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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 12, 2018 21:22:49 GMT
I'm not really sure who takes the credit for a successful striker is it DC or our forwards coach MS, anyway my point was about recruitment, our only regular 10+ goals a season striker, who we've actually gone out and recruited, rather than already being at the club or the player himself asked for a trial since DC took over was Taylor. Just realised I missed James from my earlier list so it's an incredible 9 strikers signed but not one who's scored more than a handful of goals for us, we can make it a round 10 if we include Brunt who, I recall, was still with us at the start of our Conference season. I guess if you're talking recruitment alone then you're right. But that ignores the fact that, even after Taylor left, we had Gaffney, Bodin and Harrison who were all capable of goals. DC and his management team improved all three with presumably good coaching and man management. Strikers are always going to be the hardest player to find. We've lost 3 or 4 and in my opinion it's caught up with us. Gaffney hardly scored any in Div 1, I doubt he got ten over two full seasons? As I've already suggested we didn't go out and scout Bodin he turned up himself for a trial, likewise Harrison was already at the club. DC and his staff really seem incapable of going out and finding a goalscorer, signing him and then get the best out of him, it's a worry as we probably need to find two goalscorers next month or come May we'll be relegated.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 12, 2018 21:35:48 GMT
"We aren't a side that will slump to the bottom of the table" Have you looked at the bottom of the table recently we are just 2 pts off the bottom with Sunderland up next, that on the back of 6(?) straight league defeats
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Post by LJG on Dec 12, 2018 23:14:26 GMT
I guess if you're talking recruitment alone then you're right. But that ignores the fact that, even after Taylor left, we had Gaffney, Bodin and Harrison who were all capable of goals. DC and his management team improved all three with presumably good coaching and man management. Strikers are always going to be the hardest player to find. We've lost 3 or 4 and in my opinion it's caught up with us. Gaffney hardly scored any in Div 1, I doubt he got ten over two full seasons? As I've already suggested we didn't go out and scout Bodin he turned up himself for a trial, likewise Harrison was already at the club. DC and his staff really seem incapable of going out and finding a goalscorer, signing him and then get the best out of him, it's a worry as we probably need to find two goalscorers next month or come May we'll be relegated. 13 and 8 assists. Why lie?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 23:29:56 GMT
I guess if you're talking recruitment alone then you're right. But that ignores the fact that, even after Taylor left, we had Gaffney, Bodin and Harrison who were all capable of goals. DC and his management team improved all three with presumably good coaching and man management. Strikers are always going to be the hardest player to find. We've lost 3 or 4 and in my opinion it's caught up with us. Gaffney hardly scored any in Div 1, I doubt he got ten over two full seasons? As I've already suggested we didn't go out and scout Bodin he turned up himself for a trial, likewise Harrison was already at the club. DC and his staff really seem incapable of going out and finding a goalscorer, signing him and then get the best out of him, it's a worry as we probably need to find two goalscorers next month or come May we'll be relegated. I think your bodin comments are very unfair,dc took a chance on bodin after he had a serious injury and it was a great signing. This reminds me of the people who talk of the lucky promotions,now its the bad signings and the good signings which were in fact lucky signings. Poor form imo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 1:24:52 GMT
Gaffney hardly scored any in Div 1, I doubt he got ten over two full seasons? As I've already suggested we didn't go out and scout Bodin he turned up himself for a trial, likewise Harrison was already at the club. DC and his staff really seem incapable of going out and finding a goalscorer, signing him and then get the best out of him, it's a worry as we probably need to find two goalscorers next month or come May we'll be relegated. I think your bodin comments are very unfair,dc took a chance on bodin after he had a serious injury and it was a great signing. This reminds me of the people who talk of the lucky promotions,now its the bad signings and the good signings which were in fact lucky signings. Poor form imo. I kind of agree, although I think what is happening is that DC's current recruitment gaffes put his past quality signings (Taylor, Bodin etc) in a new light whereas 3 seasons ago we would all have said that recruitment was DC's strongest suit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 7:47:22 GMT
I think your bodin comments are very unfair,dc took a chance on bodin after he had a serious injury and it was a great signing. This reminds me of the people who talk of the lucky promotions,now its the bad signings and the good signings which were in fact lucky signings. Poor form imo. I kind of agree, although I think what is happening is that DC's current recruitment gaffes put his past quality signings (Taylor, Bodin etc) in a new light whereas 3 seasons ago we would all have said that recruitment was DC's strongest suit. Recruitment for league one and league two are so different you need more quality and sign more proven players,not hang onto the likes of sincs,J Clarke,Leads,Parts,Broadbent etc then sign the likes of Payne,Martin,Reilly,Upson,Jakubiak that’s asking for relagation if you ask me,none of those players are regular in the team, DCs lack of knowledge and contacts for this division has found him out along with his chopping and changing.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 13, 2018 8:30:48 GMT
Payne & Rodman were both regulars in a top 3 side last season and Upson was also a Div 1 regular, it's a mystery why they have been so poor of us. Whether it's poor management, they are all simply off form or just struggling to settle into a club stuck in the 80's is hard to work out.
