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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 19:27:08 GMT
There is no real evidence for the prem b/u21/u23/over 40s teams entering the efl. And boycotting a competition whos attendences were low anyway seems pointless... No evidence...apart from the fact they've now entered EFL competition?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 19:32:47 GMT
The Premier League and FA must be quaking in their boots over this boycott now its really gathering pace. Hopefully the boycotters will get themselves organised this time and someone might at least think they care enough to get out from behind their keyboards and a warm telly to demonstrate. You know a good old fashioned protest, giving out a few leaflets or maybe a picket line. Just something more than bleating online... please. Embarrassing post. Why hand out leaflets when you can present your case to the vast majority online? Strange logic. I'd happily talk to anyone about my strong views on this in person, as I'm sure others would. The action is being taken by not engaging with a competition which most accept will be detrimental to our club in the long term.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 19:39:48 GMT
As much as it pains me to say this as I would love another day out at Wembley, me and my mates will be continuing to boycott these games. Otherwise, what is the point of boycotting in the first place. In the longer term it just means more of the same year in, year out. I don’t want to see another Premier League under 23s team playing against our first team. As others have said it only benefits the elite in this country and widens an already unbearable gap between the haves and the have nots. I’m not going against my principles just because there is a chance of making the final. The competition is pointless anyway. It’s sad that some people are too narrow minded to see that the only that this competition is delivering is the ultimate demise of lower league football altogether. Oh, Wembley....yeah let’s just forget about the boycott this time. I don’t f**king think so! Haha! You have to be joking! You are the narrow minded one for not understanding the other view points on this. I get your view but I will still be going, we need any sort of success or crumbs of money we can get at the minute. All this worry about what might happen in the future, yes it might happen and I understand people's worry about that. But we don't know what we will happen. I just care about what gives us the best chance of survival this year and hopefully drawing in more kids to the Rovers. Like I say, I get your view point, I get both view points but please don't be so rude and patronising to call people narrow minded for their view. The thing that stands out for me when viewing threads relating to this topic is that the vast majority of people are in agreement that U21's should not be present in this competition and generally accept that their continued presence in lower league competition will be to the detriment of our club. Given that context, it's a struggle for some to comprehend why fans are willing to support and get behind this competition.
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Post by darkbluegas on Jan 26, 2019 19:43:00 GMT
The Premier League and FA must be quaking in their boots over this boycott now its really gathering pace. Hopefully the boycotters will get themselves organised this time and someone might at least think they care enough to get out from behind their keyboards and a warm telly to demonstrate. You know a good old fashioned protest, giving out a few leaflets or maybe a picket line. Just something more than bleating online... please. Embarrassing post. Why hand out leaflets when you can present your case to the vast majority online? Strange logic. I'd happily talk to anyone about my strong views on this in person, as I'm sure others would. The action is being taken by not engaging with a competition which most accept will be detrimental to our club in the long term. I don't suppose the two parties will agree on this matter. The demonstration against the competition just seems pretty limp. The boycotters reduced the attendandance to just over 2000 against Port Vale. I think if I was in Harvey's shoes I'd be pointing out that Rovers fans appeared to boycott the League Cup against Crawley (2300) and the FA Cup against Barnet. (2700)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 19:56:26 GMT
Embarrassing post. Why hand out leaflets when you can present your case to the vast majority online? Strange logic. I'd happily talk to anyone about my strong views on this in person, as I'm sure others would. The action is being taken by not engaging with a competition which most accept will be detrimental to our club in the long term. I don't suppose the two parties will agree on this matter. The demonstration against the competition just seems pretty limp. The boycotters reduced the attendandance to just over 2000 against Port Vale. I think if I was in Harvey's shoes I'd be pointing out that Rovers fans appeared to boycott the League Cup against Crawley (2300) and the FA Cup against Barnet. (2700) A very good point!
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Post by kampucheagas on Jan 26, 2019 19:59:20 GMT
This is such a hard one to call
Both sides have equally valid arguments and neither side are right or wrong
It just comes down to personal opinion
I’m 45 and have seen football move ever quickly into a TV focussed global money business
Where it goes who knows? Probably a super league with the top 20 teams in Europe fairly soon?
