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Post by oasisgas on Dec 20, 2019 23:11:21 GMT
Quite long but very good listen for those who want to learn more about Ben Garner.
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Post by toddy1953 on Dec 20, 2019 23:30:02 GMT
I am sure Pirate has highlighted many many players on here & I don’t know if he recommends to the club as a scout, some may never work out, some may work out elsewhere but not here & visa versa. Some he highlights may never be possible to get here. I looked at players like White & Menssah Nichols, for example & thought they could do well here, but for reasons it didn’t work out, I think it shows how difficult getting recruiting right. You have top managers who pay millions for a player & it just don’t work Holding up examples of players that were recommended by someone that failed will never be a good justification of someone being poor in that department, especially since Pirate also heavily recommended the likes of Ivan Toney, Paddy Madden & James Collins a couple years back. Quite. As Pirate has said he has highlighted a lot of players that have turned out to be very good players, whether any have played for us I don’t know, but the point I make is that it’s a gamble & just because, White, for arguments sake, failed with us, doesn’t mean he would have failed anywhere else. Although I’m sure all clubs, rue the ones that got away. I’ve not said Pirate is poor in that department, in fact his record on here says he is not.
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Post by brfc on Dec 20, 2019 23:44:01 GMT
ben garner could bring lambert with him as assistant imagine that
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 23:47:52 GMT
ben garner could bring lambert with him as assistant imagine that Unless he was doing it as a favour I doubt very much moving back to Bristol at this point for an assistant managers wage is at all appealing for Lambo.
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Post by Nortongashead on Dec 21, 2019 0:01:36 GMT
But GC had played the game and was a seasoned pro - particularly when it comes to having to 'handle' equally seasoned pros - he had earned respect and the players he inherited knew him. Exactly - and that's massive. GC was a leader in his playing days and could command the respect of the dressing room, which he replicated here as a manager. Ben Garner would be a competition winner if he got this gig. That’s where Mansell would help. The guy was bought in by DC to run the dressing room. Garner and Mansell for me.
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Post by Squiffy on Dec 21, 2019 0:23:35 GMT
ben garner could bring lambert with him as assistant imagine that I was thinking that he might be able to twist Pulis’ arm to support him until the end of the season as he’s not doing much else at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 8:45:50 GMT
Exactly - and that's massive. GC was a leader in his playing days and could command the respect of the dressing room, which he replicated here as a manager. Ben Garner would be a competition winner if he got this gig. That’s where Mansell would help. The guy was bought in by DC to run the dressing room. Garner and Mansell for me. What's the logic for you behind BG Norton? Interested to know.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 21, 2019 8:52:55 GMT
Exactly - and that's massive. GC was a leader in his playing days and could command the respect of the dressing room, which he replicated here as a manager. Ben Garner would be a competition winner if he got this gig. That’s where Mansell would help. The guy was bought in by DC to run the dressing room. Garner and Mansell for me. The face he was brought in just to run the dressing room shows what a guy Mansell is. Future dream team: - Manager: Mansell - Assistant Manager: Lambert - Fitness Coach: Sinclair - Youth Coach: Byron Anthony
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Dec 21, 2019 9:16:29 GMT
Quite long but very good listen for those who want to learn more about Ben Garner. Good Listen! Great find Oasisgas. We could have a real gem here with BG. interesting that he's a Spanish speaker!
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Post by Nortongashead on Dec 21, 2019 9:17:49 GMT
That’s where Mansell would help. The guy was bought in by DC to run the dressing room. Garner and Mansell for me. What's the logic for you behind BG Norton? Interested to know. One the top coaches in the country, deserves a chance. Will have plenty of contacts. Something a bit different I suppose.
