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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 19, 2019 19:05:23 GMT
Can't remember exactly what I said, but thought I said probably not far off it. A lot of fees were undisclosed, so we don't know how much money we waisted lol. DC was tasked with the same problem all Rovers managers have faced over the years. Sell your best players and replace them at a fraction of the price. And whilst you are blaming him for the money wasted I think you will find it was him that brought in Taylor, Bodin and managed to turn Harrison into a decent player. The problem now for any Rovers manager is in the past you would knock on the chairman’s door and ask the budget, the club is run in such a crackpot way you will be lucky to know it before the transfer window nearly shuts. I was a DC fan, until the last few months. I know the work he did. The last 2 seasons, he did waiste money though. He did better with a smaller squad, getting free transfers in and getting them to fight for the shirt etc. It was when the budget was increased and he had money to spend, he struggled. It's like he went away, from what he was doing before. When he sold the snake, he was given a lot more than we received for him, in the next window. Which he spent on Sercombe and Nichols. He had already bought Burn and Partington, before we received any money from fees. He was given most the money back. It's the small fees we got for the player's, that was the problem.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 19, 2019 19:08:09 GMT
OP's a notorious ALQ hater so it'll be interesting to see if that rumours got legs, or just part of his agenda. I'd be a bit surprised if we get £400K for a player who's done little for us this season. If we have it seems good business, if GC gets a decent amount to spend on a striker or CM. I’m not an ALQ hater, I’m critical of them yes, and I’m not gullible of the bulls lies they think they can feed the fan base and think they can get away with. If you choose to believe everything they and Messrs Hamer and Starnes feed you then more fool you. Ask yourself, How many times has Hamer been caught lying, being misrepresentative or economical with the truth? He’s either the biggest liar about or he’s instructed to say some of it from his masters. This was just something I heard from other individuals and it seems Pete O’Rourke has something too. Could be nothing but a rumour especially if the eye injury is legit.
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Post by glengas on Jan 19, 2019 19:16:06 GMT
DC was tasked with the same problem all Rovers managers have faced over the years. Sell your best players and replace them at a fraction of the price. And whilst you are blaming him for the money wasted I think you will find it was him that brought in Taylor, Bodin and managed to turn Harrison into a decent player. The problem now for any Rovers manager is in the past you would knock on the chairman’s door and ask the budget, the club is run in such a crackpot way you will be lucky to know it before the transfer window nearly shuts. I was a DC fan, until the last few months. I know the work he did. The last 2 seasons, he did waiste money though. He did better with a smaller squad, getting free transfers in and getting them to fight for the shirt etc. It was when the budget was increased and he had money to spend, he struggled. It's like he went away, from what he was doing before. When he sold the snake, he was given a lot more than we received for him, in the next window. Which he spent on Sercombe and Nichols. He had already bought Burn and Partington, before we received any money from fees. He was given most the money back. It's the small fees we got for the player's, that was the problem. So he got nearly 1.5 million then?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 19:17:24 GMT
If we get a good fee and a good left winger and striker then I’d be happy with that business
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 19, 2019 19:21:23 GMT
I was a DC fan, until the last few months. I know the work he did. The last 2 seasons, he did waiste money though. He did better with a smaller squad, getting free transfers in and getting them to fight for the shirt etc. It was when the budget was increased and he had money to spend, he struggled. It's like he went away, from what he was doing before. When he sold the snake, he was given a lot more than we received for him, in the next window. Which he spent on Sercombe and Nichols. He had already bought Burn and Partington, before we received any money from fees. He was given most the money back. It's the small fees we got for the player's, that was the problem. So he got nearly 1.5 million then? Didn't say that. We received £750,000 for Bodin and Taylor, think he got the majority of that. Then apparently he got the Ellis fee we received so far, to spend on Payne as we are getting it in instalments. Think his signings will easily add up to around £750,000 pre Ellis/Payne. Not far off it anyway. Like I said hard to know exact figures though, although all will be revealed in the accounts. In the last lot, we had spent more than we received.
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Post by glengas on Jan 19, 2019 19:25:07 GMT
So he got nearly 1.5 million then? Didn't say that. We received £750,000 for Bodin and Taylor, think he got the majority of that. Then apparently he got the Ellis fee we received so far, to spend on Payne as we are getting it in instalments. Think his signings will easily add up to around £750,000 pre Ellis/Payne. Not far off it anyway. Like I said hard to know exact figures though, although all will be revealed in the accounts. In the last lot, we had spent more than we received. He didn’t get all the Bodin money and he got a third of the Harrison money. Taylor was a different case as we only got a fraction of his true value due to the clause in his contract. I believe our transfer record is still from the Twerton days.
