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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 4, 2019 10:09:20 GMT
I don't know what the arguments are about on here. Of course the women's game isn't up to the standard of the men's. So what? If that criterion mattered so much, there'd be no-one at the Mem. They'd all be watching Man City or, even worse, at Trashton. I think the standard is pretty good in general. The games are entertaining, and the attitude of the players is like a breath of fresh air compared to the cynical male superstars we have to suffer nowadays. The reason people have an issue with the womens game is that it is not being allowed to develop and stand on its own two feet. BBC constantly harp on about the womens team and game as somehow worth being mentioned in the same sentence as the mens version when they are totally different . Sky BT BBC all sticking women ex players in as pundits when they have absolutely no experience of the games they are talking about boils my water its PC gone mad.I recall Alex Scott at a FA cup match saying "there's no better feeling than lifting the cup" How the f**k would she know ? I'm all for women playing football and any sport but the artificial hyping up is stupid, and costs a fortune as none of the players from the teams funded by the club are going to represent the first team or generate transfer income. Anyone who thinks its great go watch it and support it rather than issue platitudes from the comfort of your sofa. Despite the Banned word BBC majoring on the game the fact is the very top teams in England will be playing in front of less than 2,000 per home game across the next season. Tells you that most women football fans don't care for the product on offer either so a reality check is needed. But interest in the Women's game is high ! At our very own recent trials for our ladies teams we had over 200 girls turn up for the trials they had to turn one back because Baggy did not disguise his adam's apple very well
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Post by Gassy on Jul 4, 2019 10:32:52 GMT
So Alex Scott doesn’t have an opinion being she is a woman? That is essentially what you’re saying. I literally cannot believe what I have just read.
IMO Alex Scott is a damn good pundit who talks a lot of sense. If we only have male pundits on the men’s game we alienate women from the men’s game - where does that leave us? With more divide.
Football needs more equality and that has to start with changing the men’s game. It seems you want only men to talk about the men’s game, if that’s the case why not go further, let’s stop women from attending men’s games.. where do you draw the line?
People need someone to identify to and inspire them, if I was a young girl Alan Shearer & Alan Hansen wouldn’t be identifiable. Alex Scott giving good analysis in a male world, would. And ultimately it will improve all sport for everyone.
But hey, let’s not move forward in improving sexism & equality, because tommylil gets annoyed because he feels it’s too PC to have Alex Scott on a tv show. Because he also believes that despite she has lifted a UEFA trophy, she doesn’t know what it really feels like because she is a woman who played in the women’s game.
I can see how this really effects your life and will make it so much worse for you in your privilege role of being a white male in our society.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 11:54:13 GMT
So Alex Scott doesn’t have an opinion being she is a woman? That is essentially what you’re saying. I literally cannot believe what I have just read. IMO Alex Scott is a damn good pundit who talks a lot of sense. If we only have male pundits on the men’s game we alienate women from the men’s game - where does that leave us? With more divide. Football needs more equality and that has to start with changing the men’s game. It seems you want only men to talk about the men’s game, if that’s the case why not go further, let’s stop women from attending men’s games.. where do you draw the line? People need someone to identify to and inspire them, if I was a young girl Alan Shearer & Alan Hansen wouldn’t be identifiable. Alex Scott giving good analysis in a male world, would. And ultimately it will improve all sport for everyone. But hey, let’s not move forward in improving sexism & equality, because tommylil gets annoyed because he feels it’s too PC to have Alex Scott on a tv show. Because he also believes that despite she has lifted a UEFA trophy, she doesn’t know what it really feels like because she is a woman who played in the women’s game. I can see how this really effects your life and will make it so much worse for you in your privilege role of being a white male in our society. Peoples issue with Alex Scott appearing left, right and centre on all media outlets in the last twelve months is that she's been selected as part of the media's equality drive and their attempts to engineer society. The criteria in selecting expert pundits prior to this was seemingly that you'd played top level mens football which made sense on many levels. If that's no longer the criteria, it should open up the door to a whole host of people who are gifted in analysing the game regardless of whether you've got playing experience at the very top level of it, which is of course the mens game. I'd be very pro seeing a range of people discussing games if they possess the qualities to do so, such as football writers etc. I'm not pro quotas and the media pushing their own agendas. Why does football need more equality exactly? And what would sufficient equality look like to appease you? Token appearances from people of a range of minority protected characteristic groups? The idea that children should be able to identify with a mainstream football pundit is highly questionable too. And where would you draw the line with this? Should the media ensure they have recruited pundits which over a range of minority religious beliefs, sexual preferences and their chosen gender? Your final comment is ridiculous frankly. The same male privilege which ensures he's far more likely to work in low paid manual labour, go to prison and receive a far longer sentence, achieve poorer academic results at school, work longer hours and die younger?
