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Post by socrates on Jan 25, 2020 21:04:46 GMT
We need to adopt a 442 formation but can only do this with the two best fit full backs which unfortunately are never fit! I like Rodman and Leahy but cant see them playing much after the two loanes we've brought in. Definitely need two up top and I think if we dont see two new strikers come in next week then ist JCH up top on his own for the remainder of the season. Garner only knows how to play 4-3-2-1 or 5-2-2-1 as he's played that in every game, for all his badges he's a total one trick pony. Time will tell. We need to give him time. obviously loads haven’t judging by our attendance today but realistically this manager needs time as he’s clearly ripped up everything we were doing and started again. If your going to appoint a new manager with completely different ideas to the last manager then don’t expect results straight away. Frustrating as it is.
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Post by althepirate on Jan 25, 2020 21:12:20 GMT
Tom is still the second best striker at the club imo. Who can name a better one? Also I think JCH has lost another partner in GC. I'm beginning to wonder if he knew how to get the best out of JCH not sure he's been on his game since GC's departure.
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Post by onedaygas83 on Jan 25, 2020 21:17:02 GMT
I think James Vaughan currently at Bradford could work alongside JCH? Not prolific but offers a target man option?
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Post by socrates on Jan 25, 2020 21:19:28 GMT
Tom is still the second best striker at the club imo. Who can name a better one? Also I think JCH has lost another partner in GC. I'm beginning to wonder if he knew how to get the best out of JCH not sure he's been on his game since GC's departure. Yeah I think your right Al he’s lost his favourite manager and best forward partner. Everything about Johnson’s past suggests we’re left with an average league 1 striker at best now the two catalysts for his amazing 12 months form have gone. It’s up to Garner to either find him a new strike partner or turn him in to a forward who can play up top on his own. Or sell him and replace him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 21:59:34 GMT
It’s a combination of the two. JCH can’t play on his own up top. We can all see that. Ok So he has to play up top with someone ? Ok Maybe go with the player who he was partnered with when he was banging them in ? Footballs a simple game often complicated by people with too many badges. He wasn't banging then in against Plymouth, posh, Wimbledon Fleetwood; Nichols played all those games. If dropping Nichols had been the only change there might be a point but it isn't so there isn't. With respect the entire team isn’t banging in the goals now. Nichols not being part of this shitshow under Garner is in danger of enhancing his reputation.
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Post by socrates on Jan 25, 2020 22:15:58 GMT
He wasn't banging then in against Plymouth, posh, Wimbledon Fleetwood; Nichols played all those games. If dropping Nichols had been the only change there might be a point but it isn't so there isn't. With respect the entire team isn’t banging in the goals now. Nichols not being part of this shitshow under Garner is in danger of enhancing his reputation. Many away fans have come away from the Mem over the last 12 months saying that Nichols is our best player after we’ve beaten them. and then this place on the same day has been full of people saying he didn’t score again we need to get rid. The lack of goals has understandably caused a general feeling amongst Gasheads that he’s sh**e.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 22:44:14 GMT
With respect the entire team isn’t banging in the goals now. Nichols not being part of this shitshow under Garner is in danger of enhancing his reputation. Many away fans have come away from the Mem over the last 12 months saying that Nichols is our best player after we’ve beaten them. and then this place on the same day has been full of people saying he didn’t score again we need to get rid. The lack of goals has understandably caused a general feeling amongst Gasheads that he’s sh**e. It was illuminating reading that book on how scouts assess players. Clubs are more and more these days buying into the so-called Heskey effect and when you are wheeling and dealing it’s less about how many goals a striker scored and more his overall effect on the team- ie is everyone else scoring and is the team winning games? Which actually makes total sense but we can all still become a bit too focused on the goal return. I don’t have any particular love for Nichols and would not be offering him a new contract but he certainly was on the pitch at the very least for our good run if not heavily involved. I couldn’t blame Nichols for having a wry smile the past few weeks having been taken out of the team, told he’s not wanted and then watching us lurch from crisis to crisis probably being chuffed that he can’t be given the blame for it.
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Post by LJG on Jan 25, 2020 22:53:50 GMT
He wasn't banging then in against Plymouth, posh, Wimbledon Fleetwood; Nichols played all those games. If dropping Nichols had been the only change there might be a point but it isn't so there isn't. We beat Plymouth, played probably our best home performance v Posh this season, Nichols hit the bar v Fleetwood and we'd have probably have beaten Wimbledon if BG hadn't subbed JCH off at 1-0! I think you've just proved beyond doubt that Garner hasn't clue, or being paid by Pantsdown to wreck our play off/promotion push!! GC did the right thing when he loaned out Reilly to Cheltenham, who promptly sent him back as he wasn't deemed good enough as soon as they had chance! You've hit the reply button but you're not really responding to anything I've said. The point made was JCH scores goals with Nichols beside him. I pointed out that hasn't been true since Coughlan left. Like I said - if Nichols being dropped was the only change there might be a point. It's not. There have been other personel and tactical changes. Oh and by the way if we're doing "Cheltenham were right to send Reilly back". What have you got to say about our most naturally gifted player being told he's free to leave and still being here? No other clubs are interested in the most naturally gifted player we have? Why do you think that might be?
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Post by LJG on Jan 25, 2020 22:57:13 GMT
With respect the entire team isn’t banging in the goals now. Nichols not being part of this shitshow under Garner is in danger of enhancing his reputation. Many away fans have come away from the Mem over the last 12 months saying that Nichols is our best player after we’ve beaten them. and then this place on the same day has been full of people saying he didn’t score again we need to get rid. The lack of goals has understandably caused a general feeling amongst Gasheads that he’s sh**e. 2 goals and 2 assists. Our best player. Brainwashed.
