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Post by Jomo on Dec 11, 2018 19:47:01 GMT
Which Championship standard players are you referring to? Bonham and? Taylor, Harrison and Bodin. Woops I misread the post, my apologies. Still, I would argue DC and the management team had a lot to do with making those players good enough to be purchased by Championship clubs.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 11, 2018 19:57:48 GMT
Taylor, Harrison and Bodin. Woops I misread the post, my apologies. Still, I would argue DC and the management team had a lot to do with making those players good enough to be purchased by Championship clubs. Not one of the three has proven they are Championship level yet, all 3 could well be back in Div 1 next season. But they weren't Championship level when they were turning out for us in the National League/Div 1?
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Post by Jomo on Dec 11, 2018 20:01:32 GMT
Woops I misread the post, my apologies. Still, I would argue DC and the management team had a lot to do with making those players good enough to be purchased by Championship clubs. Not one of the three has proven they are Championship level yet, all 3 could well be back in Div 1 next season. But they weren't Championship level when they were turning out for us in the National League/Div 1? I agree, I think you maybe were meaning to quote the post I quoted in the first place?
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 11, 2018 20:32:31 GMT
Not one of the three has proven they are Championship level yet, all 3 could well be back in Div 1 next season. But they weren't Championship level when they were turning out for us in the National League/Div 1? I agree, I think you maybe were meaning to quote the post I quoted in the first place? Yep, that was the case.
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Post by darkbluegas on Dec 11, 2018 20:42:55 GMT
I'd expected some action by the board by today. It seems that unless DC is moved on pretty soon we'll soon find ourselves too far adrift of safety to do anything about it. I'm frankly amazed that supporters still harp back to promotion from non league and the Fourth Division with, as we now know, three championship standard players in the side. The only fact worth considering is that we have 17 points from a possible 63. But hey ho we can all spend the summer watching Back to Back promotion DVD's whilst looking forward to another season in the Fourth Division Which Championship standard players are you referring to? Bonham and? Harrison, Bodin and Taylor
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Post by Jomo on Dec 11, 2018 20:46:59 GMT
Which Championship standard players are you referring to? Bonham and? Harrison, Bodin and Taylor Yep, I already admitted I misread your post, sorry.
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Post by darkbluegas on Dec 11, 2018 20:47:02 GMT
Which Championship standard players are you referring to? Bonham and? Harrison, Bodin and Taylor Sorry just read you, Topper and Antonio had sorted this out
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 21:05:17 GMT
So do you think DC is overachieving this season? I'd say he overachieved in getting us here, and keeping us here. I think he deserves a proper shot at keeping us here again. He had a bigger budget than most clubs so I’d say he done what was expected of a manager with his budgets over the time he’s been in charge,overachieving would be getting us into the championship,progressing to the second round of the F A cup.lol so now fans are saying we should keep him in charge to take us back down to league 2 because he deserves the chance because of the two promotions he’s achieved?
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 11, 2018 21:30:38 GMT
I'd say he overachieved in getting us here, and keeping us here. I think he deserves a proper shot at keeping us here again. He had a bigger budget than most clubs so I’d say he done what was expected of a manager with his budgets over the time he’s been in charge,overachieving would be getting us into the championship,progressing to the second round of the F A cup.lol so now fans are saying we should keep him in charge to take us back down to league 2 because he deserves the chance because of the two promotions he’s achieved? Not sure any of us expected to go from scraping through the Play Off final thanks to Mansell's pen to promotion the following May, most of us would have taken a top 10 finish, so he over achieved in our first in Div 2, then we had a good season in Div 1 where we really only fell short in the last few games. Then the rot set in when first Bodin was out injured, then after he was sold. What most fans are saying is DC is more likely to keep us up than somebody Hamer & co are likely to employ if he gets the sack.
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Post by wertongas on Dec 11, 2018 21:42:27 GMT
I can't believe there are people coming on here that are prepared to except relegation with DC in the hope that we he may get us promoted again, that's ridiculous. For one, for years I followed Rovers and anything below mid table in the third tier would have been a bad season, now it appears acceptable for us to struggle at this level and below. We could be relegated and stuck in the fourth tier for the next 10 years, that is a risk not worth taking. DC has been given nearly half a season to get us into mid table safety it hasn't worked we cannot afford to be relegated and need to bring someone new in if things haven't improved by the new year. We probably got promoted with a league 2 team, once the buzz from the promotion wore off not enough was done to bring in players to keep us in this division, that is both DC and the owners fault having allowed so many good players to leave, some we could not keep but others perhaps we could have. DC has not helped by refusing to give other players like Reilly and Moore a chance to play upfront to change things, but persist in playing a player who has not scored for 15 months in the league.
