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Post by tommym9 on Jul 5, 2019 11:13:03 GMT
Alex Scott has 140 England caps, has won everything she can domestically and in Europe with Arsenal, is an Olympian and has a degree in Professional Sports Writing and Broadcasting. While I agree more journalists and writers would add to football analysis, if Scott ever were to pundit on MOTD she'd be the most qualified person on the panel. What does her achievements in the womens game or academia have to do with her credibility as a pundit on a mens football match ? Everyone I know expects whoever is offering an insight into a game to have experienced a similar situation which s probably why an excellent pundit like Liam Rosenior won't ever get near a CL match. I didn't watch any of the WC coverage, but were there any/many male pundits? If so they had no business being there. If she's unqualified because she's played women's football and not mens, could you explain to me the differences in rules/formations/tactics between the men's and women's games? I don't really understand why she's unqualified as the game is exactly the same. For what it's worth I think she's better than most male pundits.
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Post by tomylil on Jul 5, 2019 11:13:04 GMT
Alex Scott has 140 England caps, has won everything she can domestically and in Europe with Arsenal, is an Olympian and has a degree in Professional Sports Writing and Broadcasting. While I agree more journalists and writers would add to football analysis, if Scott ever were to pundit on MOTD she'd be the most qualified person on the panel. But wait for the replies, "but she played in the women game so it doesn't count" It really doesn't count any more than a male player who performed with distinction in the national league for many years playing in front of bigger crowds than your mate and who was a stand out player for the England C side. Not qualified, and I very much doubt you would be getting your cacks in a twist defending such a woeful appointment if they somehow found themselves in such a position. Don't take to zealots and you are 100% one of those.
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Post by tomylil on Jul 5, 2019 11:16:46 GMT
What does her achievements in the womens game or academia have to do with her credibility as a pundit on a mens football match ? Everyone I know expects whoever is offering an insight into a game to have experienced a similar situation which s probably why an excellent pundit like Liam Rosenior won't ever get near a CL match. I didn't watch any of the WC coverage, but were there any/many male pundits? If so they had no business being there. If she's unqualified because she's played women's football and not mens, could you explain to me the differences in rules/formations/tactics between the men's and women's games? I don't really understand why she's unqualified as the game is exactly the same. For what it's worth I think she's better than most male pundits. Exactly the same game as played in the Toolstation and I don't expect to see an ex Bitton player appearing on the box anytime soon. She has absolutely no experience of the games she is expressing an opinion upon.
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Post by tommym9 on Jul 5, 2019 11:28:50 GMT
If she's unqualified because she's played women's football and not mens, could you explain to me the differences in rules/formations/tactics between the men's and women's games? I don't really understand why she's unqualified as the game is exactly the same. For what it's worth I think she's better than most male pundits. Exactly the same game as played in the Toolstation and I don't expect to see an ex Bitton player appearing on the box anytime soon. She has absolutely no experience of the games she is expressing an opinion upon. Your definition of 'experience' is solely in the men's game. Given that who would you say is most experienced to give their opinion on the game, Alex Scott or Adam Virgo?
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 5, 2019 11:36:39 GMT
If she's unqualified because she's played women's football and not mens, could you explain to me the differences in rules/formations/tactics between the men's and women's games? I don't really understand why she's unqualified as the game is exactly the same. For what it's worth I think she's better than most male pundits. Exactly the same game as played in the Toolstation and I don't expect to see an ex Bitton player appearing on the box anytime soon. She has absolutely no experience of the games she is expressing an opinion upon. Probably best to not post on here mush, you have no experience of the games you're expressing an opinion upon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 12:32:22 GMT
So Alex Scott doesn’t have an opinion being she is a woman? That is essentially what you’re saying. I literally cannot believe what I have just read. IMO Alex Scott is a damn good pundit who talks a lot of sense. If we only have male pundits on the men’s game we alienate women from the men’s game - where does that leave us? With more divide. Football needs more equality and that has to start with changing the men’s game. It seems you want only men to talk about the men’s game, if that’s the case why not go further, let’s stop women from attending men’s games.. where do you draw the line? People need someone to identify to and inspire them, if I was a young girl Alan Shearer & Alan Hansen wouldn’t be identifiable. Alex Scott giving good analysis in a male world, would. And ultimately it will improve all sport for everyone. But hey, let’s not move forward in improving sexism & equality, because tommylil gets annoyed because he feels it’s too PC to have Alex Scott on a tv show. Because he also believes that despite she has lifted a UEFA trophy, she doesn’t know what it really feels like because she is a woman who played in the women’s game. I can see how this really effects your life and will make it so much worse for you in your privilege role of being a white male in our society. On a tangent I love reading stuff like this because it makes me realise what a total idiot I must be because all my white male privilege has got me is working class status whilst I date high achieving women who work on the board of directors at their company and drive cars I can only dream of affording. So either I'm bloody useless at exercising my privilege or we live in a world where being white and male is no longer the advantage it once was. Hmm....
