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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 11, 2018 13:44:27 GMT
We’ve been a league one club throughout most of are history being in the championship would be overachieving,did trolls,Gerry Francis,Holloway,megson go on about overachieving no they just got on with the job in hand the stadium they played in and a lower budgets,Francis even put his hand in his own pocket too help the players. You are right about our overall history, and our 20th century history and I've written about this. The point he was really making though is that football has changed dramatically this century and we haven't changed with it. We aren't at a consistent Lge 1 standard / set up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 13:46:57 GMT
If it is going to happen at all, today was surely the day that Darrell was going to be sacked. Most people can see past the recent run of results and can understand the bigger picture of what he's working with, but commenting so outspokenly about your boss/company would usually result in dismissal. Either way, after a big home defeat and an inflammatory interview like that, it's fair to suggest that he might have lost his job at some clubs today. Fortunately though, the owners haven't done that. Whether that is because of the cost of sacking him, the inevitable backlash against them if they did, or perhaps a combination of the two, I don't know. Perhaps Wael has enough football nous to understand that no manager is likely to keep over achieving the way that Darrell has when his tools keep getting taken away and replaced with inferior ones (even accepting that the constraints of being a lower league club may mean that is the only sensible way to operate). Whatever. The important thing is that, thankfully, they haven't sacked him. And if they didn't today, surely they're not about to do so. So how about we do what we're here to do and get behind him and the team? Aside from the obvious need for someone to put the ball in the net, the other thing that is needed if this club is going to stay up is some unity. As supporters, we can't do anything about the former but we sure as hell can play our part in the latter. Supporting the team when it's hard to do so is what Gasheads used to be good at...and what we've always had over them down the road. UTG You obviously missed the bit where he said this season's budget is the best he has had in his time at the club and is a mid table budget, so I think we can all finally bin the notion that he hasn't been supported. We are in the relegation zone because he has assembled a squad full of belters, some of whom he refuses to drop and others who he plays out of position. Nobody else's fault but DC's. So despite everything he has achieved here and the loyalty he has shown us, you would bin him at the first sign that he may not be able to keep us at the level to which he elevated us to? Hasn't he earned more respect than that? Hasn't he earned the right to try and keep us here or if not, a shot at getting us back?
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Post by baggins on Dec 11, 2018 13:47:32 GMT
Clap clap clap. Football has changed and we haven't changed with it. Our 21st century record is indeed worrying. that's the thing about evolution. Survival of the fittest. You adapt slower than everyone else and you get wiped out. The evolution revolution was just another turd birthed from the lips of our beloved chairman anyway. Credibility zero. You remembered the statement though so some may say job done. Never, in the field of human conflict, has so mu... yea ok Bags, that's enough.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 13:47:55 GMT
Apart from anything else if DC hopes to attract players to the club in January or after why is he going on record on the radio to talk about how sh1te everything is here. For all my support of DC, I do think this is a very good shout.
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Post by baggins on Dec 11, 2018 13:55:08 GMT
Apart from anything else if DC hopes to attract players to the club in January or after why is he going on record on the radio to talk about how sh1te everything is here. For all my support of DC, I do think this is a very good shout. It's his plan. To put other clubs off our targets for January.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 13:59:38 GMT
You obviously missed the bit where he said this season's budget is the best he has had in his time at the club and is a mid table budget, so I think we can all finally bin the notion that he hasn't been supported. We are in the relegation zone because he has assembled a squad full of belters, some of whom he refuses to drop and others who he plays out of position. Nobody else's fault but DC's. So despite everything he has achieved here and the loyalty he has shown us, you would bin him at the first sign that he may not be able to keep us at the level to which he elevated us to? Hasn't he earned more respect than that? Hasn't he earned the right to try and keep us here or if not, a shot at getting us back? I was responding to you saying he hasn't been backed, whether he should be sacked is a totally different argument. Could we do better? Undoubtedly yes. Will we do better? Probably not. It's not like the players are under-performing, the quality just isn't there across the board. I would be in favour of getting a new manager in if chosen by proper footballing minds with an appropriate salary and bonus for staying up...but even if we had such a manager how do we perform a total transfusion on the squad and that is DC's biggest failing- saddling us with a squad that simply is not league one standard so even if we got Allardyce in I doubt he could keep us up. So I would be inclined to keep DC until the end of the season and let him suffer the blow to his reputation of presiding over a terrible rabble that will almost certainly go down and then relieve him of his duties and let some other poor sod rebuild next season. The end of this season will mark a season and a half of a terrible run under DC with poor recruitment decisions and bizarre tactical choices such as Sercombe on the wing and Nichols being undroppable. It is beyond debate in my mind that DC has lost what made him great added to him not have the ability to recruit at league one level.