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 4, 2019 12:14:53 GMT
So Alex Scott doesn’t have an opinion being she is a woman? That is essentially what you’re saying. I literally cannot believe what I have just read. IMO Alex Scott is a damn good pundit who talks a lot of sense. If we only have male pundits on the men’s game we alienate women from the men’s game - where does that leave us? With more divide. Football needs more equality and that has to start with changing the men’s game. It seems you want only men to talk about the men’s game, if that’s the case why not go further, let’s stop women from attending men’s games.. where do you draw the line? People need someone to identify to and inspire them, if I was a young girl Alan Shearer & Alan Hansen wouldn’t be identifiable. Alex Scott giving good analysis in a male world, would. And ultimately it will improve all sport for everyone. But hey, let’s not move forward in improving sexism & equality, because tommylil gets annoyed because he feels it’s too PC to have Alex Scott on a tv show. Because he also believes that despite she has lifted a UEFA trophy, she doesn’t know what it really feels like because she is a woman who played in the women’s game. I can see how this really effects your life and will make it so much worse for you in your privilege role of being a white male in our society. Peoples issue with Alex Scott appearing left, right and centre on all media outlets in the last twelve months is that she's been selected as part of the media's equality drive and their attempts to engineer society. The criteria in selecting expert pundits prior to this was seemingly that you'd played top level mens football which made sense on many levels. If that's no longer the criteria, it should open up the door to a whole host of people who are gifted in analysing the game regardless of whether you've got playing experience at the very top level of it, which is of course the mens game. I'd be very pro seeing a range of people discussing games if they possess the qualities to do so, such as football writers etc. I'm not pro quotas and the media pushing their own agendas. Why does football need more equality exactly? And what would sufficient equality look like to appease you? Token appearances from people of a range of minority protected characteristic groups? The idea that children should be able to identify with a mainstream football pundit is highly questionable too. And where would you draw the line with this? Should the media ensure they have recruited pundits which over a range of minority religious beliefs, sexual preferences and their chosen gender? Your final comment is ridiculous frankly. The same male privilege which ensures he's far more likely to work in low paid manual labour, go to prison and receive a far longer sentence, achieve poorer academic results at school, work longer hours and die younger? Alex Scott has 140 England caps, has won everything she can domestically and in Europe with Arsenal, is an Olympian and has a degree in Professional Sports Writing and Broadcasting. While I agree more journalists and writers would add to football analysis, if Scott ever were to pundit on MOTD she'd be the most qualified person on the panel.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 4, 2019 12:26:56 GMT
Peoples issue with Alex Scott appearing left, right and centre on all media outlets in the last twelve months is that she's been selected as part of the media's equality drive and their attempts to engineer society. The criteria in selecting expert pundits prior to this was seemingly that you'd played top level mens football which made sense on many levels. If that's no longer the criteria, it should open up the door to a whole host of people who are gifted in analysing the game regardless of whether you've got playing experience at the very top level of it, which is of course the mens game. I'd be very pro seeing a range of people discussing games if they possess the qualities to do so, such as football writers etc. I'm not pro quotas and the media pushing their own agendas. Why does football need more equality exactly? And what would sufficient equality look like to appease you? Token appearances from people of a range of minority protected characteristic groups? The idea that children should be able to identify with a mainstream football pundit is highly questionable too. And where would you draw the line with this? Should the media ensure they have recruited pundits which over a range of minority religious beliefs, sexual preferences and their chosen gender? Your final comment is ridiculous frankly. The same male privilege which ensures he's far more likely to work in low paid manual labour, go to prison and receive a far longer sentence, achieve poorer academic results at school, work longer hours and die younger? Alex Scott has 140 England caps, has won everything she can domestically and in Europe with Arsenal, is an Olympian and has a degree in Professional Sports Writing and Broadcasting. While I agree more journalists and writers would add to football analysis, if Scott ever were to pundit on MOTD she'd be the most qualified person on the panel. But if she were in the same room as Robbie Savage, the average IQ in the room would still be under 100.
