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Post by Centenary Gas on Dec 9, 2018 10:50:01 GMT
He’s quick enough to separate the footballing side when off field issues are a problem - the footballing side of things is now the biggest issue as the football is awful, players not playing for the manager, tactics awful, selection awful, recruitment awful and based on performances training and fitness are also awful! Can’t blame anyone else for this dc. I just hope the board have enough balls to sack him and enough money to pay him off as this internal arguing is killing our club! We need a period of calm! When D.C. goes the fans will turn on the board pretty quickly.
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Post by chilly1883 on Dec 9, 2018 10:51:15 GMT
He did and he was. Personally, I wouldn’t criticise his intentions though. I believe his heart was in the right place even if he made terrible decisions. Higgs always found money for transfers too when we were in the crap. I doubt we will see much appetite from the current mob to fund a squad transfusion in January. why are we sucking Higgs off?? He achieved f**k all
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Post by midlandgas213 on Dec 9, 2018 10:53:51 GMT
Come on DC give us all an early Christmas present and f**k off Very very disrespectful language. That post is not even worthy of a 5 year old. Crickey if you think that is disrespectful you obviously don't read my posts very often
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 10:56:53 GMT
DC signs the players . He wouldn't be here if they did. Come on this is like project fear Does DC agree the fees and wages or does he just put a wish list in to others who then spend the budget? You might think so, and I would have thought so. But then I struggle to put a name, or names, to that process.
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Post by brightonpirate on Dec 9, 2018 10:59:28 GMT
It all seems like deja vu. The owners have done the maths imo. League 2 success will be more profitable than poor or mediocre league 1. They will stick with DC rather than pay him off, and plan for relegation. Lower wage bill, comparable or better gates if pushing for top 6 place. Seems obvious to me. But this is Bristol Rovers!!!!
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Post by socrates on Dec 9, 2018 11:07:20 GMT
The board are obviously to blame for going very quiet on the stadium development and also the training ground but as I thought it’s now been confirmed by DC that he’s got a bigger budget this season than ever before so whys it all the boards fault that the clubs dropping like a stone towards league 2. DC bought the players picks them sets up the formation (5-3-2 at home for Christ’s sake) he and his staff are to blame along with the players for where we are. Regarding the stadium and training ground the board have done what every board in our history have done, failed to built it, but I don’t see how that is connected to the performances on the pitch other than DC being watered off that that it’s not happening and then that negative attitude being passed down on to the players which it would seem to me is what’s happening. If that is the case then that’s more bad management because his job is to get the players playing and concentrate on the football not offload his problems with the board on to the players.
It’s all gone tits up and I can’t see DC turning this around I’m afraid because he should be concentrating 100% on football matters and he’s not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 11:21:13 GMT
The board are obviously to blame for going very quiet on the stadium development and also the training ground but as I thought it’s now been confirmed by DC that he’s got a bigger budget this season than ever before so whys it all the boards fault that the clubs dropping like a stone towards league 2. DC bought the players picks them sets up the formation (5-3-2 at home for Christ’s sake) he and his staff are to blame along with the players for where we are. Regarding the stadium and training ground the board have done what every board in our history have done, failed to built it, but I don’t see how that is connected to the performances on the pitch other than DC being watered off that that it’s not happening and then that negative attitude being passed down on to the players which it would seem to me is what’s happening. If that is the case then that’s more bad management because his job is to get the players playing and concentrate on the football not offload his problems with the board on to the players. It’s all gone tits up and I can’t see DC turning this around I’m afraid because he should be concentrating 100% on football matters and he’s not. A lot of sympathy for that viewpoint, with perhaps one exception, the training ground. I do buy DC's argument that training in modern facilities that can accommodate both the first team and the development squad is valid. But in all else he has had a terrible recruitment history over the last 18 months. I agree with Socrates, the position of the first team is down to him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 11:26:06 GMT