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Post by darkbluegas on Dec 11, 2018 14:00:11 GMT
You obviously missed the bit where he said this season's budget is the best he has had in his time at the club and is a mid table budget, so I think we can all finally bin the notion that he hasn't been supported. We are in the relegation zone because he has assembled a squad full of belters, some of whom he refuses to drop and others who he plays out of position. Nobody else's fault but DC's. So despite everything he has achieved here and the loyalty he has shown us, you would bin him at the first sign that he may not be able to keep us at the level to which he elevated us to? Hasn't he earned more respect than that? Hasn't he earned the right to try and keep us here or if not, a shot at getting us back? For me he would have gone after the Barnet debacle. His downbeat attitude cannot be helping the squad morale. It doesn't matter where we've played in the past or what historically expectations are we have a chance to avoid relegation to the Fourth Division. We need an upbeat attitude to get this lot organised. I don't think many of us would last long in our employment slagging off our employers without giving evidence of our concerns.
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Post by darkbluegas on Dec 11, 2018 14:02:50 GMT
So despite everything he has achieved here and the loyalty he has shown us, you would bin him at the first sign that he may not be able to keep us at the level to which he elevated us to? Hasn't he earned more respect than that? Hasn't he earned the right to try and keep us here or if not, a shot at getting us back? For me he would have gone after the Barnet debacle. His downbeat attitude cannot be helping the squad morale. It doesn't matter where we've played in the past or what historically expectations are we have a chance to avoid relegation to the Fourth Division. We need an upbeat attitude to get this lot organised. I don't think many of us would last long in our employment slagging off our employers without giving evidence of our concerns.
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Post by toobluee on Dec 11, 2018 15:24:05 GMT
"So despite everything he has achieved here and the loyalty he has shown us, you would bin him at the first sign that he may not be able to keep us at the level to which he elevated us to?
Hasn't he earned more respect than that? Hasn't he earned the right to try and keep us here or if not, a shot at getting us back?" People posting these sorts of comments are starting to water me off to the fullest, it's not DCs club, he got us Back to a level we should have never dropped from a decade or so ago, gives him no right to take us all the way back down again, he's had mid table budget, brought complete sh**e in, refuses to drop any of the sh**e.. drops anyone who develops the tiniest bit of form, the ma is arrogant and tactically inept. Time for a change.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 15:27:57 GMT
"So despite everything he has achieved here and the loyalty he has shown us, you would bin him at the first sign that he may not be able to keep us at the level to which he elevated us to? Hasn't he earned more respect than that? Hasn't he earned the right to try and keep us here or if not, a shot at getting us back?" People posting these sorts of comments are starting to water me off to the fullest, it's not DCs club, he got us Back to a level we should have never dropped from a decade or so ago, gives him no right to take us all the way back down again, he's had mid table budget, brought complete sh**e in, refuses to drop any of the sh**e.. drops anyone who develops the tiniest bit of form, the ma is arrogant and tactically inept. Time for a change. Apologies for watering you off.
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Post by robbo on Dec 11, 2018 15:38:28 GMT
if players are treated like schoolboys they will play like schoolboys
training every day until out of bottom 3
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 15:39:02 GMT
So despite everything he has achieved here and the loyalty he has shown us, you would bin him at the first sign that he may not be able to keep us at the level to which he elevated us to? Hasn't he earned more respect than that? Hasn't he earned the right to try and keep us here or if not, a shot at getting us back? I was responding to you saying he hasn't been backed, whether he should be sacked is a totally different argument. Could we do better? Undoubtedly yes. Will we do better? Probably not. It's not like the players are under-performing, the quality just isn't there across the board. I would be in favour of getting a new manager in if chosen by proper footballing minds with an appropriate salary and bonus for staying up...but even if we had such a manager how do we perform a total transfusion on the squad and that is DC's biggest failing- saddling us with a squad that simply is not league one standard so even if we got Allardyce in I doubt he could keep us up. So I would be inclined to keep DC until the end of the season and let him suffer the blow to his reputation of presiding over a terrible rabble that will almost certainly go down and then relieve him of his duties and let some other poor sod rebuild next season. The end of this season will mark a season and a half of a terrible run under DC with poor recruitment decisions and bizarre tactical choices such as Sercombe on the wing and Nichols being undroppable. It is beyond debate in my mind that DC has lost what made him great added to him not have the ability to recruit at league one level. I guess that's where we differ on this. I think the players are League 1 standard but are underperforming. Kyle Bennett, Liam Sercombe and Chris Lines are three existing players who have proved they have the ability at this level but have all had poor seasons. In Sercombe's case I would agree that playing him wide hasn't helped. Coupled with that are new signings such as Stefan Payne, Alex Rodman, Tom Nichols (no goals although he has played well to be fair) and Ed Upson, all of whom have performed well at this level previously but for whatever reason have struggled this season. Put all that together with the loss of Lee Brown and Ellis Harrison, who probably had a combined worth to us of well over £1m and it's not hard to see why this season has been a struggle. Recruitment is an interesting one and ultimately he will be judged on our different opinions. Of his major League 1 signings, I'd say Bennett, Sercombe and Craig have all been success stories on the whole, yet Payne and Nichols haven't. Others would put different names on either list, I guess, but I would agree that recruitment this summer has been poor (as Darrell Clarke admitted himself the other day).
