, positive and progressive, to silent. This and DC's frequent "hints" make it quite clear that the support they openly and often stated that they would give him, has been missing for quite some time.
Basically, they need to sort their s**t out!
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Post by Gasshole on Nov 17, 2018 22:41:21 GMT
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 17, 2018 22:56:50 GMT
It’s feckless management from the owners and through the board which is impacting on the football playing side.
I’m not saying DC is blameless but you can’t lie everything at his door.
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Post by lpgas on Nov 17, 2018 23:42:24 GMT
EFL rules state that you can only spend a max of 85% of income. We have been on that since the beginning of the season, hence Mensah going so we could get a left back in, and that's why we could get Bonham in when Slocombe left. We have a mid table budget, that is a fact. We have had a mid table budget since we came up. To say DC hasn't been backed is a nonsense. £550k on Nicholls and Payne alone. Then during the summer we had 5 players signed, most experienced pro's and not "cheap". The previous January he had 3 players signed. all these players that he has signed has cost us money. There is no such thing as a FREE. For example even of you sign a player on a FREE you still have to pay his agents fee, and that's just the start. Our squad has 11 defenders which includes a loan and one player who has not made an appearance yet (Kilgour) But of that 11 and incredible 7 are centre half, or have played centre half for the first team. Then we come to midfield. We have 8 CENTRAL midfielders. All of these 8 have made a first team appearance (I am including Luke Russe) but 7 of these are experienced players. Strikers well those that have played for the first team in the league number 7, but that includes Mo Bagdadhi and Rodman, both are not strikers at all, so lets call it 5. One of those is out on loan (Mensah) so strikers are down to FOUR. Payne; Nicholls; Jakubiak; and Reilly. So, a big squad that has a lot of experienced and expensive players in with only 4 strikers available.
DC has more resources that ANY previous manager, a squad of 28 with a development squad behind that and then lots of of coaches, and a better pitch than any previous manager. DC has gone completely overboard with this squad. There is no "Stand out " quality and there is no one with "exceptional pace".
Defenders, did we really need a defender who has had a bad injury? Can we afford to keep him until he is fit? We might have a gem, on the other hand like a lot of players who suffer a bad injury, he might never be as good as he was. Then did we need to get a loan left back from a division 2 club?
Midfielders. I can understand signing Mathews, he is young and has quality, but he is no winger. Upson, did we really need him? not really. He is just another expensive player we could have done without.
Strikers. Well I would have liked to have seen someone more agile than Payne, and I suspect he was a panic buy. Jakubiac is here to get some experience, but as he rarely gets on for very long, I bet he wishes he was somewhere else. Rodman, since the OS class him as a striker. He's ok but like Payne he has had a whole host of clubs and when you sign players like that you realise that if they were any good they would have a record containing very few clubs. Then there is Nicholls. I cannot argue that he has talent, or a bit of pace, but goal scorer he is not. At the moment the top scorer in this league is Tom Eaves with 11, and Matt Godden has 9 who we were once linked with. Tom Nichols has scored ONE league goal and that was last October (2017) against Milton Keynes. He has had 47 first team games. He was on a 4 year deal at Posh and I was told he is on a 4 year deal with us. So just another 2 and 1/2 seasons to go.
My opinion is that Clarke has spunked his budget on players we didn't need and players that quite honestly not good enough. Neil Warnock, who no one on Bristol likes has been successful because, he has always had squads of around 20 players who have been better quality. Look at our squad we could cut it to 20 easily, and we could then we could afford better players. But DC is too pig headed to realise that. Most mangers have a plan on recruitment, I cannot say DC does. If he did have it would be better than what we are seeing. DC will not change. Despite him saying any player not doing his job will go, can anyone see Nicholls going? No, because he cost a lot of money (our second highest signing ever) and DC will not admit he made a mistake. a good way to look at our squad is to think who could we sell for money. Probably Lockyer, and maybe Ollie Clarke, neither would be a huge fee though. The rest will go on frees, and most will be at non league clubs.
The DC is God believers may not agree, but it is now time to say thanks DC, now off you go with this payment. We then get someone in who will cut our squad, introduce better players and play some of our kids, who when ever they have played on the first team have never let us down.