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Post by Gassy on Jul 4, 2019 12:44:14 GMT
So Alex Scott doesn’t have an opinion being she is a woman? That is essentially what you’re saying. I literally cannot believe what I have just read. IMO Alex Scott is a damn good pundit who talks a lot of sense. If we only have male pundits on the men’s game we alienate women from the men’s game - where does that leave us? With more divide. Football needs more equality and that has to start with changing the men’s game. It seems you want only men to talk about the men’s game, if that’s the case why not go further, let’s stop women from attending men’s games.. where do you draw the line? People need someone to identify to and inspire them, if I was a young girl Alan Shearer & Alan Hansen wouldn’t be identifiable. Alex Scott giving good analysis in a male world, would. And ultimately it will improve all sport for everyone. But hey, let’s not move forward in improving sexism & equality, because tommylil gets annoyed because he feels it’s too PC to have Alex Scott on a tv show. Because he also believes that despite she has lifted a UEFA trophy, she doesn’t know what it really feels like because she is a woman who played in the women’s game. I can see how this really effects your life and will make it so much worse for you in your privilege role of being a white male in our society. Peoples issue with Alex Scott appearing left, right and centre on all media outlets in the last twelve months is that she's been selected as part of the media's equality drive and their attempts to engineer society. The criteria in selecting expert pundits prior to this was seemingly that you'd played top level mens football which made sense on many levels. If that's no longer the criteria, it should open up the door to a whole host of people who are gifted in analysing the game regardless of whether you've got playing experience at the very top level of it, which is of course the mens game. I'd be very pro seeing a range of people discussing games if they possess the qualities to do so, such as football writers etc. I'm not pro quotas and the media pushing their own agendas. Why does football need more equality exactly? And what would sufficient equality look like to appease you? Token appearances from people of a range of minority protected characteristic groups? The idea that children should be able to identify with a mainstream football pundit is highly questionable too. And where would you draw the line with this? Should the media ensure they have recruited pundits which over a range of minority religious beliefs, sexual preferences and their chosen gender? Your final comment is ridiculous frankly. The same male privilege which ensures he's far more likely to work in low paid manual labour, go to prison and receive a far longer sentence, achieve poorer academic results at school, work longer hours and die younger? Yeah shame on the media driving equality! How dare they! Society is completely male driven and isn't changing by itself, so good on BBC for putting more women on TV. You do realise the mens game isn't just for men to be presented by men don't you? You also don't have to have played football to be a good pundit, but this seems to be the excuse that Alex Scott didn't play the mens game so she can't comment on it! It's actually unbelievable - as if she can't comment on tactics, style of play because she's a woman?! It's absolutely ridiculous. Football needs more equality so it isn't a male/lad driven culture, which it is. Society gender stereotypes from a very young age, we've all done it. It starts from everything, girls play netball & boys play football. Girls like dolls & boys like action man. Superheros are mostly men & girls should play with dolls & fall in love. I'd like to see in future more female pundits, TV hosts & coaches in the mens game. This needs to stem from the FA though, because I don't believe in positive discrimination completely. However, this is improving. Your entire point about people getting annoyed about Alex Scott being pushed everywhere, did everyone moan when Gary Lineker was the flavour of choice? Regarding your last point, I don't even know what to say to that, I almost can't believe I'm reading it. You think men have it worse than women? Really? Can you please clarify that in writing?