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Post by Jomo on Dec 11, 2018 21:43:02 GMT
I'd say he overachieved in getting us here, and keeping us here. I think he deserves a proper shot at keeping us here again. He had a bigger budget than most clubs so I’d say he done what was expected of a manager with his budgets over the time he’s been in charge,overachieving would be getting us into the championship,progressing to the second round of the F A cup.lol so now fans are saying we should keep him in charge to take us back down to league 2 because he deserves the chance because of the two promotions he’s achieved? Are we not allowed to take into account his two promotions? If not, by that logic I don't think we could recruit any other managers if DC left, because you can't factor in any of their past achievements.
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Post by madgas on Dec 11, 2018 21:44:31 GMT
I can't believe there are people coming on here that are prepared to except relegation with DC in the hope that we he may get us promoted again, that's ridiculous. For one, for years I followed Rovers and anything below mid table in the third tier would have been a bad season, now it appears acceptable for us to struggle at this level and below. We could be relegated and stuck in the fourth tier for the next 10 years, that is a risk not worth taking. DC has been given nearly half a season to get us into mid table safety it hasn't worked we cannot afford to be relegated and need to bring someone new in if things haven't improved by the new year. We probably got promoted with a league 2 team, once the buzz from the promotion wore off not enough was done to bring in players to keep us in this division, that is both DC and the owners fault having allowed so many good players to leave, some we could not keep but others perhaps we could have. Im pro DC because I believe he’s the best man to AVOID relegation. Not because I think he will take us back up.
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Post by socrates on Dec 11, 2018 22:30:14 GMT
I can't believe there are people coming on here that are prepared to except relegation with DC in the hope that we he may get us promoted again, that's ridiculous. For one, for years I followed Rovers and anything below mid table in the third tier would have been a bad season, now it appears acceptable for us to struggle at this level and below. We could be relegated and stuck in the fourth tier for the next 10 years, that is a risk not worth taking. DC has been given nearly half a season to get us into mid table safety it hasn't worked we cannot afford to be relegated and need to bring someone new in if things haven't improved by the new year. We probably got promoted with a league 2 team, once the buzz from the promotion wore off not enough was done to bring in players to keep us in this division, that is both DC and the owners fault having allowed so many good players to leave, some we could not keep but others perhaps we could have. Im pro DC because I believe he’s the best man to AVOID relegation. Not because I think he will take us back up. In a way I agree with you and I’m also a massive DC fan and think he’s a legend for what he’s achieved but the thing that worries me is how much he’s let his problems with the board effect what he says and goes about things in the media and on the pitch , with the players etc. He seems unhappy and a shadow of himself and I think that’s why the teams performances are poor or at least a very big reason amongst others. I’d trust a DC firing on all cylinders to keep us up , even finish mid table but I’m worried I don’t know if the DC we’ve got right now can turn it around. It’s a shame because he’s got the biggest budget he’s ever had but let other things get in the way of his concentration, fair enough some might say and I’d agree that it appears he’s been lied to but ultimately his job is to pick the team and get that team playing and winning and he’s not doing that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 22:36:08 GMT
He had a bigger budget than most clubs so I’d say he done what was expected of a manager with his budgets over the time he’s been in charge,overachieving would be getting us into the championship,progressing to the second round of the F A cup.lol so now fans are saying we should keep him in charge to take us back down to league 2 because he deserves the chance because of the two promotions he’s achieved? Are we not allowed to take into account his two promotions? If not, by that logic I don't think we could recruit any other managers if DC left, because you can't factor in any of their past achievements. The trouble with DC he keeps chopping and changing formations players and I’m sure players don’t like this,he says hardwork on the training ground,no days off, I think he’s lost the players respect and unity amongst the squad. sercombe wants out and so do Lockyer and we won’t replace them two in a hurry because in this division DC ain’t got the know how to bring in players needed for this standard of football I just wish he did but it just cannot go on any longer like it is I’m afraid.utg
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 22:42:46 GMT
Are we not allowed to take into account his two promotions? If not, by that logic I don't think we could recruit any other managers if DC left, because you can't factor in any of their past achievements. The trouble with DC he keeps chopping and changing formations players and I’m sure players don’t like this,he says hardwork on the training ground,no days off, I think he’s lost the players respect and unity amongst the squad. sercombe wants out and so do Lockyer and we won’t replace them two in a hurry because in this division DC ain’t got the know how to bring in players needed for this standard of football I just wish he did but it just cannot go on any longer like it is I’m afraid.utg How do you know sercombe and lockyer want out? Did you make that up?