Out of interest what was the provenence of the idea that the stadium was a bad deal for the club? From what we know now, if the Al Qadi's or Hamer told you the UWE was a bad deal for the club would you believe them? It's fact. If any previous stadium plan was financially viable it surely would've happened by now. The funding wasn't there for the UWE as it would've been the equivalent of trying to get a mortgage on a leasehold. Unfortunately we missed the boat on moving/redeveloping the Mem 10 years ago, best we can realistically hope for now is someone else comes in and spends a fair amount turning the Mem into something acceptable imo. So it's not provable fact- but rather fact based on inference.....sounds like it's actually just your opinion! "If any previous stadium plan was financially viable it surely would've happened by now." - not necessarily, the stadium may have provided a more than adequate source of revenue for the club and a reasonable return for Dwane Sports but they wanted a greater return, that would be just one example of a scenario where it would have been financially viable for all concerned yet it didn't end up getting built. Don't forget also that the Al Qadi's own feasibility study gave a favourable review of their plans! Bear in mind also that Hani baulked at spending 8 million on a training ground thinking he could get a Category A academy built for 2 million. If that was their attitude and level of funding for a training ground does that suggest they had the ability to deliver the UWE stadium no matter what the deal on the table was? From what I can recall the whole 'UWE was a bad deal' mantra came into effect when it became clear the Al Qadi's were struggling to get the deal over the line and at the time people were still of the belief that the Al Qadi's were business titans from an area of the world awash with cash so it made sense to believe that they were correct in walking away....however in light of how they have run the club on a rank amateur footing since the collapse of the UWE deal it certainly raises questions about these guys and their actual business nous and level of finance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 11:33:53 GMT
It's fact. If any previous stadium plan was financially viable it surely would've happened by now. The funding wasn't there for the UWE as it would've been the equivalent of trying to get a mortgage on a leasehold. Unfortunately we missed the boat on moving/redeveloping the Mem 10 years ago, best we can realistically hope for now is someone else comes in and spends a fair amount turning the Mem into something acceptable imo. So it's not provable fact- but rather fact based on inference.....sounds like it's actually just your opinion! "If any previous stadium plan was financially viable it surely would've happened by now." - not necessarily, the stadium may have provided a more than adequate source of revenue for the club and a reasonable return for Dwane Sports but they wanted a greater return, that would be just one example of a scenario where it would have been financially viable for all concerned yet it didn't end up getting built. Don't forget also that the Al Qadi's own feasibility study gave a favourable review of their plans! Bear in mind also that Hani baulked at spending 8 million on a training ground thinking he could get a Category A academy built for 2 million. If that was their attitude and level of funding for a training ground does that suggest they had the ability to deliver the UWE stadium no matter what the deal on the table was? From what I can recall the whole 'UWE was a bad deal' mantra came into effect when it became clear the Al Qadi's were struggling to get the deal over the line and at the time people were still of the belief that the Al Qadi's were business titans from an area of the world awash with cash so it made sense to believe that they were correct in walking away....however in light of how they have run the club on a rank amateur footing since the collapse of the UWE deal it certainly raises questions about these guys and their actual business nous and level of finance. Perhaps. But let's not rewrite history. The funding plan for the new stadium under the previous regime did not quite add up. The difference between the sale proceeds of the Mem and the capital cost (public estimations) was significant. What always amazes me is how the due diligence supposedly undertaken did not pick this up. If it did were the new owners acting with careless bravado? Who knows. But we are where we are, and it's another stagnated pond.
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Post by justin blue on Dec 9, 2018 11:36:35 GMT
The board are obviously to blame for going very quiet on the stadium development and also the training ground but as I thought it’s now been confirmed by DC that he’s got a bigger budget this season than ever before so whys it all the boards fault that the clubs dropping like a stone towards league 2. DC bought the players picks them sets up the formation (5-3-2 at home for Christ’s sake) he and his staff are to blame along with the players for where we are. Regarding the stadium and training ground the board have done what every board in our history have done, failed to built it, but I don’t see how that is connected to the performances on the pitch other than DC being watered off that that it’s not happening and then that negative attitude being passed down on to the players which it would seem to me is what’s happening. If that is the case then that’s more bad management because his job is to get the players playing and concentrate on the football not offload his problems with the board on to the players. It’s all gone tits up and I can’t see DC turning this around I’m afraid because he should be concentrating 100% on football matters and he’s not. Once again it seems that off field matters are causing everyone to lose sight of the immediate problem. Much as I love him, I've seen this pattern before and think DCs time may be up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 11:54:59 GMT