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Post by Gassy on Jul 4, 2019 12:45:15 GMT
Peoples issue with Alex Scott appearing left, right and centre on all media outlets in the last twelve months is that she's been selected as part of the media's equality drive and their attempts to engineer society. The criteria in selecting expert pundits prior to this was seemingly that you'd played top level mens football which made sense on many levels. If that's no longer the criteria, it should open up the door to a whole host of people who are gifted in analysing the game regardless of whether you've got playing experience at the very top level of it, which is of course the mens game. I'd be very pro seeing a range of people discussing games if they possess the qualities to do so, such as football writers etc. I'm not pro quotas and the media pushing their own agendas. Why does football need more equality exactly? And what would sufficient equality look like to appease you? Token appearances from people of a range of minority protected characteristic groups? The idea that children should be able to identify with a mainstream football pundit is highly questionable too. And where would you draw the line with this? Should the media ensure they have recruited pundits which over a range of minority religious beliefs, sexual preferences and their chosen gender? Your final comment is ridiculous frankly. The same male privilege which ensures he's far more likely to work in low paid manual labour, go to prison and receive a far longer sentence, achieve poorer academic results at school, work longer hours and die younger? Alex Scott has 140 England caps, has won everything she can domestically and in Europe with Arsenal, is an Olympian and has a degree in Professional Sports Writing and Broadcasting. While I agree more journalists and writers would add to football analysis, if Scott ever were to pundit on MOTD she'd be the most qualified person on the panel. But wait for the replies, "but she played in the women game so it doesn't count"
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 4, 2019 12:52:22 GMT
Your final comment is ridiculous frankly. The same male privilege which ensures he's far more likely to work in low paid manual labour, go to prison and receive a far longer sentence, achieve poorer academic results at school, work longer hours and die younger? Fwiw, this is a class issue, not a gender issue. All the above is plainly part of maintaining the class divide; none of it was imposed by women, but by the wealthy and upper classes, obviously.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 12:58:05 GMT
Peoples issue with Alex Scott appearing left, right and centre on all media outlets in the last twelve months is that she's been selected as part of the media's equality drive and their attempts to engineer society. The criteria in selecting expert pundits prior to this was seemingly that you'd played top level mens football which made sense on many levels. If that's no longer the criteria, it should open up the door to a whole host of people who are gifted in analysing the game regardless of whether you've got playing experience at the very top level of it, which is of course the mens game. I'd be very pro seeing a range of people discussing games if they possess the qualities to do so, such as football writers etc. I'm not pro quotas and the media pushing their own agendas. Why does football need more equality exactly? And what would sufficient equality look like to appease you? Token appearances from people of a range of minority protected characteristic groups? The idea that children should be able to identify with a mainstream football pundit is highly questionable too. And where would you draw the line with this? Should the media ensure they have recruited pundits which over a range of minority religious beliefs, sexual preferences and their chosen gender? Your final comment is ridiculous frankly. The same male privilege which ensures he's far more likely to work in low paid manual labour, go to prison and receive a far longer sentence, achieve poorer academic results at school, work longer hours and die younger? Alex Scott has 140 England caps, has won everything she can domestically and in Europe with Arsenal, is an Olympian and has a degree in Professional Sports Writing and Broadcasting. While I agree more journalists and writers would add to football analysis, if Scott ever were to pundit on MOTD she'd be the most qualified person on the panel. I'm not doubting her achievements in the womens game CB. She was clearly a fantastic player and to get to the top level of any sport requires massive commitment, determination and obviously ability. In terms of her appearing on MoTD panel, that would all depend on what the essential criteria would be surely? If it's having experience playing on the biggest stage at the highest level, as it seemingly has been previously, then she clearly wouldn't be qualified.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Jul 4, 2019 13:00:56 GMT
It seems the realisation that the likes of Alex Scott, Steph Houghton, Hope Solo, Morgan, Repinhoe etc...know not just MORE about the game than most males, but are BETTER at the game than most males, really is hard to take by some of the chaps on this board. This is such a wonderful yet tragic read all at once, please do continue.
