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Post by LJG on Jan 26, 2020 15:01:41 GMT
Tom is still the second best striker at the club imo. Who can name a better one? Also I think JCH has lost another partner in GC. I'm beginning to wonder if he knew how to get the best out of JCH not sure he's been on his game since GC's departure. The stats name Reilly.
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Post by BS6 Gas on Jan 26, 2020 15:26:30 GMT
Have said this on many a forum for a while now. JCH is the problem here. Absolutely no interest in running for a ball, appalling attitude and body language is shocking. Yes he scored some beauties last season but has created nothing since he’s been back from injury. It’s a shame he’s not in form as that would create some other club hopefully coming in for him.. We should all be appreciating players that give their all for the Gas. JCH I’m afraid is not one of them. Drop him at Bolton on Tuesday night would be my preference however it seems Garner may have other ideas. You make some very good points and am inclined to agree with you, but what do we do as an alternative? I’d put Mayanaise up front with Riley. I see Rollin as the new Gareth Taylor
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jan 26, 2020 15:37:43 GMT
I’d put Mayanaise up front with Riley. I see Rollin as the new Gareth Taylor Put 'Mayanaise' up front, or just DIP into the transfer market! 😋
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 26, 2020 17:08:14 GMT
hope Mayo aint the new Gareth Taylor, couldn't hit a barn door from a yard out at Wembley!, don't know if you were joking but it could work, he's a good footballer and though he is prone to make mistakes they are not as likely to be so costly up front, stranger things have happened!
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Post by wilmslowgas on Jan 26, 2020 17:19:50 GMT
Are we that desperate? Rollin as the next Gareth Taylor? You are really having a laugh!
Rollin is still learning his trade as a defender. With the right coaching, experience and development he can turn into a very good L1 defender - perhaps even better. Don't burden him with the prospects of being able he next striking genius at Rovers.
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Post by lpgas on Jan 26, 2020 18:34:44 GMT
Rodman, has a good shot, good control, and can head the ball. Plus 8 out 10 for his dive yesterday, surely he is the man
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Post by wilmslowgas on Jan 26, 2020 22:40:17 GMT
Rodman is certainly a better internal option than Rollin!
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Post by I Voted For Kodos on Jan 28, 2020 12:52:28 GMT
I Voted For Kodos anyway you can get stats of results with/without TN? Would be interesting to see, as that is ultimately what matters, not his goal scoring record individually. I expect will take too long so don't worry if not. So, I've looked into this. Firstly, I've limited to just league starts and ignored cups/sub appearances. Also, it is worth bearing in mind that all of the numbers are based on aggregated opinions. Maybe it isn't too scientific, but wisdom of crowds and all that. These are the average ratings since Clarke-Harris' debut away at Southend last season.
| Overall average | Both Starting | Only one starting | Clarke-Harris | 6.50 | 7.00 | 6.01 | Nichols | 5.39 | 5.61 | 4.98 | Starting XI | 6.24 | 6.26 | 6.16 |
So, both players (as well as the team) are rated better when paired together than when not. But interestingly: Points per game:
With one of them: 1.17 With both of them: 1.67 With neither of them: 2.00
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Post by socrates on Jan 28, 2020 13:43:00 GMT
I Voted For Kodos anyway you can get stats of results with/without TN? Would be interesting to see, as that is ultimately what matters, not his goal scoring record individually. I expect will take too long so don't worry if not. So, I've looked into this. Firstly, I've limited to just league starts and ignored cups/sub appearances. Also, it is worth bearing in mind that all of the numbers are based on aggregated opinions. Maybe it isn't too scientific, but wisdom of crowds and all that. These are the average ratings since Clarke-Harris' debut away at Southend last season.
| Overall average | Both Starting | Only one starting | Clarke-Harris | 6.50 | 7.00 | 6.01 | Nichols | 5.39 | 5.61 | 4.98 | Starting XI | 6.24 | 6.26 | 6.16 |
So, both players (as well as the team) are rated better when paired together than when not. But interestingly: Points per game:
With one of them: 1.17 With both of them: 1.67 With neither of them: 2.00 So JCH plays better when partnered with Nichols. I’d also bet my house that JCH goals to minutes ratio is better when partnered with Nichols than without. In fact it’s probably twice as good if you take penalties out of it.
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Post by pirate on Jan 28, 2020 14:44:32 GMT
It's amazing to me that 28 days into the window a new striker hasn't been signed after three have left (including Deon Moore) and one has been frozen out of the first team picture. And still the only team in the country that haven't scored a league goal in 2020!
