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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 22:03:54 GMT
IMO Rovers is currently in terminal free fall; Ben Garner who comes across as a very plausible & decent chap, but has NO experience of managing a EFL club, what logic says the decision to put him in-charge makes a morsel of sense ?, o ye I get the owner wants the pain for us supporters to get even worse. Great decision Waq, doh. Frank Lampard at Derby plenty have started from that situation I think BG will be a success, let's see where we are in a years time, preferred him to journeyman appointments. He has experience of developing talent and as we have no cash to spend it is the only way we can develop and go forward. I could not stand the way we set up under GC it was so boring, yes we won games but it was dreadful to watch. I agree with this. We have no money so the development of our own players is key. We have some promising youngsters at the club at the moment and Ben Garner has experience in developing that talent. Couple this with Tom Widdrington's generally decent record in unearthing cheap signings and we just might have an ideal combination. We all want our team to win, but football is also an entertainment. Graham Coughlan, for all his excellent work in restablising us after the blip of the start of last season and his progress this time out, showed no signs of acknowledging this point. For some reason, the view on this forum of late is that good football cannot produce good results, which when you think about that, makes no sense at all. What we do need for it to produce good results though, is good players. Actually, that's unfair - we have good players already, but we need a different blend of players, with the addition of some with greater technical ability and, crucially, pace. That will take a few windows, but if he gets it right, it will be worth the wait. None of us know if he will be a success yet, but 3 games in is surely not the time to judge. |
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Post by Squiffy on Jan 4, 2020 12:29:24 GMT
FWIW I think this could turn out to be an even better appointment than DC at this stage in BRFC’s development because our last few managers have not had recent experience at Championship level or above, if at all. GC had been in or around League 1 for a decade so knew what would work, and DC at levels below, but if we truly want to get into the Championship and stay there then we need someone who knows what it’s about. In all walks of life and business you appoint professionals with qualifications appropriate to the task in hand. And yes I know BG doesn’t have managerial experience but he ticks all the other boxes and in theory should be better connected to the calibre of players we need, even if they are surplus to requirements at their parent clubs.
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Post by pirate49 on Jan 4, 2020 13:01:08 GMT
FWIW I think this could turn out to be an even better appointment than DC at this stage in BRFC’s development because our last few managers have not had recent experience at Championship level or above, if at all. GC had been in or around League 1 for a decade so knew what would work, and DC at levels below, but if we truly want to get into the Championship and stay there then we need someone who knows what it’s about. In all walks of life and business you appoint professionals with qualifications appropriate to the task in hand. And yes I know BG doesn’t have managerial experience but he ticks all the other boxes and in theory should be better connected to the calibre of players we need, even if they are surplus to requirements at their parent clubs. It's not just the lack of managerial experience though. It's also the total lack of playing experience (unlike, say, Lampard) and no coaching with a league team since 2017. We haven't seen a 'new manager bounce', nor matches turn around after a half-time team talk. In many ways it's a strange appointment. Many days ago I said that it was 'prompt, bold and interesting'. True, but imagine the thoughts going through the heads of seasoned pros like Mansell or Craig when BG says how he wants things done. A very cynical person, with no evidence whatsoever, could say that BG would be easy to discard if new owners came in with their own idea of who to have as manager!  |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 4, 2020 13:23:58 GMT
BG now suggesting it will be two steps backwards and blips on the road, I bet that's music to Wael's ears as he doesn't have to now worry about how we'll cope in the Championship next season.
Why couldn't we just have a good go at reaching the Play Offs this season rather than start all over again?