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 4, 2019 13:41:59 GMT
Alex Scott has 140 England caps, has won everything she can domestically and in Europe with Arsenal, is an Olympian and has a degree in Professional Sports Writing and Broadcasting. While I agree more journalists and writers would add to football analysis, if Scott ever were to pundit on MOTD she'd be the most qualified person on the panel. I'm not doubting her achievements in the womens game CB. She was clearly a fantastic player and to get to the top level of any sport requires massive commitment, determination and obviously ability. In terms of her appearing on MoTD panel, that would all depend on what the essential criteria would be surely? If it's having experience playing on the biggest stage at the highest level, as it seemingly has been previously, then she clearly wouldn't be qualified. Match of the Day started in black and white with no analysis at all, it's always changing and I'm pretty sure they don't have "essential criteria" considering half their pundits have been awful. I personally look forward to the water boil when Alex Scott or anyone else joins the panel, knocks it out of the park and a load of men wet themselves over it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 13:54:45 GMT
I'm not doubting her achievements in the womens game CB. She was clearly a fantastic player and to get to the top level of any sport requires massive commitment, determination and obviously ability. In terms of her appearing on MoTD panel, that would all depend on what the essential criteria would be surely? If it's having experience playing on the biggest stage at the highest level, as it seemingly has been previously, then she clearly wouldn't be qualified. Match of the Day started in black and white with no analysis at all, it's always changing and I'm pretty sure they don't have "essential criteria" considering half their pundits have been awful. I personally look forward to the water boil when Alex Scott or anyone else joins the panel, knocks it out of the park and a load of men wet themselves over it. Ha, well I look forward to the day Alex Scott knocks it out the park... The majority of pundits are pretty average at best and nick a living by stating the obvious, AS included.
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Post by aghast on Jul 4, 2019 13:58:03 GMT
It seems the realisation that the likes of Alex Scott, Steph Houghton, Hope Solo, Morgan, Repinhoe etc...know not just MORE about the game than most males, but are BETTER at the game than most males, really is hard to take by some of the chaps on this board. This is such a wonderful yet tragic read all at once, please do continue. I think you may have hit the key point there. Zorg and Xan from the 22nd century will read this thread one day and chuckle at the views the natives expressed.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 4, 2019 14:08:12 GMT
Match of the Day started in black and white with no analysis at all, it's always changing and I'm pretty sure they don't have "essential criteria" considering half their pundits have been awful. I personally look forward to the water boil when Alex Scott or anyone else joins the panel, knocks it out of the park and a load of men wet themselves over it. Ha, well I look forward to the day Alex Scott knocks it out the park... The majority of pundits are pretty average at best and nick a living by stating the obvious, AS included. May be obvious to demigods like yourself but us mortals don't have a Chuffing clue about the game so need the pundits to lead us
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 10:48:16 GMT
Peoples issue with Alex Scott appearing left, right and centre on all media outlets in the last twelve months is that she's been selected as part of the media's equality drive and their attempts to engineer society. The criteria in selecting expert pundits prior to this was seemingly that you'd played top level mens football which made sense on many levels. If that's no longer the criteria, it should open up the door to a whole host of people who are gifted in analysing the game regardless of whether you've got playing experience at the very top level of it, which is of course the mens game. I'd be very pro seeing a range of people discussing games if they possess the qualities to do so, such as football writers etc. I'm not pro quotas and the media pushing their own agendas. Why does football need more equality exactly? And what would sufficient equality look like to appease you? Token appearances from people of a range of minority protected characteristic groups? The idea that children should be able to identify with a mainstream football pundit is highly questionable too. And where would you draw the line with this? Should the media ensure they have recruited pundits which over a range of minority religious beliefs, sexual preferences and their chosen gender? Your final comment is ridiculous frankly. The same male privilege which ensures he's far more likely to work in low paid manual labour, go to prison and receive a far longer sentence, achieve poorer academic results at school, work longer hours and die younger? Yeah shame on the media driving equality! How dare they! Society is completely male driven and isn't changing by itself, so good on BBC for putting more women on TV. You do realise the mens game isn't just for men to be presented by men don't you? You also don't have to have played football to be a good pundit, but this seems to be the excuse that Alex Scott didn't play the mens game so she