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Post by dinsdale on Nov 18, 2018 7:56:51 GMT
EFL rules state that you can only spend a max of 85% of income. We have been on that since the beginning of the season, hence Mensah going so we could get a left back in, and that's why we could get Bonham in when Slocombe left. We have a mid table budget, that is a fact. We have had a mid table budget since we came up. To say DC hasn't been backed is a nonsense. £550k on Nicholls and Payne alone. Then during the summer we had 5 players signed, most experienced pro's and not "cheap". The previous January he had 3 players signed. all these players that he has signed has cost us money. There is no such thing as a FREE. For example even of you sign a player on a FREE you still have to pay his agents fee, and that's just the start. Our squad has 11 defenders which includes a loan and one player who has not made an appearance yet (Kilgour) But of that 11 and incredible 7 are centre half, or have played centre half for the first team. Then we come to midfield. We have 8 CENTRAL midfielders. All of these 8 have made a first team appearance (I am including Luke Russe) but 7 of these are experienced players. Strikers well those that have played for the first team in the league number 7, but that includes Mo Bagdadhi and Rodman, both are not strikers at all, so lets call it 5. One of those is out on loan (Mensah) so strikers are down to FOUR. Payne; Nicholls; Jakubiak; and Reilly. So, a big squad that has a lot of experienced and expensive players in with only 4 strikers available. DC has more resources that ANY previous manager, a squad of 28 with a development squad behind that and then lots of of coaches, and a better pitch than any previous manager. DC has gone completely overboard with this squad. There is no "Stand out " quality and there is no one with "exceptional pace". Defenders, did we really need a defender who has had a bad injury? Can we afford to keep him until he is fit? We might have a gem, on the other hand like a lot of players who suffer a bad injury, he might never be as good as he was. Then did we need to get a loan left back from a division 2 club? Midfielders. I can understand signing Mathews, he is young and has quality, but he is no winger. Upson, did we really need him? not really. He is just another expensive player we could have done without. Strikers. Well I would have liked to have seen someone more agile than Payne, and I suspect he was a panic buy. Jakubiac is here to get some experience, but as he rarely gets on for very long, I bet he wishes he was somewhere else. Rodman, since the OS class him as a striker. He's ok but like Payne he has had a whole host of clubs and when you sign players like that you realise that if they were any good they would have a record containing very few clubs. Then there is Nicholls. I cannot argue that he has talent, or a bit of pace, but goal scorer he is not. At the moment the top scorer in this league is Tom Eaves with 11, and Matt Godden has 9 who we were once linked with. Tom Nichols has scored ONE league goal and that was last October (2017) against Milton Keynes. He has had 47 first team games. He was on a 4 year deal at Posh and I was told he is on a 4 year deal with us. So just another 2 and 1/2 seasons to go. My opinion is that Clarke has spunked his budget on players we didn't need and players that quite honestly not good enough. Neil Warnock, who no one on Bristol likes has been successful because, he has always had squads of around 20 players who have been better quality. Look at our squad we could cut it to 20 easily, and we could then we could afford better players. But DC is too pig headed to realise that. Most mangers have a plan on recruitment, I cannot say DC does. If he did have it would be better than what we are seeing. DC will not change. Despite him saying any player not doing his job will go, can anyone see Nicholls going? No, because he cost a lot of money (our second highest signing ever) and DC will not admit he made a mistake. a good way to look at our squad is to think who could we sell for money. Probably Lockyer, and maybe Ollie Clarke, neither would be a huge fee though. The rest will go on frees, and most will be at non league clubs. The DC is God believers may not agree, but it is now time to say thanks DC, now off you go with this payment. We then get someone in who will cut our squad, introduce better players and play some of our kids, who when ever they have played on the first team have never let us down. Cant disagree
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 8:23:51 GMT
Aside from the points we've debated before, I'm not sure a relegation battle is the best time to chuck kids in.
