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Post by completewingback on Jan 2, 2020 21:41:32 GMT
This is hardly new, is it? DC, one of our best - arguably THE best - managers ever, was being slagged off after losing a couple in the Conference. GC - whom many on here miss - was also being slagged off for losing a few after DC left. Now it's Ben's turn to face the music of our ever-fair fanbase until he - hopefully - starts winning some games.
The only thing that doesn't change is how flip-floppy people can be. Sometimes I wonder how we didn't end up like the teams here in Brazil, with 3-4 managers a year depending on how bad things are, firing and hiring like crazy
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Post by madgas on Jan 2, 2020 21:47:16 GMT
Agree-ish with the above.
It's an unfortunate sign of the times. Too many fans admire DT and the likes of AFTV. Strong instant opinions get likes and retweets and people feel some worth.
I'll reserve judgement as in my opinion the team was stagnating before Garner arrived. 1 dimensional attack needs to change.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jan 3, 2020 9:49:01 GMT
The fans were quiet because from minute 1 it was very very obvious that we were out of our depth and the team really didn't give the fans much to get excited about. On the subject of the fans, I make a particular point of watching the reaction of the players at the full time whistle given the circumstances.... Most gave a very half hearted look over to the fans and clapped us, but the one who stood out was JCH... The very millisecond the whistle blew he stomped off down the tunnel very clearly unhappy. That is not on at all! To be honest, his attitude stunk for the whole game and he looked like a man who would rather be somewhere else in my opinion. Any offers of £1.5M or above and we need to get rid IMO. That is of course assuming that at least 50% of that is then reinvested in the squad...... i agree with your assessment of JCH, he really looked like he didn’t want to be out there, but the atmosphere was dead from the minute I walked into the stadium, absolutely no chanting whatsoever. I shan’t be rushing back to that ground! Weird wasn't it?? Reminded me of Cov away a couple of seasons ago.. Lovely big ground, but if you can only fill a quarter of it what is the point?! A warning sign to those who would have us build a 25,000 plus stadium perhaps...
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 3, 2020 10:21:56 GMT
i agree with your assessment of JCH, he really looked like he didn’t want to be out there, but the atmosphere was dead from the minute I walked into the stadium, absolutely no chanting whatsoever. I shan’t be rushing back to that ground! Weird wasn't it?? Reminded me of Cov away a couple of seasons ago.. Lovely big ground, but if you can only fill a quarter of it what is the point?! A warning sign to those who would have us build a 25,000 plus stadium perhaps...
Saying that, Brighton were getting similar crowds to us less than 10 years ago
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Post by pirate on Jan 3, 2020 10:41:26 GMT
i agree with your assessment of JCH, he really looked like he didn’t want to be out there, but the atmosphere was dead from the minute I walked into the stadium, absolutely no chanting whatsoever. I shan’t be rushing back to that ground! Weird wasn't it?? Reminded me of Cov away a couple of seasons ago.. Lovely big ground, but if you can only fill a quarter of it what is the point?! A warning sign to those who would have us build a 25,000 plus stadium perhaps... Need that sort of stadium if we want to progress.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 3, 2020 10:49:33 GMT
Weird wasn't it?? Reminded me of Cov away a couple of seasons ago.. Lovely big ground, but if you can only fill a quarter of it what is the point?! A warning sign to those who would have us build a 25,000 plus stadium perhaps... Need that sort of stadium if we want to progress. Do we though or would a 15K/18K stadium suit our needs, isn't Brentford's new stadium only that size? Nothing can be worse than playing in a half filled all seat stadium, plus I assume running a stadium twice as big as required must be costly? Back to the manager, 6 months ago GC was getting abuse at the Coventry away game and seem idiot even abused his daughter on social media.