can't comment on it! It's actually unbelievable - as if she can't comment on tactics, style of play because she's a woman?! It's absolutely ridiculous. Football needs more equality so it isn't a male/lad driven culture, which it is. Society gender stereotypes from a very young age, we've all done it. It starts from everything, girls play netball & boys play football. Girls like dolls & boys like action man. Superheros are mostly men & girls should play with dolls & fall in love. I'd like to see in future more female pundits, TV hosts & coaches in the mens game. This needs to stem from the FA though, because I don't believe in positive discrimination completely. However, this is improving. Your entire point about people getting annoyed about Alex Scott being pushed everywhere, did everyone moan when Gary Lineker was the flavour of choice? Regarding your last point, I don't even know what to say to that, I almost can't believe I'm reading it. You think men have it worse than women? Really? Can you please clarify that in writing? When have I said that men have it worse than women? And what is your struggling to believe about the points? I'm talking fact. If you're a man you're far more likely to work in manual, dangerous roles, spend time in prison and receive longer sentences, underperform in school and higher education, work longer hours, take your own life and pass away younger. That's pretty much indisputable. Would it help if I laid the numbers out? I can only assume your shock lies in the fact it doesn't fit the narrative that men have it great at the expense of women, who have their own major challenges. Football literally divides itself up by sex so it's hardly surprising the male game is dominated by a male culture? Of course stereotypes exist but this trend towards the fixation on social nurture over nature seems pretty flawed to me. Scandinavia is one of the most liberal areas going and they've embraced 'equality' more than most, yet have one of the biggest gender differences in terms of industry. That would suggest the idea that both males and females are born on a blank canvas and are put on different paths by societal expectations is wide of the mark. Alex Scott is hired as an expert pundit, not a presenter, and I'm sure the attention on her would be far less if she was part of a genuine attempt to diversify football punditry rather than tick boxes. I don't wish badly on her though and she's been given a great opportunity which she's clearly worked very hard to get. Regarding my point about pundits pushed everywhere, I can't speak for others but I called out Robbie Savage numerous times when he was wheeled out at every opportunity for some bizarre reason.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 5, 2019 10:52:14 GMT
the idea that both males and females are born on a blank canvas and are put on different paths by societal expectations Has anyone here actually said this is the case?
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Post by Gassy on Jul 5, 2019 11:03:53 GMT
Yeah shame on the media driving equality! How dare they! Society is completely male driven and isn't changing by itself, so good on BBC for putting more women on TV. You do realise the mens game isn't just for men to be presented by men don't you? You also don't have to have played football to be a good pundit, but this seems to be the excuse that Alex Scott didn't play the mens game so she can't comment on it! It's actually unbelievable - as if she can't comment on tactics, style of play because she's a woman?! It's absolutely ridiculous. Football needs more equality so it isn't a male/lad driven culture, which it is. Society gender stereotypes from a very young age, we've all done it. It starts from everything, girls play netball & boys play football. Girls like dolls & boys like action man. Superheros are mostly men & girls should play with dolls & fall in love. I'd like to see in future more female pundits, TV hosts & coaches in the mens game. This needs to stem from the FA though, because I don't believe in positive discrimination completely. However, this is improving. Your entire point about people getting annoyed about Alex Scott being pushed everywhere, did everyone moan when Gary Lineker was the flavour of choice? Regarding your last point, I don't even know what to say to that, I almost can't believe I'm reading it. You think men have it worse than women? Really? Can you please clarify that in writing? When have I said that men have it worse than women? And what is your struggling to believe about the points? I'm talking fact. If you're a man you're far more likely to work in manual, dangerous roles, spend time in prison and receive longer sentences, underperform in school and higher education, work longer hours, take your own life and pass away younger. That's pretty much indisputable. Would it help if I laid the numbers out? I can only assume your shock lies in the fact it doesn't fit the narrative that men have it great at the expense of women, who have their own major challenges. Football literally divides itself up by sex so it's hardly surprising the male game is dominated by a male culture? Of course stereotypes exist but this trend towards the fixation on social nurture over nature seems pretty flawed to me. Scandinavia is one of the most liberal areas going and they've embraced 'equality' more than most, yet have one of the biggest gender differences in terms of industry. That would suggest the idea that both males and females are born on a blank canvas and are put on different paths by societal expectations is