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Post by Gassy on Oct 4, 2019 7:39:50 GMT
IT says the set salary is between 50 & 75k which I think is quite modest for a striker. Yeah I agree. If it is for Bolton that is anyway. Even if it's 75k, that's 1.5k per week - hardly huge for L1 football. I'd hazard a guess that most of our squad is earning that. JCH probably earns double or triple that (or might if he signs a new deal with us)
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 4, 2019 7:47:32 GMT
Is this a genuine advert of somebody taking the p with a fake advert?
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Post by lympstonegas on Oct 4, 2019 8:55:00 GMT
IT says the set salary is between 50 & 75k which I think is quite modest for a striker. As you point out oldgas, this is the yearly salary! Lympstone appears to have misread it. Sorry I apologise I did misread it as weekly wage
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 10:36:35 GMT
As you point out oldgas, this is the yearly salary! Lympstone appears to have misread it. Sorry I apologise I did misread it as weekly wage No apology required Lympstone, easy mistake to make.Far, far worse said on here and no apologies ever forthcoming.
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Post by shaker on Oct 6, 2019 11:01:35 GMT
Hi all, Bury fan here, I thought I would take a look and see what was being said about you missing a game yesterday because of our expulsion. It's interesting to read views from other clubs fans and most seem to be the same , some think we deserved it and some feel sorry for us. I have watched Bury home and away for 50 years and at the moment Saturdays are just not the same, I have been to some local non league games and yesterday I went to Accrington but it's not the same when you don't care who wins. We all know that Bury have been reckless in the wages paid to players over the last 6 years but lots of fans tried to raise concerns about the spending and the loans that were taken out. David Conn from the Guardian published several stories about our dodgy finances. My point is that this could happen to any club if you they end up with owners like ours, I feel that the EFL should have rules regarding budgets and wages and they should be checked before every season, you all knew we couldn't afford it and we all knew it , so why didn't they investigate sooner. If they don't put a system in place then this will happen again and again. I was at the ground when our last minute buyers were announced by the Sky TV crews late on the Friday night and I was there again on the following Tuesday when it was announced they had pulled at 4 pm with a 5 pm deadline in place. I am not ashamed to say I had tears in my eyes and I can't describe the feeling at 11pm that night when the EFL announced we had been expelled. There is still a bidder who wants to buy the club and hopefully that will happen because at least all the businesses we owe money to will get something. We are due to be wound up on the 16th October, who knows what Steve Dale has got planned. I hope that someone will buy the ground and we can get into the Conference North for next season, they are expanding that division by 2 teams next season. The point of my ramble is that we have been in existence for 134 years and we have been destroyed by 2 owners in charge for just 6 years, it could be you or any other team unless the EFL act, it's the fans that are punished, the owners don't even care. Hope to see you again in the future , been to Bristol many times but it's not been a good place for us in terms of results.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 6, 2019 11:11:26 GMT
Hi all, Bury fan here, I thought I would take a look and see what was being said about you missing a game yesterday because of our expulsion. It's interesting to read views from other clubs fans and most seem to be the same , some think we deserved it and some feel sorry for us. I have watched Bury home and away for 50 years and at the moment Saturdays are just not the same, I have been to some local non league games and yesterday I went to Accrington but it's not the same when you don't care who wins. We all know that Bury have been reckless in the wages paid to players over the last 6 years but lots of fans tried to raise concerns about the spending and the loans that were taken out. David Conn from the Guardian published several stories about our dodgy finances. My point is that this could happen to any club if you they end up with owners like ours, I feel that the EFL should have rules regarding budgets and wages and they should be checked before every season, you all knew we couldn't afford it and we all knew it , so why didn't they investigate sooner. If they don't put a system in place then this will happen again and again. I was at the ground when our last minute buyers were announced by the Sky TV crews late on the Friday night and I was there again on the following Tuesday when it was announced they had pulled at 4 pm with a 5 pm deadline in place. I am not ashamed to say I had tears in my eyes and I can't describe the feeling at 11pm that night when the EFL announced we had been expelled. There is still a bidder who wants to buy the club and hopefully that will happen because at least all the businesses we owe money to will get something. We are due to be wound up on the 16th October, who knows what Steve Dale has got planned. I hope that someone will buy the ground and we can get into the Conference North for next season, they are expanding that division by 2 teams next season. The point of my ramble is that we have been in existence for 134 years and we have been destroyed by 2 owners in charge for just 6 years, it could be you or any other team unless the EFL act, it's the fans that are punished, the owners don't even care. Hope to see you again in the future , been to Bristol many times but it's not been a good place for us in terms of results. I think sometimes when you talk about other clubs and you're talking about the management, or ownership, it's easy to forget about the man on the terrace. I think Gasheads are well aware that 'but for the grace of god' we could be in a similar position. I recall reading your forum two or three years ago, and lots of fans being very concerned, even back then (under Lee Clark) about what was going on. Anyway, I'm sure we will see you back in the league one day.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 11:14:39 GMT