My personal choice is to support the team, a confidence boost could prove vital. But I won’t support the competition because I dislike the way football is going. It’s a hard choice because my heart says I should always go but my head says it hasn’t been a credible format. This was a unique lower league cup and it no longer represents that.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 26, 2019 20:00:13 GMT
Haha! You have to be joking! You are the narrow minded one for not understanding the other view points on this. I get your view but I will still be going, we need any sort of success or crumbs of money we can get at the minute. All this worry about what might happen in the future, yes it might happen and I understand people's worry about that. But we don't know what we will happen. I just care about what gives us the best chance of survival this year and hopefully drawing in more kids to the Rovers. Like I say, I get your view point, I get both view points but please don't be so rude and patronising to call people narrow minded for their view. The thing that stands out for me when viewing threads relating to this topic is that the vast majority of people are in agreement that U21's should not be present in this competition and generally accept that their continued presence in lower league competition will be to the detriment of our club. Given that context, it's a struggle for some to comprehend why fans are willing to support and get behind this competition. I'm not supporting the competition, I'm supporting my club.
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Post by gasforeverman on Jan 26, 2019 20:03:47 GMT
Boycotting a competion which in all honesty has always been 2nd rate will have no effect on the outcome of the supposed enclusion of prem u23 in the efl. But alot of fans cant seen to grasp that!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:11:57 GMT
The thing that stands out for me when viewing threads relating to this topic is that the vast majority of people are in agreement that U21's should not be present in this competition and generally accept that their continued presence in lower league competition will be to the detriment of our club. Given that context, it's a struggle for some to comprehend why fans are willing to support and get behind this competition. I'm not supporting the competition, I'm supporting my club. You're supporting the competition by attending.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:15:07 GMT
Embarrassing post. Why hand out leaflets when you can present your case to the vast majority online? Strange logic. I'd happily talk to anyone about my strong views on this in person, as I'm sure others would. The action is being taken by not engaging with a competition which most accept will be detrimental to our club in the long term. I don't suppose the two parties will agree on this matter. The demonstration against the competition just seems pretty limp. The boycotters reduced the attendandance to just over 2000 against Port Vale. I think if I was in Harvey's shoes I'd be pointing out that Rovers fans appeared to boycott the League Cup against Crawley (2300) and the FA Cup against Barnet. (2700) And those on the other foot would point to numerous clubs who have recorded their lowest attendance in their history in this competition since the introduction of U21 teams. 2,000 for a Quarter Final with us 180 minutes from Wembley is low by our standards.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:16:05 GMT
Boycotting a competion which in all honesty has always been 2nd rate will have no effect on the outcome of the supposed enclusion of prem u23 in the efl. But alot of fans cant seen to grasp that! That's not the main reason, it's the inclusion of U21 teams in this competition, that's why i'm not attending and i would normally go to the early rounds at home, not just the later rounds if we got there. That's my choice, a decision i made last season and i wont be changing my mind as long as they are included, no matter how far we get.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:18:03 GMT
Boycotting a competion which in all honesty has always been 2nd rate will have no effect on the outcome of the supposed enclusion of prem u23 in the efl. But alot of fans cant seen to grasp that! So you don't believe attendances will be one of the criteria for assessing the success or not of U21's in the revised competition format?
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 26, 2019 20:21:15 GMT
It is what it is and boycotting the games will absolutely not help in making the EFL change their mind. It does deprive the club of income though that could be spent on our squad. We have probably made £150k already in prize money and gate receipts and if we get to the final it could be worth more.
I think if you want to boycott it, then carry on, but don't criticise or lambast those who do want to go to the SF and if we do make it through, to Wembley.
There is nothing better than a big day out at Wembley (except the conference play off final, that was horrid) and ill be going if we get there.
