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Post by CrispPusher on Feb 23, 2020 17:29:23 GMT
The fact we are already questioning the manager is direct result of a society and culture of football supporters that expects results (despite a complete change in style from ugly coughlan ball) straight away. This was never going to be a quick fix and we are all aware of the resource challenges, but Garner clearly has a possession based strategy he wishes to implement, but that takes time. Our job as ‘supporters’ is to support that project and the team. I see a lot of comparisons with when Jurgen Klopp took over Liverpool, he Didn’t have the best start with Liverpool because as he eased his style of play into a Brendan Rodgers squad, but slowly transfer window by transfer window he made a few changes here in there to alter the squad to how he wanted to play (strengthening in required posistions) and soon enough one day it all clicked and became a dominating force. I think it will all come good. Besides, we all know the facilities are rubbish, migh as well implement a system and Philosophy for the long term. What use we get from constantly chopping and changing managers because they all will suffer with the same budget and facilities restrictions? Apart from having a poor start, how else does Garner have comparisons with Klopp? Klopp had a distinguished playing career with Mainz, Garner never played professional football. Klopp earned his stripes as a manager with Mainz, which earned him a shot at a club with the profile of Dortmund where he he built up a fantastic reputation based on the success he brought them. Garner coached West Brom and Crystal Palace's youth sides. Still got to hope it works out for Garner here but I'm sorry, to compare him to Jürgen Klopp is frankly laughable.
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Post by althepirate on Feb 23, 2020 17:29:42 GMT
Yes end of season we might not be so safe next season.
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Post by landrover on Feb 23, 2020 17:34:30 GMT
One man’s reason is another man’s excuse. I don’t know what world Garner lives in but surely even he has noticed that managers live or die by results. How he has the nerve to say it’s a long term project is ridiculous. It’s why youth academies generally keep the head coach. It’s his job to produce players capable of having a full career. Whereas it’s the managers job to win as many matches as possible. Sometimes first team relegation is perfect for youth players as the expectation level can drop. Conversely promotion can be a disastrous event for some of the kids. If Garner wants job security then he should have stayed with the youth setups in London.
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 23, 2020 18:05:58 GMT
When every post match interview starts with blaming the ref. You have a guy who has lost any respect. Have a look at the sunderland forum on their thougts of our saviour.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 23, 2020 18:07:50 GMT
When every post match interview starts with blaming the ref. You have a guy who has lost any respect. Have a look at the sunderland forum on their thougts of our saviour. Stopped listening to his interviews they're the same all the time. Not very interesting to listen to.
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Post by socrates on Feb 23, 2020 18:12:21 GMT
Yes, when he has a chance to move on those who aren’t up to it, in the summer. Every manager deserves a pre season in order to operate. I need a pre game beer to cope with everything. Only one ?
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Feb 23, 2020 18:50:44 GMT
When every post match interview starts with blaming the ref. You have a guy who has lost any respect. Have a look at the sunderland forum on their thougts of our saviour. That's not completely true though is it ? He's criticised the referee a couple of times but then so do all managers when they feel decisions have gone against them. What's the Sunderland forum got to do with anything, plenty of our fans have criticised Parkinson for the way his team put pressure on the referee - so what
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Post by wilmslowgas on Feb 23, 2020 19:45:49 GMT
Actually blaming the referee in a post match interview is a classic deflection tactic. Blame somebody else for your own inadequcies. The current plight at Rovers has nothing whatsoever to do with the appalling standard of L1 referees. The problems are a lot closer to home.
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Post by Gasshole on Feb 23, 2020 20:07:40 GMT
The fact we are already questioning the manager is direct result of a society and culture of football supporters that expects results (despite a complete change in style from ugly coughlan ball) straight away. This was never going to be a quick fix and we are all aware of the resource challenges, but Garner clearly has a possession based strategy he wishes to implement, but that takes time. Our job as ‘supporters’ is to support that project and the team. I see a lot of comparisons with when Jurgen Klopp took over Liverpool, he Didn’t have the best start with Liverpool because as he eased his style of play into a Brendan Rodgers squad, but slowly transfer window by transfer window he made a few changes here in there to alter the squad to how he wanted to play (strengthening in required posistions) and soon enough one day it all clicked and became a dominating force. I think it will all come good. Besides, we all know the facilities are rubbish, migh as well implement a system and Philosophy for the long term. What use we get from constantly chopping and changing managers because they all will suffer with the same budget and facilities restrictions? Apart from having a poor start, how else does Garner have comparisons with Klopp? Klopp had a distinguished playing career with Mainz, Garner never played professional football. Klopp earned his stripes as a manager with Mainz, which earned him a shot at a club with the profile of Dortmund where he he built up a fantastic reputation based on the success he brought them. Garner coached West Brom and Crystal Palace's youth sides. Still got to hope it works out for Garner here but I'm sorry, to compare him to Jürgen Klopp is frankly laughable. I think we should have went for Klopp
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Post by socrates on Feb 23, 2020 20:36:28 GMT
Apart from having a poor start, how else does Garner have comparisons with Klopp? Klopp had a distinguished playing career with Mainz, Garner never played professional football. Klopp earned his stripes as a manager with Mainz, which earned him a shot at a club with the profile of Dortmund where he he built up a fantastic reputation based on the success he brought them. Garner coached West Brom and Crystal Palace's youth sides. Still got to hope it works out for Garner here but I'm sorry, to compare him to Jürgen Klopp is frankly laughable. I think we should have went for Klopp Thing is Klopp likes his teams to play quick direct counter attacking football. Win the ball and then long direct passes in to space in to the channels. That style in terms of league 1 closer to what Goughlan did than what Garners got us doing anyway.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Feb 23, 2020 21:15:48 GMT
We were winning, now we are not. Tell me who's the better manager again?