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Post by socrates on Jan 25, 2020 23:00:38 GMT
We beat Plymouth, played probably our best home performance v Posh this season, Nichols hit the bar v Fleetwood and we'd have probably have beaten Wimbledon if BG hadn't subbed JCH off at 1-0! I think you've just proved beyond doubt that Garner hasn't clue, or being paid by Pantsdown to wreck our play off/promotion push!! GC did the right thing when he loaned out Reilly to Cheltenham, who promptly sent him back as he wasn't deemed good enough as soon as they had chance! You've hit the reply button but you're not really responding to anything I've said. The point made was JCH scores goals with Nichols beside him. I pointed out that hasn't been true since Coughlan left. Like I said - if Nichols being dropped was the only change there might be a point. It's not. There have been other personel and tactical changes. Oh and by the way if we're doing "Cheltenham were right to send Reilly back". What have you got to say about our most naturally gifted player being told he's free to leave and still being here? No other clubs are interested in the most naturally gifted player we have? Why do you think that might be? I personally don’t think Nichols is our most naturally gifted player , to be honest I don’t even know what that means. He has without doubt been Johnson Clarke - Harris best strike partner in JCH s career though. JCH had done very little in his career until paired with Nichols then became prolific for a year and has done very little since Nichols was dropped. There are other factors no doubt but it’s hard to argue with the point I’m making surely ?
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Post by socrates on Jan 25, 2020 23:02:06 GMT
Many away fans have come away from the Mem over the last 12 months saying that Nichols is our best player after we’ve beaten them. and then this place on the same day has been full of people saying he didn’t score again we need to get rid. The lack of goals has understandably caused a general feeling amongst Gasheads that he’s sh**e. 2 goals and 2 assists. Our best player. Brainwashed. Fans from other clubs brainwashed by a single performance from an opposition player many would not have even seen play before ? Possibly .
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 26, 2020 7:53:24 GMT
Nichols clearly isn't so if Reilly isn't, what difference does it make? About 80-90 games difference!?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 26, 2020 8:25:01 GMT
Tom is still the second least sh** striker at the club imo. Who can name a better one? Also I think JCH has lost another partner in GC. I'm beginning to wonder if he knew how to get the best out of JCH not sure he's been on his game since GC's departure. Fixed that for you. Being better than Reilly doesnt make Nichols a good player.
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Post by madgas on Jan 26, 2020 8:46:28 GMT
Socrates you seem pretty nailed to TN.
Can I ask? Would you give him a new contract.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 26, 2020 9:03:15 GMT
Think the decision on Tom was a bit hasty and should have been left until we found an alternative, as for upfront rovers coaching staff could do a lot worse than show JCH AND CO and the development squad forwards a video of Sheffield United's Billy Sharp in action. He is not a regular starter in the premier league side but when selected gives a master class in centre forward play. Knows where to run to , can hold the ball and play a pass when some one is available, and when to lay it off or go for goal, latest example was yesterday in cup v Millwall, master class! and a great attitude! lets have a whip round and get him on loan! yeah i know only dreaming!!
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Post by socrates on Jan 26, 2020 11:24:17 GMT
Socrates you seem pretty nailed to TN. Can I ask? Would you give him a new contract. Depends if we have better lined up and whether JCH stays. If they both stayed this window I would play them up front together for the rest of the season that is for sure.
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Post by LJG on Jan 26, 2020 12:26:25 GMT
You've hit the reply button but you're not really responding to anything I've said. The point made was JCH scores goals with Nichols beside him. I pointed out that hasn't been true since Coughlan left. Like I said - if Nichols being dropped was the only change there might be a point. It's not. There have been other personel and tactical changes. Oh and by the way if we're doing "Cheltenham were right to send Reilly back". What have you got to say about our most naturally gifted player being told he's free to leave and still being here? No other clubs are interested in the most naturally gifted player we have? Why do you think that might be? I personally don’t think Nichols is our most naturally gifted player , to be honest I don’t even know what that means. He has without doubt been Johnson Clarke - Harris best strike partner in JCH s career though. JCH had done very little in his career until paired with Nichols then became prolific for a year and has done very little since Nichols was dropped. There are other factors no doubt but it’s hard to argue with the point I’m making surely ? But your point is based on the premise that JCH dried up after TN was dropped. That isn't the case. Also, someone did the stats on "we score more with Tom on the pitch" last season. It wasn't true.
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Post by BS6 Gas on Jan 26, 2020 12:43:08 GMT
Have said this on many a forum for a while now. JCH is the problem here. Absolutely no interest in running for a ball, appalling attitude and body language is shocking. Yes he scored some beauties last season but has created nothing since he’s been back from injury. It’s a shame he’s not in form as that would create some other club hopefully coming in for him.. We should all be appreciating players that give their all for the Gas. JCH I’m afraid is not one of them. Drop him at Bolton on Tuesday night would be my preference however it seems Garner may have other ideas.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 26, 2020 14:17:22 GMT
Have said this on many a forum for a while now. JCH is the problem here. Absolutely no interest in running for a ball, appalling attitude and body language is shocking. Yes he scored some beauties last season but has created nothing since he’s been back from injury. It’s a shame he’s not in form as that would create some other club hopefully coming in for him.. We should all be appreciating players that give their all for the Gas. JCH I’m afraid is not one of them. Drop him at Bolton on Tuesday night would be my preference however it seems Garner may have other ideas. You make some very good points and am inclined to agree with you, but what do we do as an alternative?
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Post by glengas on Jan 26, 2020 14:26:19 GMT
I would call Smash and Grab, White and Saunders and Cureton and Roberts partnerships where they both scored goals. You can hardly say that about Nichols and JCH. Too light weight for me with very little goal threat it is time to thank him for his efforts here and move him on. We need another goal scorer in the squad.
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