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Post by blueridge on Dec 15, 2019 8:54:36 GMT
The same Nichols who played a part in both goals today? Best budget, considering inflation? Considering the money raised due to sells? Yes the same Nichols. He cost £350,000. Regardless of how he did today he still cost that much and most will agree hasn’t been worth that fee. There’s no money left, it’s all been spent on this budget - if we can let some players like Bennett go then that obviously frees up cash, but easier said than done. My point is we’re in a very difficult position primarily as a result of bad spending, rather than under-funding. Just four players on the books - Bennett, Nichols, Mensah & Mathews costing the best part of £12k a week in wages puts into perspective the problems the club have, particularly with cash flow. Why would Bennett for example leave the club when he has a lucrative contract for another eighteen months.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Dec 15, 2019 9:04:09 GMT
This saga is a complete humiliation for the club. A struggling 2nd division team can attract a manager from a team who could next Saturday, on the basis of just two results be in an automatic promotion position. It's a sad incitement of, IMO the owners that it has come to this. I was firm supporter of GC despite many on here acting as though they were DC's love children but his 'crocodile' tears last evening do not wash with me. His position now is untenable - hopefully the club can agree a compensation package quickly and we move on again. The worry I have is the impact this will have on the playing staff as clearly he had a 'special' relationship with them. Tony Craig would be my suggestion as a caretaker manager for the rest of the season - IF new owners are coming in it will at least give them the opportunity to bring their own man in. It’ says far more about the owners than it does about Coughlan. Do you honestly think he would be the slightest bit interested in moving from 4th in League 1 to 18th in League 2 if he had belief and trust in his current employer?
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Post by blueridge on Dec 15, 2019 9:08:50 GMT
This saga is a complete humiliation for the club. A struggling 2nd division team can attract a manager from a team who could next Saturday, on the basis of just two results be in an automatic promotion position. It's a sad incitement of, IMO the owners that it has come to this. I was firm supporter of GC despite many on here acting as though they were DC's love children but his 'crocodile' tears last evening do not wash with me. His position now is untenable - hopefully the club can agree a compensation package quickly and we move on again. The worry I have is the impact this will have on the playing staff as clearly he had a 'special' relationship with them. Tony Craig would be my suggestion as a caretaker manager for the rest of the season - IF new owners are coming in it will at least give them the opportunity to bring their own man in. It’ says far more about the owners than it does about Coughlan. Do you honestly think he would be the slightest bit interested in moving from 4th in League 1 to 18th in League 2 if he had belief and trust in his current employer? Totally agree - exactly the point I was making.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 15, 2019 9:56:40 GMT
This saga is a complete humiliation for the club. A struggling 2nd division team can attract a manager from a team who could next Saturday, on the basis of just two results be in an automatic promotion position. It's a sad incitement of, IMO the owners that it has come to this. I was firm supporter of GC despite many on here acting as though they were DC's love children but his 'crocodile' tears last evening do not wash with me. His position now is untenable - hopefully the club can agree a compensation package quickly and we move on again. The worry I have is the impact this will have on the playing staff as clearly he had a 'special' relationship with them. Tony Craig would be my suggestion as a caretaker manager for the rest of the season - IF new owners are coming in it will at least give them the opportunity to bring their own man in. It’ says far more about the owners than it does about Coughlan. Do you honestly think he would be the slightest bit interested in moving from 4th in League 1 to 18th in League 2 if he had belief and trust in his current employer? But what if what he wanted at Rovers was similar to DC's spending and it might bankrupt us if we missed out on promotion? Or it's all just a smoke screen as GC wants to move back home to help with his kids homework etc and Mansfield are prepared to offer him what he wants. GC has really stuck the knife into the ALQ's back when they backed him by giving him his first managerial job. Another issue is can a club like ours really afford Championship football, when we're making big losses just as a mid table League 1 side. Not sure I'd fancy a season of seeing us beat every week like Bolton this season.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 15, 2019 10:12:28 GMT
It’ says far more about the owners than it does about Coughlan. Do you honestly think he would be the slightest bit interested in moving from 4th in League 1 to 18th in League 2 if he had belief and trust in his current employer? But what if what he wanted at Rovers was similar to DC's spending and it might bankrupt us if we missed out on promotion? Or it's all just a smoke screen as GC wants to move back home to help with his kids homework etc and Mansfield are prepared to offer him what he wants. GC has really stuck the knife into the ALQ's back when they backed him by giving him his first managerial job. Another issue is can a club like ours really afford Championship football, when we're making big losses just as a mid table League 1 side. Not sure I'd fancy a season of seeing us beat every week like Bolton this season. I agree that he has chucked the ALQs under a bus with this. They gave him a chance when no one else would (Southend, Plymouth, Gillingham) Backed him with the signings he wanted in both windows so far. Whilst he has repaid them with a relegation save and improving them this year what he hasn’t rewarded them with is loyalty. If he was approached then until the club agree to letting anyone talk to him he needs to keep his head down and mouth shut and not destabilise the squad with interviews that he is thinking of leaving. Because that stabs every single fan in the back along with it. I have no problems if Cogs wants to leave. He isnt bigger than BRFC and never will be. But at least do it properly and in a dignified way.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 15, 2019 11:54:13 GMT
