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Post by baggins on Dec 15, 2019 13:11:06 GMT
No we're not. If it was really that bad, they'd liquidate everything, the Ground, the Colony, sell whatever they can and walk away. They're not though. They're still bank rolling us, paying eveyone, it's not like we haven't been through all this before, and we're still here. Each to their own. I reckon you're dreaming though. Wael is a fantasist. I think he still believes he can somehow pull this off. Every day he is getting deeper into the sh*t though. Every day it gets harder to sell the club. Well, that's his problem, as long as he still keeps us up and running, fine by me.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 15, 2019 14:34:11 GMT
How can you not afford to get promoted? The money difference on sponsorship etc I imagine is pretty sizeable. Because we won't be able to afford the player required to compete and we'll come straight back down? Could just do a Yeovil and make no attempt to stay up to make some cash?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 15:30:07 GMT
I agree that he has chucked the ALQs under a bus with this. They gave him a chance when no one else would (Southend, Plymouth, Gillingham) Backed him with the signings he wanted in both windows so far. Whilst he has repaid them with a relegation save and improving them this year what he hasn’t rewarded them with is loyalty. If he was approached then until the club agree to letting anyone talk to him he needs to keep his head down and mouth shut and not destabilise the squad with interviews that he is thinking of leaving. Because that stabs every single fan in the back along with it. I have no problems if Cogs wants to leave. He isnt bigger than BRFC and never will be. But at least do it properly and in a dignified way. With respect I told you all he was a wrong un with that crass Celtic joke- but no-one would have it. He has a problem with not being able to keep his trap shut and it will be interesting to see how he progresses as a manager in front of the media given some of the controversial interviews he has given in his time here. Can’t win at Rovers. A manager is criticised because he can’t keep his mouth shut. The owner is criticised for keeping his mouth too shut !!!
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Post by yaz on Dec 15, 2019 15:30:22 GMT
Posts on the Ispwich match thread suggest he wants backing in January, problem is can we survive in the Championship at the Mem when we're already losing £m's in League 1. Typical Rovers we can't even enjoy a famous win for 1 night! Oh trust me enjoying it, I’m right on it already! And I had quite a large amount on 2 - 1 too! Well done you blue boys! Enjoy. i had 3-1 on us as per usual! it was 35-1 so close but no cigar.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 15, 2019 15:41:09 GMT
Yes the same Nichols. He cost £350,000. Regardless of how he did today he still cost that much and most will agree hasn’t been worth that fee. There’s no money left, it’s all been spent on this budget - if we can let some players like Bennett go then that obviously frees up cash, but easier said than done. My point is we’re in a very difficult position primarily as a result of bad spending, rather than under-funding. If only our owners didn't flog our best players for peanuts ay. There's a lot of pressure to replace players like Taylor and Bodin especially, but also Harrison who are sold seemingly at the first offer despite WAQ saying we no longer have to sell our best players. We should have got 5M+ for that trio and ended up with just under 1.5M. Everyone was happy with the signings of Nicho and Bennett. No one had any complaints. Very easy to look back in hindsight though and say the budget was blown. Very easy to say they gave him the best budget but that came from underselling his best players. We're in a very difficult position primarily as a result of bad ownership. The only player they had any real control over the sale was Harrison, he was sold for £750K a year l awater only worth £450 and this summer probably worth even less! Starting to now come around to the view that GC is just in it for himself. The way he dealt with Lines 500th was bang out of order.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Dec 15, 2019 15:43:07 GMT
I do fear that if GC does walk, it could get v toxic towards WAQ. I don’t see it myself. Rovers fans are and always have been completely passive.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 15, 2019 15:44:44 GMT
The thing with Wael is he appears very genuine and very much a supporter just like the rest of us. That's where the problem lies though, I think that's true! He's more of a supporter than an owner. He doesn't appear to have control over matters at all just like we don't.
I'd have a very hard time campaigning against him. The family together though....
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 15, 2019 15:45:33 GMT
That brings another point what the hell is our supporters club doing?