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Post by oldgas on Jan 19, 2019 19:33:24 GMT
This rumour about Sercs was swirling through the East stand like a wild fire. First he was withdrawn for talks and toward kick-off he was gone pending a medical!
I couldn't see anything anywhere on the Internet and these things usually get out.
I wonder who started this, and what they get for this nonsense?
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 19, 2019 19:33:34 GMT
yes but not 100%, as you’ve suggested! Far from it Can't remember exactly what I said, but thought I said probably not far off it. A lot of fees were undisclosed, so we don't know how much money we waisted lol. we also don’t know the full amounts we were paid? But I bet we didn’t get a third to spend on players. This club has a decent record, of selling us the fans short. It’s been going on consistently since the late 70’s, since I’ve been supporting them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 19:34:12 GMT
So he got nearly 1.5 million then? Didn't say that. We received £750,000 for Bodin and Taylor, think he got the majority of that. Then apparently he got the Ellis fee we received so far, to spend on Payne as we are getting it in instalments. Think his signings will easily add up to around £750,000 pre Ellis/Payne. Not far off it anyway. Like I said hard to know exact figures though, although all will be revealed in the accounts. In the last lot, we had spent more than we received. Do you think all signings we make are paid in full up front and only other clubs pay in instalments?
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 19, 2019 19:46:40 GMT
We only got £150k up front for Ellis and won’t get the full amount until the summer. I was told that by WAQ himself.
I think it absolutely stinks though that a championship club, in one of the most afluent leagues in the world cannot pay a small club the majority of the transfer fee. And I also cannot believe that our board are stupid enough to accept those terms.
Fair play to Higgs, when he was chairman, he squeezed every penny out of Southampton for Sir Rickie which includes £900k of the £1.25m fee up front and then inserted add ons on top including international fees. Brilliant business.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 19, 2019 19:54:37 GMT
We only got £150k up front for Ellis and won’t get the full amount until the summer. I was told that by WAQ himself. I think it absolutely stinks though that a championship club, in one of the most afluent leagues in the world cannot pay a small club the majority of the transfer fee. And I also cannot believe that our board are stupid enough to accept those terms. Fair play to Higgs, when he was chairman, he squeezed every penny out of Southampton for Sir Rickie which includes £900k of the £1.25m fee up front and then inserted add ons on top including international fees. Brilliant business. Yeah, I miss the days of Higgs where we went from a club in the black to one in massive debt and relegated to the conference. We won't see halcyon days like that again.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Jan 19, 2019 19:57:24 GMT
We only got £150k up front for Ellis and won’t get the full amount until the summer. I was told that by WAQ himself. I think it absolutely stinks though that a championship club, in one of the most afluent leagues in the world cannot pay a small club the majority of the transfer fee. And I also cannot believe that our board are stupid enough to accept those terms. Fair play to Higgs, when he was chairman, he squeezed every penny out of Southampton for Sir Rickie which includes £900k of the £1.25m fee up front and then inserted add ons on top including international fees. Brilliant business. Yeah, I miss the days of Higgs where we went from a club in the black to one in massive debt and relegated to the conference. We won't see halcyon days like that again. Tbf though, he did get most of Lambert's fee upfront.... So must go down as our best chairman ever...
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 19, 2019 20:17:23 GMT
Can't remember exactly what I said, but thought I said probably not far off it. A lot of fees were undisclosed, so we don't know how much money we waisted lol. we also don’t know the full amounts we were paid? But I bet we didn’t get a third to spend on players. This club has a decent record, of selling us the fans short. It’s been going on consistently since the late 70’s, since I’ve been supporting them. A third??? Lol we have spent way more than that. If we got £250,000 for the snake, £500,000 for Bodin and only received about £200,000 for Ellis so far that's only £950,000 roughly. We spent about £300-£350,000 on Nichols. £150,000 roughly on Sercombe £250,000 on Payne roughly That's about £750,000. Then how much on Burn, Mensah, Partington and THD. If you said £50,000 each roughly that's the £950,000. Not to mention signing on fees for player's like Rodman. Clough said they could not compete with our deal. Like I said it has to be close to 100%. That's rough, some could be higher, some lower. But I can't see how we have only reinvested 33% ?? Would like to see your estimated to get it around a third. Maybe if you count the whole Ellis fee. Even then that would put the total at £1.5 million. We have spent more than £500,000 even if you under estimate the fees.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 19, 2019 20:17:34 GMT
Sercombe to Pompey? bye then , he aint been the same player this season, perhaps he had his head turned by Browner and like him is engineering a move? if true take the 400k and move on , sign the FG game trialist and the lad from Chippenham, better hungry triers who want to earn a contract than those going though the motions!