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Post by wertongas on Dec 11, 2018 23:09:38 GMT
Im pro DC because I believe he’s the best man to AVOID relegation. Not because I think he will take us back up. In a way I agree with you and I’m also a massive DC fan and think he’s a legend for what he’s achieved but the thing that worries me is how much he’s let his problems with the board effect what he says and goes about things in the media and on the pitch , with the players etc. He seems unhappy and a shadow of himself and I think that’s why the teams performances are poor or at least a very big reason amongst others. I’d trust a DC firing on all cylinders to keep us up , even finish mid table but I’m worried I don’t know if the DC we’ve got right now can turn it around. It’s a shame because he’s got the biggest budget he’s ever had but let other things get in the way of his concentration, fair enough some might say and I’d agree that it appears he’s been lied to but ultimately his job is to pick the team and get that team playing and winning and he’s not doing that. I will be sad if DC leaves but I think it is more important that we stay in this division than stand by a manager that could relegate us, how much longer can we give him to turn things around?. I think DC like all of us was under the understanding that , improved stadium , improved training facilities and more money for the squad was on the way, it now appears we will get none of this in the foreseeable future. I think this has frustrated DC, when he talks now he appears upset and let down by the owners , like you say this has probably clouded his mind a bit and effected the players. You could say that the owners failure to deliver has led to frustration with fans, management and players alike. The owners are learning the hard way that it does not pay to mislead people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 7:25:29 GMT
The trouble with DC he keeps chopping and changing formations players and I’m sure players don’t like this,he says hardwork on the training ground,no days off, I think he’s lost the players respect and unity amongst the squad. sercombe wants out and so do Lockyer and we won’t replace them two in a hurry because in this division DC ain’t got the know how to bring in players needed for this standard of football I just wish he did but it just cannot go on any longer like it is I’m afraid.utg How do you know sercombe and lockyer want out? Did you make that up? I was right about the snake (clause in his contract) and I’m right about these two believe me financially it works for both players and the club. plus they ain’t happy with what’s happening on the pitch and of the pitch 😪 Hope my source is wrong but January will find out. Now imo I think Wael and co will try to cash in on players like the two above and will not sack DC,it will cost them too much money unless DC agrees a compromise with them,I don’t think they are bothered if we stay up or go down, that we could find out in January my opinion mind...
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 12, 2018 8:26:30 GMT
How do you know sercombe and lockyer want out? Did you make that up? I was right about the snake (clause in his contract) and I’m right about these two believe me financially it works for both players and the club. plus they ain’t happy with what’s happening on the pitch and of the pitch 😪 Hope my source is wrong but January will find out. Now imo I think Wael and co will try to cash in on players like the two above and will not sack DC,it will cost them too much money unless DC agrees a compromise with them, I don’t think they are bothered if we stay up or go down, that we could find out in January my opinion mind... That's a concern as it could well be an easier life for the owners in Div 2, with not so much pressure to sort out the Mem in the short term and also lower wages demands from the players/lower losses.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 8:46:29 GMT
I was right about the snake (clause in his contract) and I’m right about these two believe me financially it works for both players and the club. plus they ain’t happy with what’s happening on the pitch and of the pitch 😪 Hope my source is wrong but January will find out. Now imo I think Wael and co will try to cash in on players like the two above and will not sack DC,it will cost them too much money unless DC agrees a compromise with them, I don’t think they are bothered if we stay up or go down, that we could find out in January my opinion mind... That's a concern as it could well be an easier life for the owners in Div 2, with not so much pressure to sort out the Mem in the short term and also lower wages demands from the players/lower losses. I fear the worst from these owners but god I hope I’m wrong.
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 12, 2018 9:31:03 GMT
I'd say he overachieved in getting us here, and keeping us here. I think he deserves a proper shot at keeping us here again. He had a bigger budget than most clubs so I’d say he done what was expected of a manager with his budgets over the time he’s been in charge,overachieving would be getting us into the championship,progressing to the second round of the F A cup.lol so now fans are saying we should keep him in charge to take us back down to league 2 because he deserves the chance because of the two promotions he’s achieved? What makes you think he had a bigger budget than most clubs in League 2? We had been in the doldrums in League 2 for most of the decade before, and remember we up poop creek financially with Higgs at the time.
He also had to build that double promotion team almost from scratch. A big budget is great, but it takes time to get the right players in. He did it incredibly fast.
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