This saga is a complete humiliation for the club. A struggling 2nd division team can attract a manager from a team who could next Saturday, on the basis of just two results be in an automatic promotion position. It's a sad incitement of, IMO the owners that it has come to this. I was firm supporter of GC despite many on here acting as though they were DC's love children but his 'crocodile' tears last evening do not wash with me. His position now is untenable - hopefully the club can agree a compensation package quickly and we move on again. The worry I have is the impact this will have on the playing staff as clearly he had a 'special' relationship with them. Tony Craig would be my suggestion as a caretaker manager for the rest of the season - IF new owners are coming in it will at least give them the opportunity to bring their own man in. It’ says far more about the owners than it does about Coughlan. Do you honestly think he would be the slightest bit interested in moving from 4th in League 1 to 18th in League 2 if he had belief and trust in his current employer? Without knowing him or his personal situation I've no idea how you can say this. I have left a much better job, better pay, better prospects for purely personal reasons in the past. It was in no way any reflection on that employer nor on the job I went to.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 15, 2019 12:02:03 GMT
It’ says far more about the owners than it does about Coughlan. Do you honestly think he would be the slightest bit interested in moving from 4th in League 1 to 18th in League 2 if he had belief and trust in his current employer? Without knowing him or his personal situation I've no idea how you can say this. I have left a much better job, better pay, better prospects for purely personal reasons in the past. It was in no way any reflection on that employer nor on the job I went to. I agree with what you’re saying. I could totally buy this on its own. But a lot of what has come out of the interview itself, plus Bristol Post and BBC Bristol sport suggests there’s a back room element to it. Ive defended the board in the past but the lack of stadium and investment news means that I’ve lost faith in them all together. The sooner we can find new owners the best for everyone. We can’t keep going through this Groundhog Day scenario. I think they were committed previously but now they’re just in it for the money. Whilst previous boards have been inept and or had to run us in a shoestring at least they were gas heads and would have found a way to support GC and this playoff push.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 15, 2019 12:03:48 GMT
I think they were committed previously but now they’re just in it for the money. They're just in it to lose lots of money?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 15, 2019 12:04:59 GMT
I think they were committed previously but now they’re just in it for the money. They're just in it to lose lots of money? Fair point, should read minimise their losses.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 12:06:21 GMT
But what if what he wanted at Rovers was similar to DC's spending and it might bankrupt us if we missed out on promotion? Or it's all just a smoke screen as GC wants to move back home to help with his kids homework etc and Mansfield are prepared to offer him what he wants. GC has really stuck the knife into the ALQ's back when they backed him by giving him his first managerial job. Another issue is can a club like ours really afford Championship football, when we're making big losses just as a mid table League 1 side. Not sure I'd fancy a season of seeing us beat every week like Bolton this season. I agree that he has chucked the ALQs under a bus with this. They gave him a chance when no one else would (Southend, Plymouth, Gillingham) Backed him with the signings he wanted in both windows so far. Whilst he has repaid them with a relegation save and improving them this year what he hasn’t rewarded them with is loyalty. If he was approached then until the club agree to letting anyone talk to him he needs to keep his head down and mouth shut and not destabilise the squad with interviews that he is thinking of leaving. Because that stabs every single fan in the back along with it. I have no problems if Cogs wants to leave. He isnt bigger than BRFC and never will be. But at least do it properly and in a dignified way. With respect I told you all he was a wrong un with that crass Celtic joke- but no-one would have it. He has a problem with not being able to keep his trap shut and it will be interesting to see how he progresses as a manager in front of the media given some of the controversial interviews he has given in his time here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 12:10:19 GMT