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Post by pirate on Jan 28, 2020 15:21:00 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 28, 2020 17:22:18 GMT
Tom is still the second best striker at the club imo. Who can name a better one? Also I think JCH has lost another partner in GC. I'm beginning to wonder if he knew how to get the best out of JCH not sure he's been on his game since GC's departure. The stats name Reilly. When was his last goal for Rovers, in fact when was his last decent attempt on target for Rovers, it's got to be way back in the DC days? I accept TN is a poor striker but your deluded, or just being a WUM, if you think Reilly is a better option, I wouldn't be surprised if he's playing non league next season or a similar level in Scotland. Regardless BG as just 67 mins to get a goal tonight or he'll be a record breaker, so much for his team playing more attractive football than GC's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 17:42:49 GMT
It's amazing to me that 28 days into the window a new striker hasn't been signed after three have left (including Deon Moore) and one has been frozen out of the first team picture. And still the only team in the country that haven't scored a league goal in 2020! We’re in the “post Crazy Gang” era now- even they weren’t this Dam crazy!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 17:43:38 GMT
Haven’t they already got a target man option in Pay....Oh, that lasted long didn’t it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 17:44:44 GMT
When was his last goal for Rovers, in fact when was his last decent attempt on target for Rovers, it's got to be way back in the DC days? I accept TN is a poor striker but your deluded, or just being a WUM, if you think Reilly is a better option, I wouldn't be surprised if he's playing non league next season or a similar level in Scotland. Regardless BG as just 67 mins to get a goal tonight or he'll be a record breaker, so much for his team playing more attractive football than GC's. I hear we make more passes, but Gasheads are fast going to realise that just passing the ball is not attractive football...
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 28, 2020 18:02:38 GMT
You know you are in trouble when Nichols is banded about as a saviour.......
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 28, 2020 18:03:39 GMT
Haven’t they already got a target man option in Pay....Oh, that lasted long didn’t it.
The only time Payne is a targetman is when you have a loaded gun.
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Post by LJG on Jan 28, 2020 18:04:50 GMT
When was his last goal for Rovers, in fact when was his last decent attempt on target for Rovers, it's got to be way back in the DC days? I accept TN is a poor striker but your deluded, or just being a WUM, if you think Reilly is a better option, I wouldn't be surprised if he's playing non league next season or a similar level in Scotland. Regardless BG as just 67 mins to get a goal tonight or he'll be a record breaker, so much for his team playing more attractive football than GC's. Pretty difficult to score for Rovers when you're playing for Cheltenham. I'm not sure how the FACT (I mean actually a fact not just an opinion) that Reilly's goals per minutes played in a Rovers shirt ratio is about 10 times higher than Nichols can make me deluded? Statistics are just an objective record of things that have happened. They're not personal. You're not a climate change denier by any chance are you, Topper?
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Post by completewingback on Jan 28, 2020 18:25:07 GMT
I can’t see Nichols coming back now he’s been benched and subsequently dropped altogether by a manager who’s made no attempt to deny that he’s on the transfer list. I think some have forgotten that Nichols had been on a dreadful run of form prior to that and hasn’t been creating for JCH nor anyone else this season unlike last. I don’t think he’s awful but neither do I think he’s the answer to all our problems. Not the strongest argument in the world I'm about to make here, I'll admit, but when DC became our full-time manager back in the Conference, one of his first acts iirc was to transfer-list Harrison. He ended up not leaving, DC gave him a chance, and he went on to become our "super sub" that season and an important first team member the next two seasons. This doesn't really matter since Nichols is pretty much out the door already, but then again, so was Reilly for a while
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 28, 2020 19:27:47 GMT
I can’t see Nichols coming back now he’s been benched and subsequently dropped altogether by a manager who’s made no attempt to deny that he’s on the transfer list. I think some have forgotten that Nichols had been on a dreadful run of form prior to that and hasn’t been creating for JCH nor anyone else this season unlike last. I don’t think he’s awful but neither do I think he’s the answer to all our problems. Not the strongest argument in the world I'm about to make here, I'll admit, but when DC became our full-time manager back in the Conference, one of his first acts iirc was to transfer-list Harrison. He ended up not leaving, DC gave him a chance, and he went on to become our "super sub" that season and an important first team member the next two seasons. This doesn't really matter since Nichols is pretty much out the door already, but then again, so was Reilly for a while I just wonder what happens if Nichols calls BG's bluff and stays until the summer, is he really going to leave him sat in the stands on £3k or whatever a week?
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