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Post by baggins on Jan 4, 2020 13:26:03 GMT
BG now suggesting it will be two steps backwards and blips on the road, I bet that's music to Wael's ears as he doesn't have to now worry about how we'll cope in the Championship next season. Why couldn't we just have a good go at reaching the Play Offs this season rather than start all over again? You honestly think Wael doesn't want us to be in the Championship? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 4, 2020 13:28:18 GMT
IMO Rovers is currently in terminal free fall; Ben Garner who comes across as a very plausible & decent chap, but has NO experience of managing a EFL club, what logic says the decision to put him in-charge makes a morsel of sense ?, o ye I get the owner wants the pain for us supporters to get even worse. Great decision Waq, doh. Frank Lampard at Derby plenty have started from that situation I think BG will be a success, let's see where we are in a years time, preferred him to journeyman appointments. He has experience of developing talent and as we have no cash to spend it is the only way we can develop and go forward. I could not stand the way we set up under GC it was so boring, yes we won games but it was dreadful to watch. So what was the best result for you recently, snatching a win at Plymouth or getting hammered at MK Dons? What do you want to see tomorrow, Rovers try and out play Coventry and lose or give them a good battle and win? I just can't see BG will be given the budget to compete with top 10 team on footballing terms. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 4, 2020 13:37:31 GMT
Yes. I don’t follow all the ground thread stuff but it seems to be that owners are looking for something perfect. Had they had a plan to develop the Mem stand by stand we’d be half way or even more through the development. As it is they continue to delay hoping for something that probably won’t happen. But in the end I guess the AQs don’t/won’t spend to do that. But this is developing into the other thread so I’ll stop there.😉 UTG! I can't remember why, nor do I follow the ground thread like you, but why haven't we tried to redevelop the Mem? Wouldn't be that difficult to add capacity to it, surely? Not the nicest area in terms of accommodating 10,000+ people I suppose (parking-wise) but still. It’s an odd one as we were first told that the mem would be redeveloped but piece by piece and, while I’m writing this it makes me wonder if closing the west side of the ground is maybe some kind of experiment for this ? On the other hand, the last time we heard from the club , on this topic, it was said the mem wasn’t an option. Your guess really is as good as anyone else’s |
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Post by baggins on Jan 4, 2020 13:39:29 GMT
Frank Lampard at Derby plenty have started from that situation I think BG will be a success, let's see where we are in a years time, preferred him to journeyman appointments. He has experience of developing talent and as we have no cash to spend it is the only way we can develop and go forward. I could not stand the way we set up under GC it was so boring, yes we won games but it was dreadful to watch. So what was the best result for you recently, snatching a win at Plymouth or getting hammered at MK Dons? What do you want to see tomorrow, Rovers try and out play Coventry and lose or give them a good battle and win? I just can't see BG will be given the budget to compete with top 10 team on footballing terms. A Rovers win. And despite lack of budget, we're still 8th. With a game in hand on 3? |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 4, 2020 13:40:52 GMT
Knock down the east stand and build a massive stand all the way down that side and there you have it 20,000 capacity stadium. Thing is our board won’t do it. But no Rovers board has ever been prepared to do it as it's never been viable once we've got pp. it was viable and it was opal who pulled out, due to the global financial stuff. Those student flats would have been in big demand now but that is history. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 4, 2020 13:45:01 GMT
Coughlan had no experience managing a league 1 club and he pretty well. Same DC Pure luck. They must have sold their souls to the devil. 😁 At the crossroads of Filton ave - Muller Road 😉 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 13:45:48 GMT
Frank Lampard at Derby plenty have started from that situation I think BG will be a success, let's see where we are in a years time, preferred him to journeyman appointments. He has experience of developing talent and as we have no cash to spend it is the only way we can develop and go forward. I could not stand the way we set up under GC it was so boring, yes we won games but it was dreadful to watch. So what was the best result for you recently, snatching a win at Plymouth or getting hammered at MK Dons? What do you want to see tomorrow, Rovers try and out play Coventry and lose or give them a good battle and win? I just can't see BG will be given the budget to compete with top 10 team on footballing terms. To be fair, GC had nothing to do with winning at Plymouth. Anyway, why does trying to play good football necessarily equal losing, and battling football equal winning. Good football can and usually does win games, although I concede that we need to alter the make up of the squad to make us more effective at that. |
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Post by baggins on Jan 4, 2020 13:46:05 GMT
20k would be about right. Knock down the east stand and build a massive stand all the way down that side and there you have it 20,000 capacity stadium. Thing is our board won’t do it. Won't, or can't? Planning permission died years ago, and it wasn't achievable then. And I'm not sure building a new East Stand would take us up to 20k anyway. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 4, 2020 13:57:16 GMT