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 5, 2019 15:16:15 GMT
So Alex Scott doesn’t have an opinion being she is a woman? That is essentially what you’re saying. I literally cannot believe what I have just read. IMO Alex Scott is a damn good pundit who talks a lot of sense. If we only have male pundits on the men’s game we alienate women from the men’s game - where does that leave us? With more divide. Football needs more equality and that has to start with changing the men’s game. It seems you want only men to talk about the men’s game, if that’s the case why not go further, let’s stop women from attending men’s games.. where do you draw the line? People need someone to identify to and inspire them, if I was a young girl Alan Shearer & Alan Hansen wouldn’t be identifiable. Alex Scott giving good analysis in a male world, would. And ultimately it will improve all sport for everyone. But hey, let’s not move forward in improving sexism & equality, because tommylil gets annoyed because he feels it’s too PC to have Alex Scott on a tv show. Because he also believes that despite she has lifted a UEFA trophy, she doesn’t know what it really feels like because she is a woman who played in the women’s game. I can see how this really effects your life and will make it so much worse for you in your privilege role of being a white male in our society. On a tangent I love reading stuff like this because it makes me realise what a total idiot I must be because all my white male privilege has got me is working class status whilst I date high achieving women who work on the board of directors at their company and drive cars I can only dream of affording. So either I'm bloody useless at exercising my privilege or we live in a world where being white and male is no longer the advantage it once was. Hmm.... It's coz you're a golddigging bimbo. Seriously, though, I don't think being white male, etc, is the advantage it used to be, but it's still got advantages. In any case, this sort of thing should go hand in hand with class, too. A working class woman is gonna be worse off generally than a middle class one, and the same for men, of course. But the closer a society gets to a level playing field for the genders, doesn't mean the same thing is happening for class. We've all listened to some old upper class lady tell about the time she had to bravely fight to be admitted to the all-male golf club in the thirties, or whatever, but my grandfather, then would have been digging her potatoes for a pittance and poaching her rabbits (not a euphemism), doesn't mean he wasn't better off than my grandmother, though.
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Post by spiess1 on Jul 5, 2019 15:22:49 GMT
Eggs are better poached than rabbits.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 16:09:14 GMT
On a tangent I love reading stuff like this because it makes me realise what a total idiot I must be because all my white male privilege has got me is working class status whilst I date high achieving women who work on the board of directors at their company and drive cars I can only dream of affording. So either I'm bloody useless at exercising my privilege or we live in a world where being white and male is no longer the advantage it once was. Hmm.... It's coz you're a golddigging bimbo.Seriously, though, I don't think being white male, etc, is the advantage it used to be, but it's still got advantages. In any case, this sort of thing should go hand in hand with class, too. A working class woman is gonna be worse off generally than a middle class one, and the same for men, of course. But the closer a society gets to a level playing field for the genders, doesn't mean the same thing is happening for class. We've all listened to some old upper class lady tell about the time she had to bravely fight to be admitted to the all-male golf club in the thirties, or whatever, but my grandfather, then would have been digging her potatoes for a pittance and poaching her rabbits (not a euphemism), doesn't mean he wasn't better off than my grandmother, though. Haha! Yeah I didn't last long once they figured out I was potless I don't want to turn this into a political thread so I will bow out at this point just by saying I wholeheartedly agree, it's an excellent post. For me, the whole sexism/male privilege thing wateres me off because it's a very useful tool and people who parrot it are useful foot soldiers for the cause of keeping men and women at each other's throats when the real enemy is the class system. The UN even went so far as to highlight the disgraceful lack of social mobility and inequality in the UK yet still the prevailing narrative is not "how can we help working class women AND men improve their lot and get them out of food banks" but rather: "how can we help women get one over on those mean old white men who have all the privilege". Money === privilege. That's it. The colour of your skin is miles behind and women these days are just as capable if not more so of using money to exert privilege over poor/working class white men. At this point I shall leave you all to your regularly scheduled programming
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 6, 2019 9:53:16 GMT
Anybody watching the Game today ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 10:13:28 GMT
Anybody watching the Game today ? Nope. Third place games are a waste of time. I didn't watch the Men's third place game either.