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Post by singupgas on Dec 15, 2019 15:49:36 GMT
I do fear that if GC does walk, it could get v toxic towards WAQ. I don’t see it myself. Rovers fans are and always have been completely passive. Yeah, it's a bit sad..we should be making ourselves heard loud and clear.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 15, 2019 17:18:29 GMT
That brings another point what the hell is our supporters club doing? Dont worry, I'm sure if there was anything to worry about Saint Ken will let his pals know. Join today.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 15, 2019 17:37:19 GMT
I do fear that if GC does walk, it could get v toxic towards WAQ. I don’t see it myself. Rovers fans are and always have been completely passive. Yeah we like to wait until the incident has happened before kicking off.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 15, 2019 17:48:31 GMT
I don’t understand why it would get toxic towards the owners?
No one can make GC stay if he doesn’t want to be here. If he feels it’s better for him to be employed by someone else then he should go.
What I don’t understand is why he would say what he did knowing that another club were in for him. What that has done has made his position completely untenable. How can he possibly demand honesty, commitment, fight and determination for the badge of BRFC when he hasn’t got it in him himself?
Personally I don’t want a manager that isn’t committed to our cause and who’s head will he turned at the slightest interest. When Plymouth were sniffing in the summer and his odds were shortening, he hardly came out and nailed his colours to the mast then either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 17:54:23 GMT
I don’t understand why it would get toxic towards the owners? No one can make GC stay if he doesn’t want to be here. If he feels it’s better for him to be employed by someone else then he should go. What I don’t understand is why he would say what he did knowing that another club were in for him. What that has done has made his position completely untenable. How can he possibly demand honesty, commitment, fight and determination for the badge of BRFC when he hasn’t got it in him himself? Personally I don’t want a manager that isn’t committed to our cause and who’s head will he turned at the slightest interest. When Plymouth were sniffing in the summer and his odds were shortening, he hardly came out and nailed his colours to the mast then either. Perhaps this may be seen by fans as the ‘final straw’? Months of silence and no tangible sign of progress off the field and now a manager (who has taken us to a position in the league most could never have dreamed of 12 months ago) saying he can take us no further two weeks short of a new transfer window opening.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 18:11:41 GMT
I don’t understand why it would get toxic towards the owners? No one can make GC stay if he doesn’t want to be here. If he feels it’s better for him to be employed by someone else then he should go. What I don’t understand is why he would say what he did knowing that another club were in for him. What that has done has made his position completely untenable. How can he possibly demand honesty, commitment, fight and determination for the badge of BRFC when he hasn’t got it in him himself? Personally I don’t want a manager that isn’t committed to our cause and who’s head will he turned at the slightest interest. When Plymouth were sniffing in the summer and his odds were shortening, he hardly came out and nailed his colours to the mast then either. Perhaps this may be seen by fans as the ‘final straw’? Months of silence and no tangible sign of progress off the field and now a manager (who has taken us to a position in the league most could never have dreamed of 12 months ago) saying he can take us no further two weeks short of a new transfer window opening. Maybe because a bid had been accepted for JCH?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 18:13:11 GMT
Perhaps this may be seen by fans as the ‘final straw’? Months of silence and no tangible sign of progress off the field and now a manager (who has taken us to a position in the league most could never have dreamed of 12 months ago) saying he can take us no further two weeks short of a new transfer window opening. Maybe because a bid had been accepted for JCH? Would not be surprised by that at all.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 15, 2019 18:44:51 GMT
Perhaps this may be seen by fans as the ‘final straw’? Months of silence and no tangible sign of progress off the field and now a manager (who has taken us to a position in the league most could never have dreamed of 12 months ago) saying he can take us no further two weeks short of a new transfer window opening. Maybe because a bid had been accepted for JCH? It’s December and JCH is injured. Again. No one will be bidding on him at the moment. In Jan you want fit strikers not ones who have spent 9 weeks of the season on the treatment table.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 15, 2019 19:11:45 GMT