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Post by Gashead73 on Nov 18, 2018 8:28:19 GMT
Seriously beginning to lose faith in the BoD right now, no updates, no communication or no nothing. I fear for our current status
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 18, 2018 8:50:14 GMT
EFL rules state that you can only spend a max of 85% of income. We have been on that since the beginning of the season, hence Mensah going so we could get a left back in, and that's why we could get Bonham in when Slocombe left. We have a mid table budget, that is a fact. We have had a mid table budget since we came up. To say DC hasn't been backed is a nonsense. £550k on Nicholls and Payne alone. Then during the summer we had 5 players signed, most experienced pro's and not "cheap". The previous January he had 3 players signed. all these players that he has signed has cost us money. There is no such thing as a FREE. For example even of you sign a player on a FREE you still have to pay his agents fee, and that's just the start. Our squad has 11 defenders which includes a loan and one player who has not made an appearance yet (Kilgour) But of that 11 and incredible 7 are centre half, or have played centre half for the first team. Then we come to midfield. We have 8 CENTRAL midfielders. All of these 8 have made a first team appearance (I am including Luke Russe) but 7 of these are experienced players. Strikers well those that have played for the first team in the league number 7, but that includes Mo Bagdadhi and Rodman, both are not strikers at all, so lets call it 5. One of those is out on loan (Mensah) so strikers are down to FOUR. Payne; Nicholls; Jakubiak; and Reilly. So, a big squad that has a lot of experienced and expensive players in with only 4 strikers available. DC has more resources that ANY previous manager, a squad of 28 with a development squad behind that and then lots of of coaches, and a better pitch than any previous manager. DC has gone completely overboard with this squad. There is no "Stand out " quality and there is no one with "exceptional pace". Defenders, did we really need a defender who has had a bad injury? Can we afford to keep him until he is fit? We might have a gem, on the other hand like a lot of players who suffer a bad injury, he might never be as good as he was. Then did we need to get a loan left back from a division 2 club? Midfielders. I can understand signing Mathews, he is young and has quality, but he is no winger. Upson, did we really need him? not really. He is just another expensive player we could have done without. Strikers. Well I would have liked to have seen someone more agile than Payne, and I suspect he was a panic buy. Jakubiac is here to get some experience, but as he rarely gets on for very long, I bet he wishes he was somewhere else. Rodman, since the OS class him as a striker. He's ok but like Payne he has had a whole host of clubs and when you sign players like that you realise that if they were any good they would have a record containing very few clubs. Then there is Nicholls. I cannot argue that he has talent, or a bit of pace, but goal scorer he is not. At the moment the top scorer in this league is Tom Eaves with 11, and Matt Godden has 9 who we were once linked with. Tom Nichols has scored ONE league goal and that was last October (2017) against Milton Keynes. He has had 47 first team games. He was on a 4 year deal at Posh and I was told he is on a 4 year deal with us. So just another 2 and 1/2 seasons to go. My opinion is that Clarke has spunked his budget on players we didn't need and players that quite honestly not good enough. Neil Warnock, who no one on Bristol likes has been successful because, he has always had squads of around 20 players who have been better quality. Look at our squad we could cut it to 20 easily, and we could then we could afford better players. But DC is too pig headed to realise that. Most mangers have a plan on recruitment, I cannot say DC does. If he did have it would be better than what we are seeing. DC will not change. Despite him saying any player not doing his job will go, can anyone see Nicholls going? No, because he cost a lot of money (our second highest signing ever) and DC will not admit he made a mistake. a good way to look at our squad is to think who could we sell for money. Probably Lockyer, and maybe Ollie Clarke, neither would be a huge fee though. The rest will go on frees, and most will be at non league clubs. The DC is God believers may not agree, but it is now time to say thanks DC, now off you go with this payment. We then get someone in who will cut our squad, introduce better players and play some of our kids, who when ever they have played on the first team have never let us down. Payne's the problem but did DC have much choice when we sold Harrison, Bakayoko seems even worse and that's the "quality" you get in late August for £200K as a panic buy. If we still had Harrison we'd be mid table if not higher. Now we have a CF who can't win a header or manage a decent attempt on target. Although if Lines had scored his penalty we'd be well clear of the bottom 4. If we sack DC we get a new manager having to deal with all DC's players and no BoD/owners insight, that hardly sounds a good move! Plus who's going to pay for the sacking/replacement?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 18, 2018 8:56:43 GMT
The DC is God believers may not agree, but it is now time to say thanks DC, now off you go with this payment. We then get someone in who will cut our squad, introduce better players and play some of our kids, who when ever they have played on the first team have never let us down. That's bullshit rhetoric. It's possible to think that it's worth keeping hold of DC without thinking he's god. Would it be ok to you to characterise your argument as a DC hater. Would it be ok to say, now we've lost a game the DC haters are coming out of the woodwork?
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 18, 2018 8:58:38 GMT
As regards selling players the ALQ's have already sold anybody decent bar Locks! Plus they've took all the equity out of the club. It's either p1ss poor ownership or asset stripping.