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Post by tomylil on Jul 6, 2019 10:16:11 GMT
Exactly the same game as played in the Toolstation and I don't expect to see an ex Bitton player appearing on the box anytime soon. She has absolutely no experience of the games she is expressing an opinion upon. Probably best to not post on here mush, you have no experience of the games you're expressing an opinion upon. Best shut the forum down then chewbosun because I doubt anyone on here has experience of Premier League or Champions league matches.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 11:04:41 GMT
When have I said that men have it worse than women? And what is your struggling to believe about the points? I'm talking fact. If you're a man you're far more likely to work in manual, dangerous roles, spend time in prison and receive longer sentences, underperform in school and higher education, work longer hours, take your own life and pass away younger. That's pretty much indisputable. Would it help if I laid the numbers out? I can only assume your shock lies in the fact it doesn't fit the narrative that men have it great at the expense of women, who have their own major challenges. Football literally divides itself up by sex so it's hardly surprising the male game is dominated by a male culture? Of course stereotypes exist but this trend towards the fixation on social nurture over nature seems pretty flawed to me. Scandinavia is one of the most liberal areas going and they've embraced 'equality' more than most, yet have one of the biggest gender differences in terms of industry. That would suggest the idea that both males and females are born on a blank canvas and are put on different paths by societal expectations is wide of the mark. Alex Scott is hired as an expert pundit, not a presenter, and I'm sure the attention on her would be far less if she was part of a genuine attempt to diversify football punditry rather than tick boxes. I don't wish badly on her though and she's been given a great opportunity which she's clearly worked very hard to get. Regarding my point about pundits pushed everywhere, I can't speak for others but I called out Robbie Savage numerous times when he was wheeled out at every opportunity for some bizarre reason. But you're talking irrelevant fact. You're talking about points that have nothing to do with football. As AF already point out, you're talking about social/class structure, rather than gender. More likely to spend time in prison? Because they do the crime? It's hardly surprising, but needs to improve - or do you think it's perfect the way it is? How do you know Alex Scott is being used to tick boxes rather than her punditry? People like yourselves are making the connections and then complaining she's being used for that reason. I enjoy her punditry, so I like seeing her on the TV. The fact that she's a woman makes it even better. Unfortunately people, such as yourself, then complain they're putting her everywhere because she's a woman, yet the clearly did the the same with Savage. What tick boxes did he tick? Or was it just because he was flavour of the month? You may have said anything about Savage, but I would hazard a guess that most wouldn't. I bet the same people are also getting annoyed about Scott being everywhere. Yet as I mentioned, people then make up an excuse that she is there to tick a box and then they blame BBC for trying to tick boxes. It's quite laughable actually. And the fact is that guess what, it's a woman that they're moaning about. No, it's a response and directly relevant to your comment regarding white male privilege which is ignorant to the facts presented. And whilst class is of course relevant we're talking at a header level of sex/gender, which all points still relate to. It's not perfect by any means but I personally don't see a massive problem with the culture in the game nor any need to change the dynamic to appease those have issues with white men. What box did Savage tick? The one which pretty much all mainstream football expert pundits ticked which is they had first hand experience playing in the highest levels of the mens game. One look at the list of football pundits used in mainstream media make it patently obvious that Alex Scott is in the role as a result of the BBC/Sky's equality agenda. She's talented, articiulate and has considerable experience to bring to the table as has many men who didn't play on the biggest stage who wouldn't get the opportunity. I'm conscious that there's a couple of games coming up to conclude the WWC so won't post further. I don't agree with your viewpoint but equally accept it comes from a good place.
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 6, 2019 11:08:17 GMT
Probably best to not post on here mush, you have no experience of the games you're expressing an opinion upon. Best shut the forum down then chewbosun because I doubt anyone on here has experience of Premier League or Champions league matches. You’re of the opinion folk without experience of a certain standard of football shouldn’t have an opinion on it. Flagrant hypocrisy posting on a League One clubs forum unless you’ve played in League One?
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Post by Gasshole on Jul 6, 2019 12:43:54 GMT
It’s not a great standard chaps , probably Scottish premier at best.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 21:13:58 GMT
Probably best to not post on here mush, you have no experience of the games you're expressing an opinion upon. Best shut the forum down then chewbosun because I doubt anyone on here has experience of Premier League or Champions league matches. Chewie is spot on though.
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Post by tomylil on Jul 7, 2019 0:57:57 GMT
Best shut the forum down then chewbosun because I doubt anyone on here has experience of Premier League or Champions league matches. You’re of the opinion folk without experience of a certain standard of football shouldn’t have an opinion on it. Flagrant hypocrisy posting on a League One clubs forum unless you’ve played in League One? Dam idiot you know what I said you just dont have an answer.
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Post by tomylil on Jul 7, 2019 0:59:14 GMT
Best shut the forum down then chewbosun because I doubt anyone on here has experience of Premier League or Champions league matches. Chewie is spot on though. Bollocks lets sign some of these superstars then.
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Post by gaelgas on Jul 7, 2019 1:39:15 GMT
I think the point may be that we're just chatting on the free forum of a bottom half of tier three club not getting paid as experts to broadcast to the nation. Pundits are not paid to just give an opinion they are paid to analyse, critique and offer their experience of playing in these kinds of situations at the very highest level to millions of paying customers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 7:33:26 GMT
You’re of the opinion folk without experience of a certain standard of football shouldn’t have an opinion on it. Flagrant hypocrisy posting on a League One clubs forum unless you’ve played in League One? f**king idiot you know what I said you just dont have an answer. Came on here to see if there were any comments on England's game yesterday and first thing I see is this! Thought the rule was attack the post not the poster, very sad when some resort to this. Anyway for what it is worth I thought the England woman's world cup exactly mirrored the men's. A reasonable team found out as soon as it came up against decent teams.
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