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Post by darkbluegas on Dec 11, 2018 17:19:55 GMT
I'd expected some action by the board by today. It seems that unless DC is moved on pretty soon we'll soon find ourselves too far adrift of safety to do anything about it.
I'm frankly amazed that supporters still harp back to promotion from non league and the Fourth Division with, as we now know, three championship standard players in the side.
The only fact worth considering is that we have 17 points from a possible 63. But hey ho we can all spend the summer watching Back to Back promotion DVD's whilst looking forward to another season in the Fourth Division
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 17:25:31 GMT
When DC goes it's Jenga time - which sucker would come in to pick up all the scattered pieces-dead wood!
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 11, 2018 17:28:28 GMT
if players are treated like schoolboys they will play like schoolboys training every day until out of bottom 3 do your job pal and earn it.
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 11, 2018 18:47:57 GMT
Francis left as soon as he overachieved.
Holloway never overachieved - he didn't get us promoted.
Trolls got the sack
Megson was 40 years ago.
The game 30, 40 years ago was very different to now. A lot less about money, a lot less money in it. Compared to our recent history, i.e. the last 20 years, we are overachieving.
So do you think DC is overachieving this season? I'd say he overachieved in getting us here, and keeping us here. I think he deserves a proper shot at keeping us here again.
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Post by glengas on Dec 11, 2018 19:24:36 GMT
I'd expected some action by the board by today. It seems that unless DC is moved on pretty soon we'll soon find ourselves too far adrift of safety to do anything about it. I'm frankly amazed that supporters still harp back to promotion from non league and the Fourth Division with, as we now know, three championship standard players in the side. The only fact worth considering is that we have 17 points from a possible 63. But hey ho we can all spend the summer watching Back to Back promotion DVD's whilst looking forward to another season in the Fourth Division I’m frankly amazed you expect any action from the board.
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Post by darkbluegas on Dec 11, 2018 19:32:53 GMT
I'd expected some action by the board by today. It seems that unless DC is moved on pretty soon we'll soon find ourselves too far adrift of safety to do anything about it. I'm frankly amazed that supporters still harp back to promotion from non league and the Fourth Division with, as we now know, three championship standard players in the side. The only fact worth considering is that we have 17 points from a possible 63. But hey ho we can all spend the summer watching Back to Back promotion DVD's whilst looking forward to another season in the Fourth Division I’m frankly amazed you expect any action from the board. Very fair point
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Post by Jomo on Dec 11, 2018 19:33:03 GMT
I'd expected some action by the board by today. It seems that unless DC is moved on pretty soon we'll soon find ourselves too far adrift of safety to do anything about it. I'm frankly amazed that supporters still harp back to promotion from non league and the Fourth Division with, as we now know, three championship standard players in the side. The only fact worth considering is that we have 17 points from a possible 63. But hey ho we can all spend the summer watching Back to Back promotion DVD's whilst looking forward to another season in the Fourth Division Which Championship standard players are you referring to? Bonham and?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 11, 2018 19:45:41 GMT
I'd expected some action by the board by today. It seems that unless DC is moved on pretty soon we'll soon find ourselves too far adrift of safety to do anything about it. I'm frankly amazed that supporters still harp back to promotion from non league and the Fourth Division with, as we now know, three championship standard players in the side. The only fact worth considering is that we have 17 points from a possible 63. But hey ho we can all spend the summer watching Back to Back promotion DVD's whilst looking forward to another season in the Fourth Division Which Championship standard players are you referring to? Bonham and? Taylor, Harrison and Bodin.
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