Hi all, Bury fan here, I thought I would take a look and see what was being said about you missing a game yesterday because of our expulsion. It's interesting to read views from other clubs fans and most seem to be the same , some think we deserved it and some feel sorry for us. I have watched Bury home and away for 50 years and at the moment Saturdays are just not the same, I have been to some local non league games and yesterday I went to Accrington but it's not the same when you don't care who wins. We all know that Bury have been reckless in the wages paid to players over the last 6 years but lots of fans tried to raise concerns about the spending and the loans that were taken out. David Conn from the Guardian published several stories about our dodgy finances. My point is that this could happen to any club if you they end up with owners like ours, I feel that the EFL should have rules regarding budgets and wages and they should be checked before every season, you all knew we couldn't afford it and we all knew it , so why didn't they investigate sooner. If they don't put a system in place then this will happen again and again. I was at the ground when our last minute buyers were announced by the Sky TV crews late on the Friday night and I was there again on the following Tuesday when it was announced they had pulled at 4 pm with a 5 pm deadline in place. I am not ashamed to say I had tears in my eyes and I can't describe the feeling at 11pm that night when the EFL announced we had been expelled. There is still a bidder who wants to buy the club and hopefully that will happen because at least all the businesses we owe money to will get something. We are due to be wound up on the 16th October, who knows what Steve Dale has got planned. I hope that someone will buy the ground and we can get into the Conference North for next season, they are expanding that division by 2 teams next season. The point of my ramble is that we have been in existence for 134 years and we have been destroyed by 2 owners in charge for just 6 years, it could be you or any other team unless the EFL act, it's the fans that are punished, the owners don't even care. Hope to see you again in the future , been to Bristol many times but it's not been a good place for us in terms of results. imo you should start from the bottom again! Completely unfair to take anyone’s place!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 6, 2019 11:16:43 GMT
Hi all, Bury fan here, I thought I would take a look and see what was being said about you missing a game yesterday because of our expulsion. It's interesting to read views from other clubs fans and most seem to be the same , some think we deserved it and some feel sorry for us. I have watched Bury home and away for 50 years and at the moment Saturdays are just not the same, I have been to some local non league games and yesterday I went to Accrington but it's not the same when you don't care who wins. We all know that Bury have been reckless in the wages paid to players over the last 6 years but lots of fans tried to raise concerns about the spending and the loans that were taken out. David Conn from the Guardian published several stories about our dodgy finances. My point is that this could happen to any club if you they end up with owners like ours, I feel that the EFL should have rules regarding budgets and wages and they should be checked before every season, you all knew we couldn't afford it and we all knew it , so why didn't they investigate sooner. If they don't put a system in place then this will happen again and again. I was at the ground when our last minute buyers were announced by the Sky TV crews late on the Friday night and I was there again on the following Tuesday when it was announced they had pulled at 4 pm with a 5 pm deadline in place. I am not ashamed to say I had tears in my eyes and I can't describe the feeling at 11pm that night when the EFL announced we had been expelled. There is still a bidder who wants to buy the club and hopefully that will happen because at least all the businesses we owe money to will get something. We are due to be wound up on the 16th October, who knows what Steve Dale has got planned. I hope that someone will buy the ground and we can get into the Conference North for next season, they are expanding that division by 2 teams next season. The point of my ramble is that we have been in existence for 134 years and we have been destroyed by 2 owners in charge for just 6 years, it could be you or any other team unless the EFL act, it's the fans that are punished, the owners don't even care. Hope to see you again in the future , been to Bristol many times but it's not been a good place for us in terms of results. imo you should start from the bottom again! Completely unfair to take anyone’s place! But Bury have left a gap, so they'll (effectively) be taking their own place.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 11:23:09 GMT
imo you should start from the bottom again! Completely unfair to take anyone’s place! But Bury have left a gap, so they'll (effectively) be taking their own place. Na imo all other teams should move up and then they start at the bottom again!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 6, 2019 11:26:28 GMT
But Bury have left a gap, so they'll (effectively) be taking their own place. Na imo all other teams should move up and then they start at the bottom again! Why? No one currently at the club has anything to do with what went on. No one currently at the club has benefited from it. Everyone currently at the club and who will be there going forward has already sufferered. Who are you trying to punish, and why?