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Post by blueridge on Dec 13, 2018 9:02:20 GMT
It's great that 7k supporters can still carry on watching a crap team playing in a crap stadium with crap owners and arguably a crap manager. What's the attraction anymore - the hope that one day things may change? Not anytime soon I'm afraid. 2000 have already given up - how low are the attendances going to get? All right for some on here to say they are more happy watching the team with just the faithfuls (5k?) but unfortunately (as in politics) the ''floaters' can make or break you - and in our case it's going to break us. Performances on the pitch, dictate relatively, the success of the club - DC IMO has to take his full share of blame for the position the Club is in now - would we all be throwing 'hand grenades' (including the Manager) in all directions at just about everyone associated with the club if the team were sitting comfortably in mid table - I would suggest not. Time to go DC - you're the highest paid employee at the Club by a country mile and you've come up way short.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 9:05:36 GMT
Payne & Rodman were both regulars in a top 3 side last season and Upson was also a Div 1 regular, it's a mystery why they have been so poor of us. Whether it's poor management, they are all simply off form or just struggling to settle into a club stuck in the 80's is hard to work out. Payne was a regular sub,Rodman looked the part but ain’t delivered yet and the signing of Upson when we got plenty of central midfielders was bizarre when clearly we needed players elsewhere. How can you say we are stuck in the 80’s now and not when we were winning promotions. The seventies,eighties,nineties was the best football played best atmospheres at grounds wish we were back in the eighties mine you my mates say I dress like I am.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 13, 2018 9:10:55 GMT
Payne & Rodman were both regulars in a top 3 side last season and Upson was also a Div 1 regular, it's a mystery why they have been so poor of us. Whether it's poor management, they are all simply off form or just struggling to settle into a club stuck in the 80's is hard to work out. Payne was a regular sub,Rodman looked the part but ain’t delivered yet and the signing of Upson when we got plenty of central midfielders was bizarre when clearly we needed players elsewhere. How can you say we are stuck in the 80’s now and not when we were winning promotions. The seventies,eighties,nineties was the best football played best atmospheres at grounds wish we were back in the eighties mine you my mates say I dress like I am. I did say it's hard to work out what's wrong! Whilst we won promotion that was with mainly Conference players, now were in Div 1 we've signed a different type of player, the 3 I mention came from Shrewsbury & MK Dons both clubs with decent modern set ups.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 13, 2018 9:12:42 GMT
It's great that 7k supporters can still carry on watching a crap team playing in a crap stadium with crap owners and arguably a crap manager. What's the attraction anymore - the hope that one day things may change? Not anytime soon I'm afraid. 2000 have already given up - how low are the attendances going to get? All right for some on here to say they are more happy watching the team with just the faithfuls (5k?) but unfortunately (as in politics) the ''floaters' can make or break you - and in our case it's going to break us. Performances on the pitch, dictate relatively, the success of the club - DC IMO has to take his full share of blame for the position the Club is in now - would we all be throwing 'hand grenades' (including the Manager) in all directions at just about everyone associated with the club if the team were sitting comfortably in mid table - I would suggest not. Time to go DC - you're the highest paid employee at the Club by a country mile and you've come up way short. Pretty sure he did it last season? Have you any proof DC earns more than Lines, Bennett & Payne?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 9:18:50 GMT
It's great that 7k supporters can still carry on watching a crap team playing in a crap stadium with crap owners and arguably a crap manager. What's the attraction anymore - the hope that one day things may change? Not anytime soon I'm afraid. 2000 have already given up - how low are the attendances going to get? All right for some on here to say they are more happy watching the team with just the faithfuls (5k?) but unfortunately (as in politics) the ''floaters' can make or break you - and in our case it's going to break us. Performances on the pitch, dictate relatively, the success of the club - DC IMO has to take his full share of blame for the position the Club is in now - would we all be throwing 'hand grenades' (including the Manager) in all directions at just about everyone associated with the club if the team were sitting comfortably in mid table - I would suggest not. Time to go DC - you're the highest paid employee at the Club by a country mile and you've come up way short. Pretty sure he did it last season? Have you any proof DC earns more than Lines, Bennett & Payne? He sure does TG can’t produce wage slips but believe me.
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Post by blueridge on Dec 13, 2018 9:28:12 GMT
It's great that 7k supporters can still carry on watching a crap team playing in a crap stadium with crap owners and arguably a crap manager. What's the attraction anymore - the hope that one day things may change? Not anytime soon I'm afraid. 2000 have already given up - how low are the attendances going to get? All right for some on here to say they are more happy watching the team with just the faithfuls (5k?) but unfortunately (as in politics) the ''floaters' can make or break you - and in our case it's going to break us. Performances on the pitch, dictate relatively, the success of the club - DC IMO has to take his full share of blame for the position the Club is in now - would we all be throwing 'hand grenades' (including the Manager) in all directions at just about everyone associated with the club if the team were sitting comfortably in mid table - I would suggest not. Time to go DC - you're the highest paid employee at the Club by a country mile and you've come up way short. Pretty sure he did it last season? Have you any proof DC earns more than Lines, Bennett & Payne? Exactly the point I'm making - last season we were around or just below mid table - the attendances were still reasonable and there was nowhere near as much flak flying around as there is now. I'd be very surprised if the players you mention are on five year contracts worth over £250k a year.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 13, 2018 10:04:15 GMT
Hope you lot are happy
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Post by completewingback on Dec 13, 2018 10:24:49 GMT
They're never happy. Just wait. I'll give 3 months before the next manager is being slagged off in here while the board is safely tucked away in their ivory tower.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 13, 2018 10:32:57 GMT
Looking forward to seeing Midlands at the next match.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 13, 2018 10:34:44 GMT
Looking forward to seeing Midlands at the next match. Looking forward to the latest excuse of why he won't attend
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