So it's not provable fact- but rather fact based on inference.....sounds like it's actually just your opinion! "If any previous stadium plan was financially viable it surely would've happened by now." - not necessarily, the stadium may have provided a more than adequate source of revenue for the club and a reasonable return for Dwane Sports but they wanted a greater return, that would be just one example of a scenario where it would have been financially viable for all concerned yet it didn't end up getting built. Don't forget also that the Al Qadi's own feasibility study gave a favourable review of their plans! Bear in mind also that Hani baulked at spending 8 million on a training ground thinking he could get a Category A academy built for 2 million. If that was their attitude and level of funding for a training ground does that suggest they had the ability to deliver the UWE stadium no matter what the deal on the table was? From what I can recall the whole 'UWE was a bad deal' mantra came into effect when it became clear the Al Qadi's were struggling to get the deal over the line and at the time people were still of the belief that the Al Qadi's were business titans from an area of the world awash with cash so it made sense to believe that they were correct in walking away....however in light of how they have run the club on a rank amateur footing since the collapse of the UWE deal it certainly raises questions about these guys and their actual business nous and level of finance. Perhaps. But let's not rewrite history. The funding plan for the new stadium under the previous regime did not quite add up. The difference between the sale proceeds of the Mem and the capital cost (public estimations) was significant. What always amazes me is how the due diligence supposedly undertaken did not pick this up. If it did were the new owners acting with careless bravado? Who knows. But we are where we are, and it's another stagnated pond. I totally agree with that, on the face of it there did appear to holes in the maths, but I don't believe anyone on the forums were on the inside of the deal so who knows what the actual deal was. Hence why I have a problem with people claiming it as fact that it was a bad deal- the specifics appeared to be a closely guarded secret and all we can do is speculate on what is in the public domain, which isn't a lot. My biggest fear as a Rovers fan is that the stadium was viable for all concerned and that the Al Qadi's discarded our best chance of having a stadium we are ever likely to have (at least in our lifetime) because they didn't have the appetite or finance to do it and would not step aside to let someone else have a chance to realise it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 12:43:37 GMT
Perhaps. But let's not rewrite history. The funding plan for the new stadium under the previous regime did not quite add up. The difference between the sale proceeds of the Mem and the capital cost (public estimations) was significant. What always amazes me is how the due diligence supposedly undertaken did not pick this up. If it did were the new owners acting with careless bravado? Who knows. But we are where we are, and it's another stagnated pond. I totally agree with that, on the face of it there did appear to holes in the maths, but I don't believe anyone on the forums were on the inside of the deal so who knows what the actual deal was. Hence why I have a problem with people claiming it as fact that it was a bad deal- the specifics appeared to be a closely guarded secret and all we can do is speculate on what is in the public domain, which isn't a lot. My biggest fear as a Rovers fan is that the stadium was viable for all concerned and that the Al Qadi's discarded our best chance of having a stadium we are ever likely to have (at least in our lifetime) because they didn't have the appetite or finance to do it and would not step aside to let someone else have a chance to realise it. Personal experience on this. I had occasion to have dinner with an architect who was heavily involved with the design of a proposed stadium development in Newport which included enabling commercial development. He was also heavily involved in the original redevelopment plans at the Mem. He saw no issue with mortgaging future revenues when any enabling development or a shortfall in capital led to a funding gap. I am pretty convinced this was to be the method by which the UWE funding gap was to be financed. Which of course would have sucked the funding for club development right out. Cannot say it for definite, but experience tells me so. It was therefore a bad deal for the future of the club (if true)
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Post by lpgas on Dec 9, 2018 13:08:39 GMT
It all seems like deja vu. The owners have done the maths imo. League 2 success will be more profitable than poor or mediocre league 1. They will stick with DC rather than pay him off, and plan for relegation. Lower wage bill, comparable or better gates if pushing for top 6 place. Seems obvious to me. But this is Bristol Rovers!!!! We get less money in Div 2 and 26 players on Division One contracts, hardly cheaper
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 9, 2018 13:13:09 GMT
It all seems like deja vu. The owners have done the maths imo. League 2 success will be more profitable than poor or mediocre league 1. They will stick with DC rather than pay him off, and plan for relegation. Lower wage bill, comparable or better gates if pushing for top 6 place. Seems obvious to me. But this is Bristol Rovers!!!! We get less money in Div 2 and 26 players on Division One contracts, hardly cheaper apart from the obvious fact that most will leave in the summer.