Maybe because a bid had been accepted for JCH? It’s December and JCH is injured. Again. No one will be bidding on him at the moment. In Jan you want fit strikers not ones who have spent 9 weeks of the season on the treatment table. Is JCH injured or gone on strike? Can anybody really be as injury prone as JCH? At least he won't be joining up with GC at Mansfield! The only way Wael can keep fans on his side is make a decent employment, such as Holloway/Jones or Tisdale, go for the cheap option and drift back to middle table and attendances will plummet even further.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 19:14:48 GMT
I don’t understand why it would get toxic towards the owners? No one can make GC stay if he doesn’t want to be here. If he feels it’s better for him to be employed by someone else then he should go. What I don’t understand is why he would say what he did knowing that another club were in for him. What that has done has made his position completely untenable. How can he possibly demand honesty, commitment, fight and determination for the badge of BRFC when he hasn’t got it in him himself? Personally I don’t want a manager that isn’t committed to our cause and who’s head will he turned at the slightest interest. When Plymouth were sniffing in the summer and his odds were shortening, he hardly came out and nailed his colours to the mast then either. I posted the link to his comments on Reilly in the other thread. Banging on about “if people don’t want to be on the bus then they can get off’ etc. The bloke is a total hypocrite. I’d forgotten about that Plymouth stuff and you’re right he cultivated that speculation to the point where it seemed like he would leave so he’s got previous. As you say, he drilled a hole in the bottom of his own boat with those comments and made his position untenable before Mansfield came in for him. An absolute chancer.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 15, 2019 19:20:06 GMT
I don’t understand why it would get toxic towards the owners? No one can make GC stay if he doesn’t want to be here. If he feels it’s better for him to be employed by someone else then he should go. What I don’t understand is why he would say what he did knowing that another club were in for him. What that has done has made his position completely untenable. How can he possibly demand honesty, commitment, fight and determination for the badge of BRFC when he hasn’t got it in him himself? Personally I don’t want a manager that isn’t committed to our cause and who’s head will he turned at the slightest interest. When Plymouth were sniffing in the summer and his odds were shortening, he hardly came out and nailed his colours to the mast then either. I posted the link to his comments on Reilly in the other thread. Banging on about “if people don’t want to be on the bus then they can get off’ etc. The bloke is a total hypocrite. I’d forgotten about that Plymouth stuff and you’re right he cultivated that speculation to the point where it seemed like he would leave so he’s got previous. As you say, he drilled a hole in the bottom of his own boat with those comments and made his position untenable before Mansfield came in for him. An absolute chancer. GC must have set a new Rovers record the most hated successful manager in our history? Usually we dislike unsuccessful managers! Mansfield have also shot up the most disliked club table.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 19:35:32 GMT
I don’t understand why it would get toxic towards the owners? No one can make GC stay if he doesn’t want to be here. If he feels it’s better for him to be employed by someone else then he should go. What I don’t understand is why he would say what he did knowing that another club were in for him. What that has done has made his position completely untenable. How can he possibly demand honesty, commitment, fight and determination for the badge of BRFC when he hasn’t got it in him himself? Personally I don’t want a manager that isn’t committed to our cause and who’s head will he turned at the slightest interest. When Plymouth were sniffing in the summer and his odds were shortening, he hardly came out and nailed his colours to the mast then either. Perhaps this may be seen by fans as the ‘final straw’? Months of silence and no tangible sign of progress off the field and now a manager (who has taken us to a position in the league most could never have dreamed of 12 months ago) saying he can take us no further two weeks short of a new transfer window opening. That's the crux of it Eric. GC has been told there's nothing in the pot to bring in players for a real go at promotion. It's quite clear that Wael and co are not owners prepared to gift money to the club to get around the ffp rules as it would appear our massive losses attributable to DC and the family have been merely set off against the very limited assets of the club. If I for one was skint and on the bones of my ass and owned a field in South Gloucestershire I would sell the bloody thing off!
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