Without knowing him or his personal situation I've no idea how you can say this. I have left a much better job, better pay, better prospects for purely personal reasons in the past. It was in no way any reflection on that employer nor on the job I went to. I agree with what you’re saying. I could totally buy this on its own. But a lot of what has come out of the interview itself, plus Bristol Post and BBC Bristol sport suggests there’s a back room element to it. Ive defended the board in the past but the lack of stadium and investment news means that I’ve lost faith in them all together. The sooner we can find new owners the best for everyone. We can’t keep going through this Groundhog Day scenario. I think they were committed previously but now they’re just in it for the money. Whilst previous boards have been inept and or had to run us in a shoestring at least they were gas heads and would have found a way to support GC and this playoff push. As much as I have no time at all for any of the current board I’d be inclined to give them the benefit of some doubt here, purely because they have backed GC in his first steps in management and he knew the conditions when he signed on. For those conditions not to be good enough 12 months later suggests to me that GC’s press (and the money of other clubs) has gone to his head.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Dec 15, 2019 12:13:00 GMT
The same Nichols who played a part in both goals today? Best budget, considering inflation? Considering the money raised due to sells? Yes the same Nichols. He cost £350,000. Regardless of how he did today he still cost that much and most will agree hasn’t been worth that fee. There’s no money left, it’s all been spent on this budget - if we can let some players like Bennett go then that obviously frees up cash, but easier said than done. My point is we’re in a very difficult position primarily as a result of bad spending, rather than under-funding. If only our owners didn't flog our best players for peanuts ay. There's a lot of pressure to replace players like Taylor and Bodin especially, but also Harrison who are sold seemingly at the first offer despite WAQ saying we no longer have to sell our best players. We should have got 5M+ for that trio and ended up with just under 1.5M. Everyone was happy with the signings of Nicho and Bennett. No one had any complaints. Very easy to look back in hindsight though and say the budget was blown. Very easy to say they gave him the best budget but that came from underselling his best players. We're in a very difficult position primarily as a result of bad ownership.
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Post by Congas on Dec 15, 2019 12:24:27 GMT
The AQs can't spend more due to EFL rules either. The budget's used up and they need to wheel and deal in the window, which I'm sure they will because they have before. Coughlan can do one as far as I'm concerned for going public like that to fans with his crocodile tears. He wants someone to blame for him leaving, but all he's done here is to put the blame on himself. He may have got us to 4th but this latest b*llocks relegates him in my eyes. Hargreaves and Mansell for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 12:31:18 GMT
To answer the thread title, there is little chance of the owners putting up as they are already trying to sell up.
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Post by baggins on Dec 15, 2019 12:43:21 GMT
To answer the thread title, there is little chance of the owners putting up as they are already trying to sell up. Well, sort of, depending on who you believe. Wael wants to stay, the family want out, investors want the club plus ground, whatever ground that may be. Who knows what's really going on?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 12:45:58 GMT
To answer the thread title, there is little chance of the owners putting up as they are already trying to sell up. Well, sort of, depending on who you believe. Wael wants to stay, the family want out, investors want the club plus ground, whatever ground that may be. Who knows what's really going on? That sounds pretty accurate to me. January is going to be an interesting time and the manager getting the club to where it is has put massive pressure on the current owners.
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Post by Captain Jayho on Dec 15, 2019 12:50:30 GMT
It's hard to see how the family can get out of this situation and offload the club with their bank balance intact now. I think we all know the club won't. As far as I see it, barring a miracle, everyone is ****ed.
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Post by baggins on Dec 15, 2019 12:53:42 GMT
It's hard to see how the family can get out of this situation and offload the club with their bank balance intact now. I think we all know the club won't. As far as I see it, barring a miracle, everyone is ****ed. No we're not. If it was really that bad, they'd liquidate everything, the Ground, the Colony, sell whatever they can and walk away. They're not though. They're still bank rolling us, paying eveyone, it's not like we haven't been through all this before, and we're still here.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Dec 15, 2019 12:58:32 GMT
To answer the thread title, there is little chance of the owners putting up as they are already trying to sell up. To answer the thread - put up, sell up, stand up for your rights
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Post by Captain Jayho on Dec 15, 2019 13:02:08 GMT
It's hard to see how the family can get out of this situation and offload the club with their bank balance intact now. I think we all know the club won't. As far as I see it, barring a miracle, everyone is ****ed. No we're not. If it was really that bad, they'd liquidate everything, the Ground, the Colony, sell whatever they can and walk away. They're not though. They're still bank rolling us, paying eveyone, it's not like we haven't been through all this before, and we're still here. Each to their own. I reckon you're dreaming though. Wael is a fantasist. I think he still believes he can somehow pull this off. Every day he is getting deeper into the sh*t though. Every day it gets harder to sell the club.
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