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Post by pirate on Jan 3, 2020 10:55:47 GMT
Need that sort of stadium if we want to progress. Do we though or would a 15K/18K stadium suit our needs, isn't Brentford's new stadium only that size? Nothing can be worse than playing in a half filled all seat stadium, plus I assume running a stadium twice as big as required must be costly? Back to the manager, 6 months ago GC was getting abuse at the Coventry away game and seem idiot even abused his daughter on social media. 20k would be about right.
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Post by neilv93 on Jan 3, 2020 12:02:01 GMT
Need that sort of stadium if we want to progress. Do we though or would a 15K/18K stadium suit our needs, isn't Brentford's new stadium only that size? Nothing can be worse than playing in a half filled all seat stadium, plus I assume running a stadium twice as big as required must be costly? Back to the manager, 6 months ago GC was getting abuse at the Coventry away game and seem idiot even abused his daughter on social media. This is why the UWE project would've been perfect - 21,700 with the potential to rise to 35,000 (or 45,000, I can't remember) over time. That'd be the size I'd be aiming for in future with potential new ground options.
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Post by socrates on Jan 3, 2020 12:19:16 GMT
Do we though or would a 15K/18K stadium suit our needs, isn't Brentford's new stadium only that size? Nothing can be worse than playing in a half filled all seat stadium, plus I assume running a stadium twice as big as required must be costly? Back to the manager, 6 months ago GC was getting abuse at the Coventry away game and seem idiot even abused his daughter on social media. 20k would be about right. Knock down the east stand and build a massive stand all the way down that side and there you have it 20,000 capacity stadium. Thing is our board won’t do it.
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 3, 2020 12:25:44 GMT
20k would be about right. Knock down the east stand and build a massive stand all the way down that side and there you have it 20,000 capacity stadium. Thing is our board won’t do it. Yes. I don’t follow all the ground thread stuff but it seems to be that owners are looking for something perfect. Had they had a plan to develop the Mem stand by stand we’d be half way or even more through the development. As it is they continue to delay hoping for something that probably won’t happen. But in the end I guess the AQs don’t/won’t spend to do that. But this is developing into the other thread so I’ll stop there.😉 UTG!
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Post by neilv93 on Jan 3, 2020 13:02:47 GMT
Knock down the east stand and build a massive stand all the way down that side and there you have it 20,000 capacity stadium. Thing is our board won’t do it. Yes. I don’t follow all the ground thread stuff but it seems to be that owners are looking for something perfect. Had they had a plan to develop the Mem stand by stand we’d be half way or even more through the development. As it is they continue to delay hoping for something that probably won’t happen. But in the end I guess the AQs don’t/won’t spend to do that. But this is developing into the other thread so I’ll stop there.😉 UTG! I can't remember why, nor do I follow the ground thread like you, but why haven't we tried to redevelop the Mem? Wouldn't be that difficult to add capacity to it, surely? Not the nicest area in terms of accommodating 10,000+ people I suppose (parking-wise) but still.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 3, 2020 13:05:40 GMT
20k would be about right. Knock down the east stand and build a massive stand all the way down that side and there you have it 20,000 capacity stadium. Thing is our board won’t do it. But no Rovers board has ever been prepared to do it as it's never been viable once we've got pp.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jan 3, 2020 13:35:45 GMT
20k would be about right. Knock down the east stand and build a massive stand all the way down that side and there you have it 20,000 capacity stadium. Thing is our board won’t do it. I have long maintained that this is our best and most practical solution. Knock down the entire East stand / terrace and build a new two tiered stand with ample exec boxes, exhibition space below, a new shop and several new bars etc.. Really make that stand that commercial hub of the club. If we wanted to go a step further and turn our current laughing stock of a ground into something respectable, then a small and very basic (yet permanent!) all seater stand to replace the East tent would make a hell of a difference imo.. And if we REALLY wanted to push the boat out, I would be inclined to knock down the cricket pavilion west stand as well! Rebuild with something fairly basic but uniform with the rest of the ground.. Will never happen of course, but there you go!
