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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 18, 2019 15:54:45 GMT
Why has come to the fore NOW ? We knew we had a problem when the ozone layer got fcuked, yet we did nothing ! So why are we being told now to do something ? This has been known since I was at school but politicians who only look at the next election chose to ignore it (on a whole, individual ones understood). We now have evidence, although many refuse to believe it for varied reasons, and procrastination isn't an option, doing nothing will make it worse. Do something now and we can mitigate the extremes somewhat. Plus it is possible to create jobs and better the economy. As for the ozone, we did do something and it has helped slow dowm the depletion. All good valid points but should we believe our govt when they say go electric, go hybrid etc, but 12 years ago they said go Diesel its good for the environment.... now they tell me i have to ditch my 12 year old diesel....... should i believe them again and commit to paying £30k for electric car ?
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Post by chewbacca on Nov 18, 2019 16:06:04 GMT
This has been known since I was at school but politicians who only look at the next election chose to ignore it (on a whole, individual ones understood). We now have evidence, although many refuse to believe it for varied reasons, and procrastination isn't an option, doing nothing will make it worse. Do something now and we can mitigate the extremes somewhat. Plus it is possible to create jobs and better the economy. As for the ozone, we did do something and it has helped slow dowm the depletion. All good valid points but should we believe our govt when they say go electric, go hybrid etc, but 12 years ago they said go Diesel its good for the environment.... now they tell me i have to ditch my 12 year old diesel....... should i believe them again and commit to paying £30k for electric car ? You don't think the devaluing of your diesel car might be down to it being 12 years old?
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Post by Gassy on Nov 18, 2019 16:07:26 GMT
This has been known since I was at school but politicians who only look at the next election chose to ignore it (on a whole, individual ones understood). We now have evidence, although many refuse to believe it for varied reasons, and procrastination isn't an option, doing nothing will make it worse. Do something now and we can mitigate the extremes somewhat. Plus it is possible to create jobs and better the economy. As for the ozone, we did do something and it has helped slow dowm the depletion. All good valid points but should we believe our govt when they say go electric, go hybrid etc, but 12 years ago they said go Diesel its good for the environment.... now they tell me i have to ditch my 12 year old diesel....... should i believe them again and commit to paying £30k for electric car ? Yes, you should believe them. Whether you choose to buy one or not is up to you.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 18, 2019 16:11:51 GMT
This has been known since I was at school but politicians who only look at the next election chose to ignore it (on a whole, individual ones understood). We now have evidence, although many refuse to believe it for varied reasons, and procrastination isn't an option, doing nothing will make it worse. Do something now and we can mitigate the extremes somewhat. Plus it is possible to create jobs and better the economy. As for the ozone, we did do something and it has helped slow dowm the depletion. All good valid points but should we believe our govt when they say go electric, go hybrid etc, but 12 years ago they said go Diesel its good for the environment.... now they tell me i have to ditch my 12 year old diesel....... should i believe them again and commit to paying £30k for electric car ? As someone who follows politics closely, I wouldn't trust or believe a single word they say, particularly ministers or shadow ministers. Electric cars are still in their infancy as far as infrastructure goes, we need to incentivise and provide adequate charging points for example. There also needs to be a better way of manufacture and promotion as more being sold will lower prices. Putting car tax on petrol and diesel forecourt prices may help. However, that of itself doesn't undermine the arguement that something needs to be done. We can't keep ignoring this because it is difficult or inconvenient.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 18, 2019 16:15:21 GMT
All good valid points but should we believe our govt when they say go electric, go hybrid etc, but 12 years ago they said go Diesel its good for the environment.... now they tell me i have to ditch my 12 year old diesel....... should i believe them again and commit to paying £30k for electric car ? Yes, you should believe them. Whether you choose to buy one or not is up to you. Why? I assume the same Government depts saying electric is the way forward now were saying diesel was the way forward a decade or so ago.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 18, 2019 16:28:24 GMT
Yes, you should believe them. Whether you choose to buy one or not is up to you. Why? I assume the same Government depts saying electric is the way forward now were saying diesel was the way forward a decade or so ago. Because it isn't just the government saying it, but pretty much every person who is intelligent enough to research climate change, is also saying the same thing.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 18, 2019 16:31:14 GMT
Yes, you should believe them. Whether you choose to buy one or not is up to you. Why? I assume the same Government depts saying electric is the way forward now were saying diesel was the way forward a decade or so ago. Different brief from a different government. The diesel incentive, actually petrol disincentive, was to lower CO2. The trade off is higher Nitrous Oxide.