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 19, 2019 20:17:56 GMT
We only got £150k up front for Ellis and won’t get the full amount until the summer. I was told that by WAQ himself. I think it absolutely stinks though that a championship club, in one of the most afluent leagues in the world cannot pay a small club the majority of the transfer fee. And I also cannot believe that our board are stupid enough to accept those terms. Fair play to Higgs, when he was chairman, he squeezed every penny out of Southampton for Sir Rickie which includes £900k of the £1.25m fee up front and then inserted add ons on top including international fees. Brilliant business. Yeah, I miss the days of Higgs where we went from a club in the black to one in massive debt and relegated to the conference. We won't see halcyon days like that again. Did you not attend the seasons where we were promoted back to L2 and then it was his signings and manager that carried us on into L1...we just all got carried away on the promises of a bunch of fake sheiks and carried one of them down Gloucester Road. We also had less debt then, no charge against the Mem and no interest on the loans made to the club. In case you haven’t noticed we are staring relegation back to L2 in a far worse state than when we left it, even to the conference let alone promotion to L1, with owners that aren’t interested and or haven’t got a clue how to run a club, oh and not only that, walked away from the best chance we ever had of playing in a decent stadium and then chose to fabricate a nonsense story about another stadium plot going through the hoop. And you talk about Halcyon days...
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Post by Gas1977 on Jan 19, 2019 20:25:44 GMT
If Sercombe is off to Pompey maybe we enquire about a swap for x amount of money + Louis Dennis and Burgess?
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Post by gasify on Jan 19, 2019 20:27:23 GMT
Yeah, I miss the days of Higgs where we went from a club in the black to one in massive debt and relegated to the conference. We won't see halcyon days like that again. Did you not attend the seasons where we were promoted back to L2 and then it was his signings and manager that carried us on into L1...we just all got carried away on the promises of a bunch of fake sheiks and carried one of them down Gloucester Road. We also had less debt then, no charge against the Mem and no interest on the loans made to the club. In case you haven’t noticed we are staring relegation back to L2 in a far worse state than when we left it, even to the conference let alone promotion to L1, with owners that aren’t interested and or haven’t got a clue how to run a club, oh and not only that, walked away from the best chance we ever had of playing in a decent stadium and then chose to fabricate a nonsense story about another stadium plot going through the hoop. And you talk about Halcyon days... Is there any evidence of this? I read somewhere that the announcement also coincided with the Civil Service sports club no longer being up for sale. I am not in the know, but I did believe their story as it made sense of some of the other issues.
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Post by glengas on Jan 19, 2019 20:47:30 GMT
The Civil Service club threatened closure had nothing to do with Rovers. It was to do with the Head Office wanting to close it. Surely that land would be more valuable for housing.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 19, 2019 20:55:07 GMT
Did you not attend the seasons where we were promoted back to L2 and then it was his signings and manager that carried us on into L1...we just all got carried away on the promises of a bunch of fake sheiks and carried one of them down Gloucester Road. We also had less debt then, no charge against the Mem and no interest on the loans made to the club. In case you haven’t noticed we are staring relegation back to L2 in a far worse state than when we left it, even to the conference let alone promotion to L1, with owners that aren’t interested and or haven’t got a clue how to run a club, oh and not only that, walked away from the best chance we ever had of playing in a decent stadium and then chose to fabricate a nonsense story about another stadium plot going through the hoop. And you talk about Halcyon days... Is there any evidence of this? I read somewhere that the announcement also coincided with the Civil Service sports club no longer being up for sale. I am not in the know, but I did believe their story as it made sense of some of the other issues. I have no evidence other than circumstantial observations based on experience. I’ve been in the brokerage business for years and have NDAs with many clients. Land is the only asset you can never keep confidential because of the searches and implications of carries, such as residential impact. There is no way that we, a fairly high profile sports team in the area, would be able to keep the purchase of a recreation ground quiet. So either we were buying a piece of commercial land next to the motorway somewhere or I would say it’s bs.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 19, 2019 21:21:35 GMT
Yeah, I miss the days of Higgs where we went from a club in the black to one in massive debt and relegated to the conference. We won't see halcyon days like that again. Did you not attend the seasons where we were promoted back to L2 and then it was his signings and manager that carried us on into L1...we just all got carried away on the promises of a bunch of fake sheiks and carried one of them down Gloucester Road. We also had less debt then, no charge against the Mem and no interest on the loans made to the club. In case you haven’t noticed we are staring relegation back to L2 in a far worse state than when we left it, even to the conference let alone promotion to L1, with owners that aren’t interested and or haven’t got a clue how to run a club, oh and not only that, walked away from the best chance we ever had of playing in a decent stadium and then chose to fabricate a nonsense story about another stadium plot going through the hoop. And you talk about Halcyon days... I think you using the term fake sheikh is a little..... disappointing. Think I'll leave it there.
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