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Post by 84gas on Feb 23, 2020 21:35:45 GMT
We were winning, now we are not. Tell me who's the better manager again? GC has won 3 in 16 in a lower league with a good squad so he’s hardly proving his worth either!
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Post by althepirate on Feb 23, 2020 21:57:59 GMT
We were winning, now we are not. Tell me who's the better manager again? Look...it's pretty football and a long, very long project ok 😂 PS ...and if we lose its the refs fault, now you got that? Now don't keep on 🥊
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Post by northridinggas on Feb 23, 2020 22:24:14 GMT
We've just got to accept that the results from now till the end of the season don't really matter, we won't go up and we won't go down. Why sack a manager then over results that mean nothing, especially a man that has a vision for the club and hasn't been here long? He deserves a pre season and another transfer window to get his players in, perfect tactics and get up to speed. After that there will be no excuses, he can then be judged on results and performances knowing that he's had all the tools and time to deliver what he promised when he first came to the club. BG came to the club with a long term strategy. Now, whether we should have made that kind of appointment in the middle of the season when we were doing so well is another matter but it would be a big mistake to not let Garner get on with the job and implement it now. Patience should bear it's fruits eventually. Results may not matter this season in terms of actual relegation but they do matter in terms of maintaining fans interest and crowd numbers and ultimately on season ticket sales for next year.
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Post by pirate on Feb 23, 2020 22:28:27 GMT
The fact we are already questioning the manager is direct result of a society and culture of football supporters that expects results (despite a complete change in style from ugly coughlan ball) straight away. This was never going to be a quick fix and we are all aware of the resource challenges, but Garner clearly has a possession based strategy he wishes to implement, but that takes time. Our job as ‘supporters’ is to support that project and the team. I see a lot of comparisons with when Jurgen Klopp took over Liverpool, he Didn’t have the best start with Liverpool because as he eased his style of play into a Brendan Rodgers squad, but slowly transfer window by transfer window he made a few changes here in there to alter the squad to how he wanted to play (strengthening in required posistions) and soon enough one day it all clicked and became a dominating force. I think it will all come good. Besides, we all know the facilities are rubbish, migh as well implement a system and Philosophy for the long term. What use we get from constantly chopping and changing managers because they all will suffer with the same budget and facilities restrictions? Apart from having a poor start, how else does Garner have comparisons with Klopp? Klopp had a distinguished playing career with Mainz, Garner never played professional football. Klopp earned his stripes as a manager with Mainz, which earned him a shot at a club with the profile of Dortmund where he he built up a fantastic reputation based on the success he brought them. Garner coached West Brom and Crystal Palace's youth sides. Still got to hope it works out for Garner here but I'm sorry, to compare him to Jürgen Klopp is frankly laughable. Just for clarity, Garner didn't coach West Brom's youth sides. He also worked his way up at Palace to be appointed first team coach during the 12/13 season when they won promotion to the Premier League.
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Post by axegas on Feb 23, 2020 22:32:07 GMT
We've just got to accept that the results from now till the end of the season don't really matter, we won't go up and we won't go down. Why sack a manager then over results that mean nothing, especially a man that has a vision for the club and hasn't been here long? He deserves a pre season and another transfer window to get his players in, perfect tactics and get up to speed. After that there will be no excuses, he can then be judged on results and performances knowing that he's had all the tools and time to deliver what he promised when he first came to the club. BG came to the club with a long term strategy. Now, whether we should have made that kind of appointment in the middle of the season when we were doing so well is another matter but it would be a big mistake to not let Garner get on with the job and implement it now. Patience should bear it's fruits eventually. Results may not matter this season in terms of actual relegation but they do matter in terms of maintaining fans interest and crowd numbers and ultimately on season ticket sales for next year. Ah but the question from the OP is "Will BG ever be able to get us playing his way successfully?" I'm coming from a purely footballing perspective here, lets not complicate things.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 23, 2020 22:34:51 GMT
When every post match interview starts with blaming the ref. You have a guy who has lost any respect. Have a look at the sunderland forum on their thougts of our saviour. Who cares what Sunderland fans think? 😉 They also have an arrogant sense that they are the biggest thing since sliced bread and also feel that McGuire is a fine upstanding footballer. UTG! ps. But I understand the point you’re making.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Feb 23, 2020 22:35:47 GMT
We were winning, now we are not. Tell me who's the better manager again? GC has won 3 in 16 in a lower league with a good squad so he’s hardly proving his worth either! sorry are you judging how he did in his time here by looking at how he did when he was not here?
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Post by brads213 on Feb 23, 2020 23:37:18 GMT
We were winning, now we are not. Tell me who's the better manager again? GC has won 3 in 16 in a lower league with a good squad so he’s hardly proving his worth either! At least that’s 2 more than BG
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Post by justin blue on Feb 23, 2020 23:49:57 GMT
I think we are putting a lot of faith in a vision with very little evidence as yet that it can become reality.
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