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Post by Gasshole on Nov 18, 2019 21:19:01 GMT
This has been known since I was at school but politicians who only look at the next election chose to ignore it (on a whole, individual ones understood). We now have evidence, although many refuse to believe it for varied reasons, and procrastination isn't an option, doing nothing will make it worse. Do something now and we can mitigate the extremes somewhat. Plus it is possible to create jobs and better the economy. As for the ozone, we did do something and it has helped slow dowm the depletion. All good valid points but should we believe our govt when they say go electric, go hybrid etc, but 12 years ago they said go Diesel its good for the environment.... now they tell me i have to ditch my 12 year old diesel....... should i believe them again and commit to paying £30k for electric car ? Just get one anyway, they’re so much fun. I’m pleasantly surprised at how many Teds can do cartwheels and back Flips over the bonnet. # silent assassin
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Post by endicotton on Nov 18, 2019 21:31:55 GMT
All good valid points but should we believe our govt when they say go electric, go hybrid etc, but 12 years ago they said go Diesel its good for the environment.... now they tell me i have to ditch my 12 year old diesel....... should i believe them again and commit to paying £30k for electric car ? Just get one anyway, they’re so much fun. I’m pleasantly surprised at how many Teds can do cartwheels and back Flips. # silent assassin Easier to do the cartwheels and flips with the extra toes I guess.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 18, 2019 21:45:08 GMT
This has been known since I was at school but politicians who only look at the next election chose to ignore it (on a whole, individual ones understood). We now have evidence, although many refuse to believe it for varied reasons, and procrastination isn't an option, doing nothing will make it worse. Do something now and we can mitigate the extremes somewhat. Plus it is possible to create jobs and better the economy. As for the ozone, we did do something and it has helped slow dowm the depletion. All good valid points but should we believe our govt when they say go electric, go hybrid etc, but 12 years ago they said go Diesel its good for the environment.... now they tell me i have to ditch my 12 year old diesel....... should i believe them again and commit to paying £30k for electric car ? It’s more like £50k for a family electric car. I brokered a new Tesla for a customer 4 years ago for £82k. He’s just changed it for the Fpace Jag. The best trade value I could get him was £24k, it had less than 30k miles on it. His new Jag was £78k OTR. It’s cost him more in 4 years for an electric car than it has you in 12 years so I’m struggling to see the economics in it all regardless of how much free tax and MOTs you have had.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 19, 2019 6:32:17 GMT
All good valid points but should we believe our govt when they say go electric, go hybrid etc, but 12 years ago they said go Diesel its good for the environment.... now they tell me i have to ditch my 12 year old diesel....... should i believe them again and commit to paying £30k for electric car ? It’s more like £50k for a family electric car. I brokered a new Tesla for a customer 4 years ago for £82k. He’s just changed it for the Fpace Jag. The best trade value I could get him was £24k, it had less than 30k miles on it. His new Jag was £78k OTR. It’s cost him more in 4 years for an electric car than it has you in 12 years so I’m struggling to see the economics in it all regardless of how much free tax and MOTs you have had. My 12 year old Honda civic has done over 136,000 miles mostly motorway driving at an average of 55 miles/gal Electric/hybrid cars are not going to better that as they are very uneconomical at high speeds My diesel Car value is approx 10% of my possible purchase Price of a new car (recent valued against a new Peugeot E-208) My Carbon footprint has been "spent" when the car was manufactured in Swindon so no gain if scrapped The carbon footprint of a new Peugeot e-208 is greater than the lifespan gained by being "Electric", that electric being produced by 50% none environmentally friendly methods The recycle Life time of the Battery in a E-208 is approx 8 years (What car figure) and they are approx 25% of the manufacture cost of the Car So Are electric Cars that much better than current fossil fuel cars ?