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Post by gasforeverman on Jan 26, 2019 20:26:09 GMT
If a very big IF the elf one day excepted the prem teams into the efl it will not be based on fans boycotting a cup competion whos real value is less than the fa vase....... It has and will always be a 2nd rate cup so boycotting it well is laughable
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:27:58 GMT
It is what it is and boycotting the games will absolutely not help in making the EFL change their mind. It does deprive the club of income though that could be spent on our squad. We have probably made £150k already in prize money and gate receipts and if we get to the final it could be worth more. I think if you want to boycott it, then carry on, but don't criticise or lambast those who do want to go to the SF and if we do make it through, to Wembley. There is nothing better than a big day out at Wembley (except the conference play off final, that was horrid) and ill be going if we get there. Of course attendances will shape the future direction of the competition. This idea that supporters have zero influence on the game and decisions made is simply flawed. This potential 'big day out' at Wembley would be massively tainted and rightly so.
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 26, 2019 20:53:59 GMT
I don't suppose the two parties will agree on this matter. The demonstration against the competition just seems pretty limp. The boycotters reduced the attendandance to just over 2000 against Port Vale. I think if I was in Harvey's shoes I'd be pointing out that Rovers fans appeared to boycott the League Cup against Crawley (2300) and the FA Cup against Barnet. (2700) And those on the other foot would point to numerous clubs who have recorded their lowest attendance in their history in this competition since the introduction of U21 teams. 2,000 for a Quarter Final with us 180 minutes from Wembley is low by our standards. We are not 180 minutes from Wembley so shows how much you actually know about the competition
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:58:50 GMT
And those on the other foot would point to numerous clubs who have recorded their lowest attendance in their history in this competition since the introduction of U21 teams. 2,000 for a Quarter Final with us 180 minutes from Wembley is low by our standards. We are not 180 minutes from Wembley so shows how much you actually know about the competition ?? We were 180 minutes (2 games) away from Wembley before Tuesday's game against Port Vale. Read the post properly before getting excited and posting a nonsense reply.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 26, 2019 20:59:47 GMT
I'm not supporting the competition, I'm supporting my club. You're supporting the competition by attending. Predictable reply. My point was I don't really care about the ins and outs of a cats arse to do with the competition, I support my club and want us to do the best we can both in the league and cup. Supporting us in this, will only help with both of those.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 21:06:51 GMT
You're supporting the competition by attending. Predictable reply. My point was I don't really care about the ins and outs of a cats arse to do with the competition, I support my club and want us to do the best we can both in the league and cup. Supporting us in this, will only help with both of those. Predictable but accurate eh. That's fair enough. What you fail to highlight is the long term implications should U21 teams take a permanent place at the table in the EFL Trophy or the league structure. But if you don't care, that's your call.
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Post by darkbluegas on Jan 26, 2019 21:44:07 GMT
Predictable reply. My point was I don't really care about the ins and outs of a cats arse to do with the competition, I support my club and want us to do the best we can both in the league and cup. Supporting us in this, will only help with both of those. Predictable but accurate eh. That's fair enough. What you fail to highlight is the long term implications should U21 teams take a permanent place at the table in the EFL Trophy or the league structure. But if you don't care, that's your call. Im not sure anyone attending the trophy games thinks its ideal to have u23's in the competition. Hopefully though, it's not escaped your notice our club is going broke. We have owners who have demonstrated they have no money to invest and the club has to be self sustaining. Sadly it isn't. We lose money every year and we borrow against our one asset to support its existence. Its like borrowing against your house to pay the bills without changing your income or expenses. It will only end one way. Without the bonus of a cup run, Wembley appearance or sale of a quality player we're finished. Despite what people may try to make you believe there's no sign of a fairy godfather investor on the horizon. This is it. It's just US and the OWNERS. A Wembley final would potentially earn us enough money to get us through the close season. to allow us to start the season on an even keel. One day the prospect of our league being tampered with may occur. If it does I'll protest and complain if it seems right to. At the moment I will support the club to ensure its there to have those arguments. My biggest fear at the moment is we might not be. Just because we've got out of the deep stuff before is no guarantee we'll manage it again. My philosophy is to fight the battles in front of you before fearing the far off future.
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