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Post by farmygas on Dec 9, 2018 13:33:03 GMT
The fact that people honestly think DC is the problem atm is honestly laughable Don't make a fool to f yourself by making such silly comments he s the only reason we are in this mess and it has gone on all my f this year whatever he had for Christmas last year as certainly affected him I look forward to you getting your crayons out and making a little sign for the poor sap they get in after DC.
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Post by baggins on Dec 9, 2018 13:37:16 GMT
Don't make a fool to f yourself by making such silly comments he s the only reason we are in this mess and it has gone on all my f this year whatever he had for Christmas last year as certainly affected him I look forward to you getting your crayons out and making a little sign for the poor sap they get in after DC. Ignore him. He's actually in the Midlands and doesn't go to any games at all. Blokes an idiot.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Dec 9, 2018 13:41:37 GMT
I look forward to you getting your crayons out and making a little sign for the poor sap they get in after DC. Ignore him. He's actually in the Midlands and doesn't go to any games at all. Blokes an idiot. Very true
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Post by lpgas on Dec 9, 2018 13:59:52 GMT
I say keep DC and get rid of the owners. What good are they when they are not prepared to put any more money into the squad but cut it back. The difference between us and Doncaster today is that we sold all our best players/ goalscorers they offered their best players / goalscorers better contracts and kept them.They could have got rid of Marquis in the summer but didn't . We currently lose £1.5 million every year. The players we "lost" were all on contracts that were running out. Their agents no doubt touted their names around. Now it is generally known that if you play in the Championship you will earn in excess of £10,000 a week, most small clubs like us pay £3-4k a week. By saying we should have kept hold of those players I assume you would want to pay Bodin, Harrison and Taylor at least a combined wage of at least £30,000, a week? Where do you think that money would come from? And what makes you think they want to play in Division One when they have a chance to play in the Championship? As for "cutbacks" DC has a big squad for league one, in fact I would say too big. Then of course there is the development squad, the Under 21's and all the other teams, so at this stage no one is cutting back are they. In fact DC has more resources than any other previous manager at Rovers. When it comes down to it, he has rode his luck but now he has been found out, and he has recruited some of the worst players we have seen since McGhees time and he can no longer use excuses like "the budget" the pitch, and now the training ground. There is only one person in charge of the team, and that's DC, and for that reason he has to go. I would suggest next week after we have been tonked by Sunderland, and he can take Stewart, with him. And just to put Nicholls signing in to perspective he is the second highest transfer fee in out history. "Who got him in"
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Post by baggins on Dec 9, 2018 14:07:47 GMT
I say keep DC and get rid of the owners. What good are they when they are not prepared to put any more money into the squad but cut it back. The difference between us and Doncaster today is that we sold all our best players/ goalscorers they offered their best players / goalscorers better contracts and kept them.They could have got rid of Marquis in the summer but didn't . We currently lose £1.5 million every year. The players we "lost" were all on contracts that were running out. Their agents no doubt touted their names around. Now it is generally known that if you play in the Championship you will earn in excess of £10,000 a week, most small clubs like us pay £3-4k a week. By saying we should have kept hold of those players I assume you would want to pay Bodin, Harrison and Taylor at least a combined wage of at least £30,000, a week? Where do you think that money would come from? And what makes you think they want to play in Division One when they have a chance to play in the Championship? As for "cutbacks" DC has a big squad for league one, in fact I would say too big. Then of course there is the development squad, the Under 21's and all the other teams, so at this stage no one is cutting back are they. In fact DC has more resources than any other previous manager at Rovers. When it comes down to it, he has rode his luck but now he has been found out, and he has recruited some of the worst players we have seen since McGhees time and he can no longer use excuses like "the budget" the pitch, and now the training ground. There is only one person in charge of the team, and that's DC, and for that reason he has to go. I would suggest next week after we have been tonked by Sunderland, and he can take Stewart, with him. And just to put Nicholls signing in to perspective he is the second highest transfer fee in out history. "Who got him in" I agreed with everything until the "when it comes down to it" bit. Which is unusual for me as as I normally disagree with every post you write. Must be Christmas.
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Post by paulpirate on Dec 9, 2018 14:11:55 GMT
I love dc but he has been promised the world and given f all and the negativity is being passed down to the dressing room The board should pay him off properly like he deserves,they conned him into signing a 5 year contract I would get cotterel in fast else we’re doomed,as we know from previous years div 2 isn’t easy to get out of
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