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jan 3, 2020 14:33:13 GMT
IMO Rovers is currently in terminal free fall; Ben Garner who comes across as a very plausible & decent chap, but has NO experience of managing a EFL club, what logic says the decision to put him in-charge makes a morsel of sense ?, o ye I get the owner wants the pain for us supporters to get even worse. Great decision Waq, doh.
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Post by socrates on Jan 3, 2020 14:41:50 GMT
IMO Rovers is currently in terminal free fall; Ben Garner who comes across as a very plausible & decent chap, but has NO experience of managing a EFL club, what logic says the decision to put him in-charge makes a morsel of sense ?, o ye I get the owner wants the pain for us supporters to get even worse. Great decision Waq, doh. Coughlan had no experience managing a league 1 club and he did pretty well. Same DC
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Post by Marshy on Jan 3, 2020 14:50:57 GMT
IMO Rovers is currently in terminal free fall; Ben Garner who comes across as a very plausible & decent chap, but has NO experience of managing a EFL club, what logic says the decision to put him in-charge makes a morsel of sense ?, o ye I get the owner wants the pain for us supporters to get even worse. Great decision Waq, doh. Coughlan had no experience managing a league 1 club and he pretty well. Same DC Pure luck. They must have sold their souls to the devil. 😁
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 3, 2020 15:57:47 GMT
Knock down the east stand and build a massive stand all the way down that side and there you have it 20,000 capacity stadium. Thing is our board won’t do it. But no Rovers board has ever been prepared to do it as it's never been viable once we've got pp. You may be right but when it comes down to it what does “viable” mean? In a residential area if we get pp then that’s a major hurdle overcome. Do you mean “viable” in terms of income generating which is non-football? It’s pretty close to M4 and M32 and business areas. I sometimes wonder when people say it’s not “viable” (and this isn’t a dig at you Topper, I think you’re just repeating what owners have said) they just want everything about the ground to be perfect. It’s never going to be perfect and a redeveloped Mem had it started years ago, would have us in a much better position than we are. Perhaps. 😉 UTG! edit: apologies mods probably not the place for this conversation.
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 3, 2020 16:06:14 GMT
MK Dons was a fine example of what you need in a ground to make it a 7 day a week viable proposition. The parking situation around the Mem renders it struggling when there is a 10,000 crowd let alone 15-20,000.It is totally a non starter.
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Post by keygas on Jan 3, 2020 17:09:59 GMT
MK Dons was a fine example of what you need in a ground to make it a 7 day a week viable proposition. The parking situation around the Mem renders it struggling when there is a 10,000 crowd let alone 15-20,000.It is totally a non starter. If a proper transport plan could be put in place a redeveloped Mem should be able to cope with increased attendances. Bristol sport with a 27000 capacity stadium & very little parking are coping by using the Brislington & portway park & rides for football & rugby games and now have added a bus route from Whitchurch/ Hartcliffe on match days , so there’s no reason why we couldn’t do similar from surrounding areas of north & east Bristol. Even Anfield which holds 54000 & apart from one small car park in Stanley park manages to cope so 18-20 thousand stadium at the Mem shouldn’t be a major traffic problem but it would need a proper transport plan & possibly a residential parking area around the stadium.
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 3, 2020 21:26:38 GMT
IMO Rovers is currently in terminal free fall; Ben Garner who comes across as a very plausible & decent chap, but has NO experience of managing a EFL club, what logic says the decision to put him in-charge makes a morsel of sense ?, o ye I get the owner wants the pain for us supporters to get even worse. Great decision Waq, doh. Frank Lampard at Derby plenty have started from that situation I think BG will be a success, let's see where we are in a years time, preferred him to journeyman appointments. He has experience of developing talent and as we have no cash to spend it is the only way we can develop and go forward. I could not stand the way we set up under GC it was so boring, yes we won games but it was dreadful to watch.
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