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Post by dinsdale on Dec 21, 2019 9:22:16 GMT
I am sure Pirate has highlighted many many players on here & I don’t know if he recommends to the club as a scout, some may never work out, some may work out elsewhere but not here & visa versa. Some he highlights may never be possible to get here. I looked at players like White & Menssah Nichols, for example & thought they could do well here, but for reasons it didn’t work out, I think it shows how difficult getting recruiting right. You have top managers who pay millions for a player & it just don’t work Holding up examples of players that were recommended by someone that failed will never be a good justification of someone being poor in that department, especially since Pirate also heavily recommended the likes of Ivan Toney, Paddy Madden & James Collins a couple years back. Aside its meant as a joke and i really like Wes and his posts. I annoy him with this once a year and if hes lucky il throw in a Ross Allen
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Post by blueridge on Dec 21, 2019 9:37:08 GMT
What's the logic for you behind BG Norton? Interested to know. One the top coaches in the country, deserves a chance. Will have plenty of contacts. Something a bit different I suppose. Maybe - so good but not currently employed by anyone in the UK. A definite no for me - poor list of candidates iIMO - confirmed by the low odds for Garner - I’d make an approach for Richie Wellens now - contract with Swindon expires at the end of season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 10:24:10 GMT
What's the logic for you behind BG Norton? Interested to know. One the top coaches in the country, deserves a chance. Will have plenty of contacts. Something a bit different I suppose. We're 4th in the table, why do we need something a bit different? Not sure how you've come to the conclusion that he's one of the top coaches in this country, especially considering he had to go to the Indian Super League to get work. The contacts point isn't massively valid IMO. We're hardly blessed with scope to recruit numerous players nor would there be any assurances that he would deliver decent players for this level.
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Post by pudseygas on Dec 21, 2019 10:34:49 GMT
One the top coaches in the country, deserves a chance. Will have plenty of contacts. Something a bit different I suppose. We're 4th in the table, why do we need something a bit different? Not sure how you've come to the conclusion that he's one of the top coaches in this country, especially considering he had to go to the Indian Super League to get work. The contacts point isn't massively valid IMO. We're hardly blessed with scope to recruit numerous players nor would there be any assurances that he would deliver decent players for this level. I get the feeling you're not too keen on the appointment
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Post by stevek192 on Dec 21, 2019 10:46:15 GMT
Top Coaches do not always make good Managers. DC is a fine example. Look what happened when he got all his coaches Badges!! It all went to pieces. We don't want somebody with a lot of ideas we need somebody who can manage and motivate with the ability to bring in a couple of gems very cheaply- that's how this football club works or doesn't..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 10:47:05 GMT
I'm undecided on Ben Garner. Certainly has good coaching pedigree and is certainly a student of the game. But has no experience of lower league football, will he be able to get tactical messages across to lower league players who often lack the technique and football brain of top level players. How will he cope working from a portacabin and the single pitch up at the training ground without a team of assistant coaches to help. As someone mention there does not seem to be a queue for his services in the UK. He can certainly talk the talk but I've no idea if he can walk the walk in the tough world of lower league football.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 21, 2019 10:47:26 GMT
What's the logic for you behind BG Norton? Interested to know. One the top coaches in the country, deserves a chance. Will have plenty of contacts. Something a bit different I suppose. That's totally nonsense, he's so good he had to take a job in the Indian Super League as Steve Coppells assistant and then was sacked with him six months later, I sense he's a guy who's good at making out he's a good coach but there's nothing on his CV to suggest that's the really case. Plus we need a managr anyway not just a coach.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 21, 2019 10:51:56 GMT
One the top coaches in the country, deserves a chance. Will have plenty of contacts. Something a bit different I suppose. That's totally nonsense, he's so good he had to take a job in the Indian Super League as Steve Coppells assistant and then was sacked with him six months later, I sense he's a guy who's good at making out he's a good coach but there's nothing on his CV to suggest that's the really case. Plus we need a managr anyway not just a coach. GC was first team coach under DC. DC was awful since he came in. DC was sacked. GC turned us around. There’s nothing to say that Ben Garner was culpable for what Coppel was doing.
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Post by pucklegas on Dec 21, 2019 10:54:36 GMT
I would offer him a job until the end of the season to see how he does, seems a big gamble we cant afford to pay someone off again. A safer option would be paul Tisdale.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 10:54:46 GMT
One the top coaches in the country, deserves a chance. Will have plenty of contacts. Something a bit different I suppose. That's totally nonsense, he's so good he had to take a job in the Indian Super League as Steve Coppells assistant and then was sacked with him six months later, I sense he's a guy who's good at making out he's a good coach but there's nothing on his CV to suggest that's the really case. Plus we need a managr anyway not just a coach. Yes, he does seem a bit of a self publicist and that does worry me a bit. Is he a legend in his own and Pirate's mind? I don't know what the substance is behind all his theoretical studies of the game. Is he too academic for a football manager in the lower league with a club with very limited resources. I just don't know.
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