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 19, 2019 7:21:45 GMT
It’s more like £50k for a family electric car. I brokered a new Tesla for a customer 4 years ago for £82k. He’s just changed it for the Fpace Jag. The best trade value I could get him was £24k, it had less than 30k miles on it. His new Jag was £78k OTR. It’s cost him more in 4 years for an electric car than it has you in 12 years so I’m struggling to see the economics in it all regardless of how much free tax and MOTs you have had. My 12 year old Honda civic has done over 136,000 miles mostly motorway driving at an average of 55 miles/gal Electric/hybrid cars are not going to better that as they are very uneconomical at high speeds My diesel Car value is approx 10% of my possible purchase Price of a new car (recent valued against a new Peugeot E-208) My Carbon footprint has been "spent" when the car was manufactured in Swindon so no gain if scrapped The carbon footprint of a new Peugeot e-208 is greater than the lifespan gained by being "Electric", that electric being produced by 50% none environmentally friendly methods The recycle Life time of the Battery in a E-208 is approx 8 years (What car figure) and they are approx 25% of the manufacture cost of the Car So Are electric Cars that much better than current fossil fuel cars ? My take on it is that electric cars are non-polluting at point of use so I guess would improve the issue of air quality within our towns and cities. But in all other respects it is still a car with all the other environmental issues of where the materials are sourced/disposed of etc. Particularly the materials needed to build the batteries with their subsequent disposal in later years. So it is debatable how good they really are for the environment overall.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 19, 2019 9:07:58 GMT
It’s more like £50k for a family electric car. I brokered a new Tesla for a customer 4 years ago for £82k. He’s just changed it for the Fpace Jag. The best trade value I could get him was £24k, it had less than 30k miles on it. His new Jag was £78k OTR. It’s cost him more in 4 years for an electric car than it has you in 12 years so I’m struggling to see the economics in it all regardless of how much free tax and MOTs you have had. My 12 year old Honda civic has done over 136,000 miles mostly motorway driving at an average of 55 miles/gal 1. Electric/hybrid cars are not going to better that as they are very uneconomical at high speeds My diesel Car value is approx 10% of my possible purchase Price of a new car (recent valued against a new Peugeot E-208) 2. My Carbon footprint has been "spent" when the car was manufactured in Swindon so no gain if scrapped 3. The carbon footprint of a new Peugeot e-208 is greater than the lifespan gained by being "Electric", that electric being produced by 50% none environmentally friendly methods 4. The recycle Life time of the Battery in a E-208 is approx 8 years (What car figure) and they are approx 25% of the manufacture cost of the Car 5. So Are electric Cars that much better than current fossil fuel cars ? 1. Yes it is. It will still be better for the environment as it produces 0 emissions. The overall gain is still worth it, even from the electricity being produced to run it. 2. Not sure which point specifically you're trying to make here. You can just say the same for every electric car as well, it's the same issue both ways. 3. I'm not quite sure that's true. So firstly, in the UK it's worse than 50%, it's actually 37.4% - the Tories have done a horrific job up until May took over in looking at renewable energy (probably the only good thing she actually did). It depends on the country you're in if it's worth it. If you're in Asia or the middle east, it's probably not worth it yet as they produce 0%-6% of renewable energy. In the UK, whilst ours is embarrassingly lacking behind the other major European countries, it would still be worth it. 4. Yes, this part needs improving - but it still beats a diesel's emissions over a life time. However, these are getting better constantly. 5. Yes, in the UK they are. Europe as a whole, it is definitely worth it. For me, you're making the wrong arguments here. EV's are a long way from the finished product, but this isn't a reason as to why a 12 year old diesel is better - they're still worse. That's pretty much fact at this point. Price, accessibility of charging, length of charging time & length of batter life (both long term and how far it can drive) all need to improve massively. As does the government with renewable energy production. They are definitely better for town driving, rather than motorway. The government needs to do more to encourage people to buy EV's as well. I think it's laughable the fact they actually lowered the grant to buy an electric car, yet encourage people to buy one - they then moan as to why EV sales dropped (for the first time ever). Their strategy is wrong - banning diesels won't do that much, rather give large financial awards/grants etc for EVs and people will be more tempted to buy one.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 19, 2019 9:58:02 GMT