I can't remember why, nor do I follow the ground thread like you, but why haven't we tried to redevelop the Mem? Wouldn't be that difficult to add capacity to it, surely? Not the nicest area in terms of accommodating 10,000+ people I suppose (parking-wise) but still. It’s an odd one as we were first told that the mem would be redeveloped but piece by piece and, while I’m writing this it makes me wonder if closing the west side of the ground is maybe some kind of experiment for this ? On the other hand, the last time we heard from the club , on this topic, it was said the mem wasn’t an option. Your guess really is as good as anyone else’s In other words KP no one has a clue not even our owners.😉 Oh well let’s hope for a good cup run at least. UTG! |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 4, 2020 14:00:50 GMT
It’s an odd one as we were first told that the mem would be redeveloped but piece by piece and, while I’m writing this it makes me wonder if closing the west side of the ground is maybe some kind of experiment for this ? On the other hand, the last time we heard from the club , on this topic, it was said the mem wasn’t an option. Your guess really is as good as anyone else’s In other words KP no one has a clue not even our owners.😉 Oh well let’s hope for a good cup run at least. UTG! Yes indeed. It does take a lot of the heat off of us probing into other matters if we do well on the pitch. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 4, 2020 14:54:25 GMT
BG now suggesting it will be two steps backwards and blips on the road, I bet that's music to Wael's ears as he doesn't have to now worry about how we'll cope in the Championship next season. Why couldn't we just have a good go at reaching the Play Offs this season rather than start all over again? You honestly think Wael doesn't want us to be in the Championship? Yes, not whilst we're at the Mem, it's fairly obvious now it's not viable or Wael would have pulled out all the stops to keep GC, or appoint a manager with a similar approach. Its clear BG is more interested in playing football "his way" than going all out for a top 6 finish. I just hope Wael is prepared to back him in the transfer market this January, unlike it seemed he wanted to back GC in the summer. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 4, 2020 15:02:19 GMT
So what was the best result for you recently, snatching a win at Plymouth or getting hammered at MK Dons? What do you want to see tomorrow, Rovers try and out play Coventry and lose or give them a good battle and win? I just can't see BG will be given the budget to compete with top 10 team on footballing terms. To be fair, GC had nothing to do with winning at Plymouth. Anyway, why does trying to play good football necessarily equal losing, and battling football equal winning. Good football can and usually does win games, although I concede that we need to alter the make up of the squad to make us more effective at that. I can't honestly remember a time when we've played "good football" and been successful probably under Holloway. We just can't seem to attract "footballers" to the club anymore, our only decent centre mid for the last decade has been Lines. Regardless to go from GC's football to a passing game is going to take a complete overall of the club, just when we were in contention for a play off, or better, come May. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 4, 2020 15:02:58 GMT
You honestly think Wael doesn't want us to be in the Championship? Yes, not whilst we're at the Mem, it's fairly obvious now it's not viable or Wael would have pulled out all the stops to keep GC, or appoint a manager with a similar approach. Its clear BG is more interested in playing football "his way" than going all out for a top 6 finish. I just hope Wael is prepared to back him in the transfer market this January, unlike it seemed he wanted to back GC in the summer. How can anything be clear after such a short time ? The players have been, by and large, played in the same formation but just not been performing as they did. I’d imagine that even if you were right, the players would want to be playing in a higher level |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 4, 2020 15:16:52 GMT
To be fair, GC had nothing to do with winning at Plymouth. Anyway, why does trying to play good football necessarily equal losing, and battling football equal winning. Good football can and usually does win games, although I concede that we need to alter the make up of the squad to make us more effective at that. I can't honestly remember a time when we've played "good football" and been successful probably under Holloway. We just can't seem to attract "footballers" to the club anymore, our only decent centre mid for the last decade has been Lines. Regardless to go from GC's football to a passing game is going to take a complete overall of the club, just when we were in contention for a play off, or better, come May. I would say we did play some really good passing football under DC in L2 and the first season back in L1. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 4, 2020 15:35:17 GMT
Yes, not whilst we're at the Mem, it's fairly obvious now it's not viable or Wael would have pulled out all the stops to keep GC, or appoint a manager with a similar approach. Its clear BG is more interested in playing football "his way" than going all out for a top 6 finish. I just hope Wael is prepared to back him in the transfer market this January, unlike it seemed he wanted to back GC in the summer. How can anything be clear after such a short time ? The players have been, by and large, played in the same formation but just not been performing as they did. I’d imagine that even if you were right, the players would want to be playing in a higher level Just listen to BG's latest interview when he talks about "two steps backwards" and he can take the flack from supporters whilst he makes the changes he believes in, he clearly intends changing the way we play straight away. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 4, 2020 15:37:42 GMT
How can anything be clear after such a short time ? The players have been, by and large, played in the same formation but just not been performing as they did. I’d imagine that even if you were right, the players would want to be playing in a higher level Just listen to BG's latest interview when he talks about "two steps backwards" and he can take the flack from supporters whilst he makes the changes he believes in, he clearly intends changing the way we play straight away. Did sound that way, which is different to what he said the day he was appointed. |
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