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Post by pudseygas on Oct 6, 2019 11:53:33 GMT
Na imo all other teams should move up and then they start at the bottom again! Why? No one currently at the club has anything to do with what went on. No one currently at the club has benefited from it. Everyone currently at the club and who will be there going forward has already sufferered. Who are you trying to punish, and why? You're punishing the teams below who run their club properly and live within their means. They should start at the bottom and work their way up as a sustainable club
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 6, 2019 11:56:29 GMT
Why? No one currently at the club has anything to do with what went on. No one currently at the club has benefited from it. Everyone currently at the club and who will be there going forward has already sufferered. Who are you trying to punish, and why? You're punishing the teams below who run their club properly and live within their means. They should start at the bottom and work their way up as a sustainable club Which clubs below, if they restart in the Conf North?
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Post by axegas on Oct 6, 2019 13:08:40 GMT
Na imo all other teams should move up and then they start at the bottom again! Why? No one currently at the club has anything to do with what went on. No one currently at the club has benefited from it. Everyone currently at the club and who will be there going forward has already sufferered. Who are you trying to punish, and why? They aren’t trying to punish anyone currently at the club in particular, it isn’t the fans or the back room staffs fault. They are trying to make an example of Bury to warn other owners that if you spend unsustainably to the point that the club haemorrhages money, you are effectively condemning the club to demotion when the sh** hits the fan, as there will be no easy way out. No-one wants this sort of situation to happen again and to affect fans of other clubs so it’s imperative that the EFL rewards clubs that are run well and punishes clubs that aren’t in the interest of fairness.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 6, 2019 13:11:40 GMT
Why? No one currently at the club has anything to do with what went on. No one currently at the club has benefited from it. Everyone currently at the club and who will be there going forward has already sufferered. Who are you trying to punish, and why? They aren’t trying to punish anyone currently at the club in particular, it isn’t the fans or the back room staffs fault. They are trying to make an example of Bury to warn other owners that if you spend unsustainably to the point that the club haemorrhages money, you are effectively condemning the club to demotion when the sh** hits the fan, as there will be no easy way out. No-one wants this sort of situation to happen again and to affect fans of other clubs so it’s imperative that the EFL rewards clubs that are run well and punishes clubs that aren’t in the interest of fairness. But Bury's old owners don't give a f**k where Bury are. Bury were next to worthless, so the old owners didn't end up making any money (or as much money). That was the example. Now they're gone, and the club wants to be reborn, who would they be punishing or making an example of? In what way would coming back in the tenth tier deter this from happening again, that wouldn't apply if they came back in the sixth tier? Why (therefore) do they want to encourage what went on at Bolton?