My 12 year old Honda civic has done over 136,000 miles mostly motorway driving at an average of 55 miles/gal 1. Electric/hybrid cars are not going to better that as they are very uneconomical at high speeds My diesel Car value is approx 10% of my possible purchase Price of a new car (recent valued against a new Peugeot E-208) 2. My Carbon footprint has been "spent" when the car was manufactured in Swindon so no gain if scrapped 3. The carbon footprint of a new Peugeot e-208 is greater than the lifespan gained by being "Electric", that electric being produced by 50% none environmentally friendly methods 4. The recycle Life time of the Battery in a E-208 is approx 8 years (What car figure) and they are approx 25% of the manufacture cost of the Car 5. So Are electric Cars that much better than current fossil fuel cars ? 1. Yes it is. It will still be better for the environment as it produces 0 emissions. The overall gain is still worth it, even from the electricity being produced to run it. 2. Not sure which point specifically you're trying to make here. You can just say the same for every electric car as well, it's the same issue both ways. 3. I'm not quite sure that's true. So firstly, in the UK it's worse than 50%, it's actually 37.4% - the Tories have done a horrific job up until May took over in looking at renewable energy (probably the only good thing she actually did). It depends on the country you're in if it's worth it. If you're in Asia or the middle east, it's probably not worth it yet as they produce 0%-6% of renewable energy. In the UK, whilst ours is embarrassingly lacking behind the other major European countries, it would still be worth it. 4. Yes, this part needs improving - but it still beats a diesel's emissions over a life time. However, these are getting better constantly. 5. Yes, in the UK they are. Europe as a whole, it is definitely worth it. For me, you're making the wrong arguments here. EV's are a long way from the finished product, but this isn't a reason as to why a 12 year old diesel is better - they're still worse. That's pretty much fact at this point. Price, accessibility of charging, length of charging time & length of batter life (both long term and how far it can drive) all need to improve massively. As does the government with renewable energy production. They are definitely better for town driving, rather than motorway. The government needs to do more to encourage people to buy EV's as well. I think it's laughable the fact they actually lowered the grant to buy an electric car, yet encourage people to buy one - they then moan as to why EV sales dropped (for the first time ever). Their strategy is wrong - banning diesels won't do that much, rather give large financial awards/grants etc for EVs and people will be more tempted to buy one. Some good points but... 1. Whilst most electric is from a general renewable source, it won’t be if we need to produce more electric to drive around 5m+ cars in the UK. You will just be moving the environmental impact somewhere else with a different ecological effect. What are we going to do with all the nuclear waste? Where will we build the additional powertstations? Who will pay for them? What will there carbon footprint be? 2. Mining and production of lithium ion is not ethical and neither is it environmentally friendly. Have you seen a lithium farm and the treatment on workers within it? Now they want to start mining the ocean floors because what’s on the earths surface is depleting rapidly, around about 10 years left. So what ecological damage is that going to do? 3. Cost of lithium ion is massively expensive to produce and service/repair. My workshop has already replaced 3 hi voltage units on Mercedes vehicles each unit at a cost of £6500+vat on vehicles 4-5 years old worth approx £14k in value. That cost will only rise with demand not decrease with time. Especially when you consider point 2. 