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Post by peterparker on Nov 18, 2018 9:52:47 GMT
As regards selling players the ALQ's have already sold anybody decent bar Locks! Plus they've took all the equity out of the club. It's either p1ss poor ownership or asset stripping. Lower league club that loses money sells players. Nothing new, and not anything that hasnt happened at Rovers for decades
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Post by titchthephot on Nov 18, 2018 10:15:00 GMT
Maybe DC is playing his cards right. Mention in the press that we can't afford to buy a new striker, fans/press get angry etc. Boards hands are forced deep into their pockets to quell the rebellion - or option two......the board don't care and are not going to spend any money no matter what!
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Nov 18, 2018 10:19:15 GMT
Maybe DC is playing his cards right. Mention in the press that we can't afford to buy a new striker, fans/press get angry etc. Boards hands are forced deep into their pockets to quell the rebellion - or option two......the board don't care and are not going to spend any money no matter what! The board won't be here in January, so why are they getting the stick?
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Post by titchthephot on Nov 18, 2018 10:26:33 GMT
Lots of people slagging DC off for his poor judgement in buying duff strikers but to be fair to him those he bought had been scoring lots of goals at their previous clubs. So why aren't they doing it for us? The goals are the same sized in the same position in every ground so what's the problem. The DC haters (how they have crept out of the woodwork now!! except MidlandGas who at least has had the honesty to state his feelings for a long time!)will try to blame his tactics but I really don't believe he is getting them wrong. Yesterday we had 16 shots (8 on target) which was loads more than Scunthorpe. Maybe the gods are just against us. I genuinely believe that we are a better team with Nichols in it and it's not for the lack of trying that he hasn't scored. The jury is out on Payne. I didn't like the way he was winding up the defenders yesterday - it wasn't like we were 4-0 up, it was 1-1 and he delayed the penalty being taken by getting involved rather than Linesy just putting the ball down and sticking it in the net (great save by the keeper though!). On another point, any buddying refs out there, can you explain why the first goal wasn't offside? I know their player kicked it against one of our defenders and then it fell to the person who scored but surely as soon as their guy kicked it (and before it hit the defender) the scorer was stood miles offside and therefore it shouldn't have been allowed. Or have I got that wrong?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 18, 2018 10:33:46 GMT
Lots of people slagging DC off for his poor judgement in buying duff strikers but to be fair to him those he bought had been scoring lots of goals at their previous clubs. So why aren't they doing it for us? The goals are the same sized in the same position in every ground so what's the problem. The DC haters (how they have crept out of the woodwork now!! except MidlandGas who at least has had the honesty to state his feelings for a long time!)will try to blame his tactics but I really don't believe he is getting them wrong. Yesterday we had 16 shots (8 on target) which was loads more than Scunthorpe. Maybe the gods are just against us. I genuinely believe that we are a better team with Nichols in it and it's not for the lack of trying that he hasn't scored. The jury is out on Payne. I didn't like the way he was winding up the defenders yesterday - it wasn't like we were 4-0 up, it was 1-1 and he delayed the penalty being taken by getting involved rather than Linesy just putting the ball down and sticking it in the net (great save by the keeper though!). On another point, any buddying refs out there, can you explain why the first goal wasn't offside? I know their player kicked it against one of our defenders and then it fell to the person who scored but surely as soon as their guy kicked it (and before it hit the defender) the scorer was stood miles offside and therefore it shouldn't have been allowed. Or have I got that wrong? Yeah, that's slightly wrong I believe, coz of the new way they're supposed to interpret it. The attacker can be standing right in the middle of the six yard box ten yards offside and have the ball knocked directly towards his head, and he won't be considered offside if he doesn't touch it (or obstruct the goalie), even if he tries his best to make contact (which is kinda what happened) or even if his presence affects the actions of the keeper. I think that's a bollox way to interpret stuff, but hey. Also if it comes off of a defender, then the interpretation is that if it just deflects off the defender then that still counts as being played by the attacker, and will be offside. But if the defender makes a deliberate effort to play the ball, even if it shanks off his shin or balloons off his knee, then that counts as the defender playing the ball to the attacker and therefore not offside. Where you draw the line there is anyone's guess. Which is all ridiculous because it also effectively puts the onus on defenders to know who is and who isn't offside around them (and to effectively guess the ref's interpretation of who is and isn't offside around them), which really shouldn't be their job (it's hard enough for the linesman), especially for very tight decisions. Istm, we had both of those grey areas affecting that decision. Anyway, I'm not even sure that is the latest interpretation, they seem to bring new ones out every season. edit: I think the law is "clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent" which he clearly did do, but for some reason think that the current interpretation doesn't take that so literally, or something. *genuinely confused*
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