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Post by axegas on Oct 6, 2019 13:18:30 GMT
They aren’t trying to punish anyone currently at the club in particular, it isn’t the fans or the back room staffs fault. They are trying to make an example of Bury to warn other owners that if you spend unsustainably to the point that the club haemorrhages money, you are effectively condemning the club to demotion when the sh** hits the fan, as there will be no easy way out. No-one wants this sort of situation to happen again and to affect fans of other clubs so it’s imperative that the EFL rewards clubs that are run well and punishes clubs that aren’t in the interest of fairness. But Bury's old owners don't give a f**k where Bury are. Bury were next to worthless, so they got rid of the old owners who didn't end up making any money (or as much money). That was the example. Now they're gone, and the club wants to be reborn, who would they be punishing or making an example of? In what way would coming back in the tenth tier deter this from happening again, that wouldn't apply if they came back in the sixth tier? Ok, so Bury’s owners won’t really be affected by it, you are right. But other owners in the football league might actually care about the football clubs under their ownership and this is who you are trying to get the message across to, that if they rack up so much debt in the pursuit of promotion, their investment will be made worthless and their town without a team. There are a fair few clubs in the championship that need to take heed of this. Like I said, more about discouraging others rather than punishing Bury further.
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Post by shaker on Oct 6, 2019 13:32:59 GMT
It's worth mentioning that this sorry episode has resulted in a much stronger community feeling towards the club and we all want the club to run on an even keel and within our means. When Stuart Day, the previous owner, took over, the club owed nothing on the ground and he immediately borrowed 1.7 million from a dubious finance company , of that 1.7 million 40% went to a third party as an introductory fee, allegedly to the owner and his side kick who is also the brother in law of the guy who owns the peer to peer lending company that we now owe 3.4 million to. Glen Thomas the sidekick introduced Steve Dale to the club and he specialises in liquidating companies. You can see how murky the waters are and it is all allegations but the fraud office are investigating. Anyway, good luck for the season and I am looking forward to hopefully visiting a few new non league grounds next season.
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 6, 2019 14:10:15 GMT
It's worth mentioning that this sorry episode has resulted in a much stronger community feeling towards the club and we all want the club to run on an even keel and within our means. When Stuart Day, the previous owner, took over, the club owed nothing on the ground and he immediately borrowed 1.7 million from a dubious finance company , of that 1.7 million 40% went to a third party as an introductory fee, allegedly to the owner and his side kick who is also the brother in law of the guy who owns the peer to peer lending company that we now owe 3.4 million to. Glen Thomas the sidekick introduced Steve Dale to the club and he specialises in liquidating companies. You can see how murky the waters are and it is all allegations but the fraud office are investigating. Anyway, good luck for the season and I am looking forward to hopefully visiting a few new non league grounds next season. Sometimes you have to take a step back to go forward. Easy to say, I know. But it looks like you will come back stronger and with a more cohesive grouping as you allude to. It’s always the fans (the constant factor in any club) who suffer most. All the best for the future. Keep the faith.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 15:19:17 GMT
Na imo all other teams should move up and then they start at the bottom again! Why? No one currently at the club has anything to do with what went on. No one currently at the club has benefited from it. Everyone currently at the club and who will be there going forward has already sufferered. Who are you trying to punish, and why? Why? No one currently at the club has anything to do with what went on. No one currently at the club has benefited from it. Everyone currently at the club and who will be there going forward has already sufferered. Who are you trying to punish, and why? You're punishing the teams below who run their club properly and live within their means. They should start at the bottom and work their way up as a sustainable club thanks for answering for me! As a Bath city fan on the side! It would be a kick in the balls to sides like Bath!