4. EVs have been around since the 50s in various guises, the current EV and hybrid technology since 2001 when Toyota started loss leading their Prius range with it. (That’s correct, they need to keep selling their 4x4 and normal range to pay for it and still do, hence the tie up between BMW and Daimler, and other leading manufacturers to try and reduce this cost). The core functions of that set up hasn’t changed a great deal in design and if anything they have increased in weight with additional electronic technology and the range is still only 400 miles at best. 5. Because of point 4 it’s impossible for governments to subsidise any form of grant or scrap page scheme to make it cost viable via the taxpayer. So the only way to do it is to kick the diesel owner into submission even when you look at the whole argument and say at the moment, it still isn’t viable. I had an opportunity to buy a new hybrid last year and I seriously considered it, borrowed one for the weekend to see how it would stack up against a new Euro 6 equipped diesel. I couldn’t justify the additional cost of it for starters, it was 15mpg worse than the diesel across most types of driving and was heavier on the benefit in kind for company car users 137g/km vs 117g/km for the diesel. Full EV is way out of my league for depreciation costs and life span cycle of battery (see my comment above on Tesla and Jag) as it would be for most family budgets.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 19, 2019 10:23:51 GMT
1. Yes it is. It will still be better for the environment as it produces 0 emissions. The overall gain is still worth it, even from the electricity being produced to run it. 2. Not sure which point specifically you're trying to make here. You can just say the same for every electric car as well, it's the same issue both ways. 3. I'm not quite sure that's true. So firstly, in the UK it's worse than 50%, it's actually 37.4% - the Tories have done a horrific job up until May took over in looking at renewable energy (probably the only good thing she actually did). It depends on the country you're in if it's worth it. If you're in Asia or the middle east, it's probably not worth it yet as they produce 0%-6% of renewable energy. In the UK, whilst ours is embarrassingly lacking behind the other major European countries, it would still be worth it. 4. Yes, this part needs improving - but it still beats a diesel's emissions over a life time. However, these are getting better constantly. 5. Yes, in the UK they are. Europe as a whole, it is definitely worth it. For me, you're making the wrong arguments here. EV's are a long way from the finished product, but this isn't a reason as to why a 12 year old diesel is better - they're still worse. That's pretty much fact at this point. Price, accessibility of charging, length of charging time & length of batter life (both long term and how far it can drive) all need to improve massively. As does the government with renewable energy production. They are definitely better for town driving, rather than motorway. The government needs to do more to encourage people to buy EV's as well. I think it's laughable the fact they actually lowered the grant to buy an electric car, yet encourage people to buy one - they then moan as to why EV sales dropped (for the first time ever). Their strategy is wrong - banning diesels won't do that much, rather give large financial awards/grants etc for EVs and people will be more tempted to buy one. Some good points but... 1. Whilst most electric is from a general renewable source, it won’t be if we need to produce more electric to drive around 5m+ cars in the UK. You will just be moving the environmental impact somewhere else with a different ecological effect. What are we going to do with all the nuclear waste? Where will we build the additional powertstations? Who will pay for them? What will there carbon footprint be? 2. Mining and production of lithium ion is not ethical and neither is it environmentally friendly. Have you seen a lithium farm and the treatment on workers within it? Now they want to start mining the ocean floors because what’s on the earths surface is depleting rapidly, around about 10 years left. So what ecological damage is that going to do? 3. Cost of lithium ion is massively expensive to produce and service/repair. My workshop has already replaced 3 hi voltage units on Mercedes vehicles each unit at a cost of £6500+vat on vehicles 4-5 years old worth approx £14k in value. That cost will only rise with demand not decrease with time. Especially when you consider point 2. 4. EVs have been around since the 50s in various guises, the current EV and hybrid technology since 2001 when Toyota started loss leading their Prius range with it. (That’s correct, they need to keep selling their 4x4 and normal range to pay for it and still do, hence the tie up between BMW and Daimler, and other leading manufacturers to try and reduce this cost). The core functions of that set up hasn’t changed a great deal in design and if anything they have increased in weight with additional electronic technology and the range is still only 400 miles at best. 5. Because of point 4 it’s impossible for governments to subsidise any form of grant or scrap page scheme to make it cost viable via the taxpayer. So the only way to do it is to kick the diesel owner into submission even when you look at the whole argument and say at the moment, it still isn’t viable. I had an opportunity to buy a new hybrid last year and I seriously considered it, borrowed one for the weekend to see how it would stack up against a new Euro 6 equipped diesel. I couldn’t justify the additional cost of it for starters, it was 15mpg worse than the diesel across most types of driving and was heavier on the benefit in kind for company car users 137g/km vs 117g/km for the diesel. Full EV is way out of my league for depreciation costs and life span cycle of battery (see my comment above on Tesla and Jag) as it would be for most family budgets. Re your last point how can carrying a large electric battery plus an electric motor in a