wide of the mark. Alex Scott is hired as an expert pundit, not a presenter, and I'm sure the attention on her would be far less if she was part of a genuine attempt to diversify football punditry rather than tick boxes. I don't wish badly on her though and she's been given a great opportunity which she's clearly worked very hard to get. Regarding my point about pundits pushed everywhere, I can't speak for others but I called out Robbie Savage numerous times when he was wheeled out at every opportunity for some bizarre reason. But you're talking irrelevant fact. You're talking about points that have nothing to do with football. As AF already point out, you're talking about social/class structure, rather than gender. More likely to spend time in prison? Because they do the crime? It's hardly surprising, but needs to improve - or do you think it's perfect the way it is? How do you know Alex Scott is being used to tick boxes rather than her punditry? People like yourselves are making the connections and then complaining she's being used for that reason. I enjoy her punditry, so I like seeing her on the TV. The fact that she's a woman makes it even better. Unfortunately people, such as yourself, then complain they're putting her everywhere because she's a woman, yet the clearly did the the same with Savage. What tick boxes did he tick? Or was it just because he was flavour of the month? You may have said anything about Savage, but I would hazard a guess that most wouldn't. I bet the same people are also getting annoyed about Scott being everywhere. Yet as I mentioned, people then make up an excuse that she is there to tick a box and then they blame BBC for trying to tick boxes. It's quite laughable actually. And the fact is that guess what, it's a woman that they're moaning about.
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Post by tomylil on Jul 5, 2019 11:06:41 GMT
Peoples issue with Alex Scott appearing left, right and centre on all media outlets in the last twelve months is that she's been selected as part of the media's equality drive and their attempts to engineer society. The criteria in selecting expert pundits prior to this was seemingly that you'd played top level mens football which made sense on many levels. If that's no longer the criteria, it should open up the door to a whole host of people who are gifted in analysing the game regardless of whether you've got playing experience at the very top level of it, which is of course the mens game. I'd be very pro seeing a range of people discussing games if they possess the qualities to do so, such as football writers etc. I'm not pro quotas and the media pushing their own agendas. Why does football need more equality exactly? And what would sufficient equality look like to appease you? Token appearances from people of a range of minority protected characteristic groups? The idea that children should be able to identify with a mainstream football pundit is highly questionable too. And where would you draw the line with this? Should the media ensure they have recruited pundits which over a range of minority religious beliefs, sexual preferences and their chosen gender? Your final comment is ridiculous frankly. The same male privilege which ensures he's far more likely to work in low paid manual labour, go to prison and receive a far longer sentence, achieve poorer academic results at school, work longer hours and die younger? Alex Scott has 140 England caps, has won everything she can domestically and in Europe with Arsenal, is an Olympian and has a degree in Professional Sports Writing and Broadcasting. While I agree more journalists and writers would add to football analysis, if Scott ever were to pundit on MOTD she'd be the most qualified person on the panel. What does her achievements in the womens game or academia have to do with her credibility as a pundit on a mens football match ? Everyone I know expects whoever is offering an insight into a game to have experienced a similar situation which s probably why an excellent pundit like Liam Rosenior won't ever get near a CL match. I didn't watch any of the WC coverage, but were there any/many male pundits? If so they had no business being there.
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Post by completewingback on Jul 5, 2019 11:11:59 GMT
Who would've guessed that a thread about the Women's World Cup would eventually develop into sexism and allegations of "artificial hype" despire the sheer amount of organic interest... right?
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 5, 2019 11:11:59 GMT
Alex Scott has 140 England caps, has won everything she can domestically and in Europe with Arsenal, is an Olympian and has a degree in Professional Sports Writing and Broadcasting. While I agree more journalists and writers would add to football analysis, if Scott ever were to pundit on MOTD she'd be the most qualified person on the panel. What does her achievements in the womens game or academia have to do with her credibility as a pundit on a mens football match ? Everyone I know expects whoever is offering an insight into a game to have experienced a similar situation which s probably why an excellent pundit like Liam Rosenior won't ever get near a CL match. I didn't watch any of the WC coverage, but were there any/many male pundits? If so they had no business being there. Yes there were. It's quite funny how many people disagree with women having an opinion on the men's game while having an opinion themselves on the women's game don't you think?
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