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Post by burnthewitch on Oct 6, 2019 15:22:25 GMT
It's worth mentioning that this sorry episode has resulted in a much stronger community feeling towards the club and we all want the club to run on an even keel and within our means. When Stuart Day, the previous owner, took over, the club owed nothing on the ground and he immediately borrowed 1.7 million from a dubious finance company , of that 1.7 million 40% went to a third party as an introductory fee, allegedly to the owner and his side kick who is also the brother in law of the guy who owns the peer to peer lending company that we now owe 3.4 million to. Glen Thomas the sidekick introduced Steve Dale to the club and he specialises in liquidating companies. You can see how murky the waters are and it is all allegations but the fraud office are investigating. Anyway, good luck for the season and I am looking forward to hopefully visiting a few new non league grounds next season. Fingers crossed the Fraud Office get to the bottom of it. On a positive note - sounds like the local community are backing the Club. I've been banging on about the need for Bristol Rovers to be sustainable - but you still get some supporters just who want success/promotion at almost any cost. It's just not worth it. A bit like our season in the Conference, Bury might well go on a bit of a journey - galvanising local support and ending up stronger. Hopefully Bury can start again in Conference North and with decent crowds supporting the Club - back in the Football League within 5 years? Best of luck Shakers. I'm gutted as one of my kids works in Manchester and Bury away was the first fixtures I had pencilled in. I even learnt how to say Bury properly. It's "Burr-eh".
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 6, 2019 17:04:56 GMT
Hi all, Bury fan here, I thought I would take a look and see what was being said about you missing a game yesterday because of our expulsion. It's interesting to read views from other clubs fans and most seem to be the same , some think we deserved it and some feel sorry for us. I have watched Bury home and away for 50 years and at the moment Saturdays are just not the same, I have been to some local non league games and yesterday I went to Accrington but it's not the same when you don't care who wins. We all know that Bury have been reckless in the wages paid to players over the last 6 years but lots of fans tried to raise concerns about the spending and the loans that were taken out. David Conn from the Guardian published several stories about our dodgy finances. My point is that this could happen to any club if you they end up with owners like ours, I feel that the EFL should have rules regarding budgets and wages and they should be checked before every season, you all knew we couldn't afford it and we all knew it , so why didn't they investigate sooner. If they don't put a system in place then this will happen again and again. I was at the ground when our last minute buyers were announced by the Sky TV crews late on the Friday night and I was there again on the following Tuesday when it was announced they had pulled at 4 pm with a 5 pm deadline in place. I am not ashamed to say I had tears in my eyes and I can't describe the feeling at 11pm that night when the EFL announced we had been expelled. There is still a bidder who wants to buy the club and hopefully that will happen because at least all the businesses we owe money to will get something. We are due to be wound up on the 16th October, who knows what Steve Dale has got planned. I hope that someone will buy the ground and we can get into the Conference North for next season, they are expanding that division by 2 teams next season. The point of my ramble is that we have been in existence for 134 years and we have been destroyed by 2 owners in charge for just 6 years, it could be you or any other team unless the EFL act, it's the fans that are punished, the owners don't even care. Hope to see you again in the future , been to Bristol many times but it's not been a good place for us in terms of results. Good luck to you. Hope you manage to get something going again for next season even if it’s in NW Counties or perhaps Northern Premier in one of their leagues. I agree with your, fairly controlled complaints about the EFL (esp in the circumstances). It may be too late for you now but perhaps this will be a wake up call to them and also the FA. Ive been equally critical of the EFL but feel they’ve had to act and their actions since August have been ok. (I don’t expect you to agree! But they had to act decisively.) This league has lost a lot of its integrity because of your demise and their lack of action earlier which would have enabled them to put in place a 24-place League was poor. In the end they acted but the damage had been done. Hopefully in the future plans will be in place to ensure clubs are good to go well before the season starts. I’ve followed your demise and David Conn’s writings. Your forum highlighted Day’s suicidal financial strategy some time ago and posters were worried about what might happen amongst all the others who were looking at Championship promotion! Im glad to hear there is a bidder ready for you and I would have thought you need to get that done ASAP. Had you got that new owner in place you might even have had a better chance of rescuing the club’s EFL place next season. I don’t think the EFL were ever going to throw you a rescue line with Steve Dale remaining as owner. And of course you are absolutely correct in the way you repeated what I’ve said many times, there for the grace of god goes us (BRFC). I hope we use you as a cautionary tale. Anyway good luck, hope you get a place in the leagues I mentioned and start your long way back up the pyramid. You won’t want to hear this but that season we were out of the league, 14-15, was one of my favourites and like you have supported my club for 54 years! UTG!
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