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 10:30:15 GMT
A friend of mine recently bought a new electric Jag. He say's it's the worst thing he has ever bought. The range he is getting is only between 50 and 60% as that advertised. He dreads it if it rains, and he's loath to drive in the dark. He's found at times he is driving with the heating switched off, radio off, everything off, as he has to try and conserve the battery usage. In terms of range he wouldn't be able to drive to Birmingham and back to Bristol on a single charge ! To fully charge the car back to full power can take thirteen hours !
This is what he tells me.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 19, 2019 10:35:26 GMT
1. Yes it is. It will still be better for the environment as it produces 0 emissions. The overall gain is still worth it, even from the electricity being produced to run it. 2. Not sure which point specifically you're trying to make here. You can just say the same for every electric car as well, it's the same issue both ways. 3. I'm not quite sure that's true. So firstly, in the UK it's worse than 50%, it's actually 37.4% - the Tories have done a horrific job up until May took over in looking at renewable energy (probably the only good thing she actually did). It depends on the country you're in if it's worth it. If you're in Asia or the middle east, it's probably not worth it yet as they produce 0%-6% of renewable energy. In the UK, whilst ours is embarrassingly lacking behind the other major European countries, it would still be worth it. 4. Yes, this part needs improving - but it still beats a diesel's emissions over a life time. However, these are getting better constantly. 5. Yes, in the UK they are. Europe as a whole, it is definitely worth it. For me, you're making the wrong arguments here. EV's are a long way from the finished product, but this isn't a reason as to why a 12 year old diesel is better - they're still worse. That's pretty much fact at this point. Price, accessibility of charging, length of charging time & length of batter life (both long term and how far it can drive) all need to improve massively. As does the government with renewable energy production. They are definitely better for town driving, rather than motorway. The government needs to do more to encourage people to buy EV's as well. I think it's laughable the fact they actually lowered the grant to buy an electric car, yet encourage people to buy one - they then moan as to why EV sales dropped (for the first time ever). Their strategy is wrong - banning diesels won't do that much, rather give large financial awards/grants etc for EVs and people will be more tempted to buy one. Some good points but... 1. Whilst most electric is from a general renewable source, it won’t be if we need to produce more electric to drive around 5m+ cars in the UK. You will just be moving the environmental impact somewhere else with a different ecological effect. What are we going to do with all the nuclear waste? Where will we build the additional powertstations? Who will pay for them? What will there carbon footprint be? 2. Mining and production of lithium ion is not ethical and neither is it environmentally friendly. Have you seen a lithium farm and the treatment on workers within it? Now they want to start mining the ocean floors because what’s on the earths surface is depleting rapidly, around about 10 years left. So what ecological damage is that going to do? 3. Cost of lithium ion is massively expensive to produce and service/repair. My workshop has already replaced 3 hi voltage units on Mercedes vehicles each unit at a cost of £6500+vat on vehicles 4-5 years old worth approx £14k in value. That cost will only rise with demand not decrease with time. Especially when you consider point 2. 4. EVs have been around since the 50s in various guises, the current EV and hybrid technology since 2001 when Toyota started loss leading their Prius range with it. (That’s correct, they need to keep selling their 4x4 and normal range to pay for it and still do, hence the tie up between BMW and Daimler, and other leading manufacturers to try and reduce this cost). The core functions of that set up hasn’t changed a great deal in design and if anything they have increased in weight with additional electronic technology and the range is still only 400 miles at best. 5. Because of point 4 it’s impossible for governments to subsidise any form of grant or scrap page scheme to make it cost viable via the taxpayer. So the only way to do it is to kick the diesel owner into submission even when you look at the whole argument and say at the moment, it still isn’t viable. I had an opportunity to buy a new hybrid last year and I seriously considered it, borrowed one for the weekend to see how it would stack up against a new Euro 6 equipped diesel. I couldn’t justify the additional cost of it for starters, it was 15mpg worse than the diesel across most types of driving and was heavier on the benefit in kind for company car users 137g/km vs 117g/km for the diesel. Full EV is way out of my league for depreciation costs and life span cycle of battery (see my comment above on Tesla and Jag) as it would be for most family budgets. 1. Sure and that's a good point, but realistically not everyone tomorrow will own an electric car. It's about taking incremental steps in the right direction, as humanity has always done - it takes time. You can pretty much compare it to anything - as a random one take homophobia or racism. In the UK, we didn't just one day become non-racist. It took time, social values had to change which then influenced others to come along, with then the new generation coming through and taking that as the norm. That's how I view this issue, which we already see for 18-30's, they're much more passionate about the environment and cars than the 40+ (on average). For me, creating a scenario where 'if everyone did it, then they wouldn't be good for the environment, therefore I won't do it' isn't a strong enough point. 2. Kinda of similar to my point above. No, I haven't seen it and I'm sure it's terrible - but is that enough of a point to not buy one, or at least buy into the idea? (two very separate things). What are the working conditions like for the World Cup 2022 in Qatar? How many people have died building those stadiums in slavery? Will you therefore boycott watching the game and call for England to boycott? What about many of the food we buy? 3. I can't argue anything on price, it needs to improve. The best thing that people can do (if they can afford it) is to buy on finance, that way within 3 years you'll get the next model with the improved technology and having a greener car. 4. My expertise on cars internal workings and set up is clearly not to your knowledge, neither the understanding of cars back in 2000, since I was born in 1991. However, the increase/improvement in the last few years has gone up quite a bit since demand has grown. Car companies will be forced (especially in the UK & France who have laws that new cars must be electric by 2040) to adapt and create better technology if they want to keep any sort of market share in the UK. Otherwise, there will be someone who will undercut them. 5. Our government needs to do a lot more in investing in all aspects of EV's and renewable energy in general. It's one thing to make a law, but another to actually implement it. Whilst I don't think the diesel ban is the right idea to do it, I personally believe it's a step in the right direction to awareness, changing people's minds & changing social values around the subject. I don't blame anyone within reason for not owning an EV, I don't.. But I don't own a car (I'm super green ) as I live in Slovakia and like much more of Europe, the public transport is better and cheaper than it is in the UK, so I don't need one in the same way. The UK really needs to improve this fact, especially Bristol specifically.
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Post by brads213 on Nov 19, 2019 10:36:24 GMT
About time they stated taxing or even better banning electric cars cus they cause more pollution than any diesel and look at all the batteries that are going to be going into landfill in the future it’s just a con
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 10:52:47 GMT
This test track on the Autobahn is just down the road from me. I have to say the amount of metal needed is obscene with metal pillars all down the side of the road every twenty meters or so. "Germany opens first overhead electricity test track for trucks on autobahn" Overhead electricity
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 19, 2019 11:14:06 GMT
This test track on the Autobahn is just down the road from me. I have to say the amount of metal needed is obscene with metal pillars all down the side of the road every twenty meters or so. "Germany opens first overhead electricity test track for trucks on autobahn" Overhead electricity
That has to be the most stupid thing ever......
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