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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 23:59:13 GMT
When every post match interview starts with blaming the ref. You have a guy who has lost any respect. Have a look at the sunderland forum on their thougts of our saviour. Stuff the sunderland forum!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 0:06:48 GMT
I actually think garner is under a lot of pressure and needs mid table form from saturday until the end of the season. If garner does not make it i hope we stick with the strategy of bringing in young players and trying to play football.
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Post by hardingegas on Feb 24, 2020 0:07:30 GMT
It's a results business so even if the manager is changing the system he should still be providing us with a few wins here and there in the process.
For the final 12 games I'd be looking for at least a win, draw, loss sequence of results which is the minimum requirement for an average manager.
So, I'm hoping for 4 wins and 4 draws - another 16 points!
If not, I'd be seriously worried about next season especially if we made a bad start.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Feb 24, 2020 6:49:20 GMT
Look at the midfield three on Saturday. The way that BG wants to play he would probably have only one of those three players in his ideal midfield. However, at the same time, people on here are always crying out for creative midfielders as if they are readily available at this level which they are not.
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Post by Congas on Feb 24, 2020 6:49:29 GMT
Give him the first half of next season to produce his team. What do we have to lose?
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Post by Marshy on Feb 24, 2020 7:03:03 GMT
Give him the first half of next season to produce his team. What do we have to lose? Half a season? I’m only joking, of course we have to stick with Ben and I truly believe he will come good. 👍
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Post by socrates on Feb 24, 2020 7:33:25 GMT
Look at the midfield three on Saturday. The way that BG wants to play he would probably have only one of those three players in his ideal midfield. However, at the same time, people on here are always crying out for creative midfielders as if they are readily available at this level which they are not. Most clubs have at least one in their squad though. Barrett could be the answer the jury’s out on that one .
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Post by althepirate on Feb 24, 2020 7:33:53 GMT
Look at the midfield three on Saturday. The way that BG wants to play he would probably have only one of those three players in his ideal midfield. However, at the same time, people on here are always crying out for creative midfielders as if they are readily available at this level which they are not. That's why GC played to his strengths.
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Post by althepirate on Feb 24, 2020 7:34:38 GMT
I actually think garner is under a lot of pressure and needs mid table form from saturday until the end of the season. If garner does not make it i hope we stick with the strategy of bringing in young players and trying to play football. I hope we win.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Feb 24, 2020 7:45:20 GMT
The trouble is with all football the immediate reaction to some poor results is sack the manager. That's all well & good but at some point you have to back the guy you put your faith in. DC was a good example in the early part of the conference season he could easily have been fired & had that happened who knows where we might be now. Now I'm not saying that Garner will get anywhere near the success of DC but with no threat of relegation and him only being 8 or 9 weeks into the job I can't see the logic in getting rid. I get that results have been poor but let's be honest there are a group of fans that never wanted him in the first place and whatever he does they will find an excuse to bash him.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 24, 2020 8:22:18 GMT
The trouble is with all football the immediate reaction to some poor results is sack the manager. That's all well & good but at some point you have to back the guy you put your faith in. DC was a good example in the early part of the conference season he could easily have been fired & had that happened who knows where we might be now. Now I'm not saying that Garner will get anywhere near the success of DC but with no threat of relegation and him only being 8 or 9 weeks into the job I can't see the logic in getting rid. I get that results have been poor but let's be honest there are a group of fans that never wanted him in the first place and whatever he does they will find an excuse to bash him. But you're talking as if we've been sacking managers left & right and not backing anyone. We've back all our managers, Ben has been massively backed. Probably more than Coughlan ever was. I don't understand comments like 'we need to move players on in the summer', 'this was never going to be a quick fix' and 'the results from now until end of the season don't matter' Firstly, this is a squad of players that had us in 4th. I think their standard of football is and was absolutely fine. The change is due to the manager, not the players. Secondly, who needed to fix anything ffs? Again we were 4th! Are people forgetting that? Have we lowered our expectations so much that we've been fighting relegation all season? Ben himself said there was no need to rock the boat. Thirdly, all results matter. I don't see how that can be debated. Where has our competitiveness gone? Has Ben now got us thinking that results don't matter? Is that what we've come to? Tell that to Ben or the players, see what they say to that. I don't see any evidence that Ben will turn this round. Can anyone show me any evidence that we'll actually start winning games next season? We have 12 games left, if we carry on as we have, we'll win 1, draw 3 and lose 7. Are fans ok with that? Ben is likely to bring us about 12 points from 22 (roughly) games. That is quite frankly not good enough. Pretty much every year we've seen that our end of season form carries into the following season, so would that see us on less points than Bolton next season? People want to see Ben bring in players in the summer, why? He brought in 7 and barely plays them. Is his eye as good as he thinks? The amount of football they play suggests they're not good enough for this level. So why give him an entire summer to do it all over again? If Ben is brought in to just bring in young players and develop them then he should go back into coaching, not management. I'm personally happy with TW doing our scouting and signing of players, at least they all got into the first team. Someone here said every manager deserves a pre-season, which is absolute nonsense. However, I'd be more than happy to give another manager the pre-season tbh.
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Post by Jomo on Feb 24, 2020 8:22:33 GMT
I don't want him to be sacked yet, but he does most definitely have to improve his record dramatically between now and the end of the season for me to have any confidence in him moving forward.
I agreed with SteveK's most recent match report, it's got to be horses for courses and that's what GC got right during his tenure. A good manager will be adaptable to the playing staff he has at his disposal, and will implement changes as and when it's sensible and viable to do so. BG tried it GC's way at first but it was a total disaster, but I think the players were playing above themselves under GC for reason's that must surely have been down to his style of man management, motivation and of course his defensive coaching skills. BG then decided to move towards a new style of play, but without having the nucleus of players in the squad that are capable of adapting to it.
I just simply think that moving to a totally different style of coach midway through a season when we were riding high in the league was a poor choice of direction from the club. We should have given the job to Maher/Mansell until the end of the season, kept the continuity going for as long as possible, and then made more stark changes in the summer. Only my opinion of course.
One thing that has been really bugging me about BG though in his last few post-match interviews, is his insistence on calling out the ref. This was something I always respected about both DC and GC, that they rarely complained about the refs. Fact is that this far down the pyramid, the refs aren't great (I mean look at the standard in the Prem as well for crying out loud), but it's the same for everyone. Like it or not, our results over the course of a season or even just a few games, are not determined by the performances of the referees in our matches. It leaves a really sour taste when our manager starts going down that road, and in my view he should keep his views to himself on that, and focus on how to get his team to start winning matches.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 24, 2020 8:51:44 GMT
To follow up on the last few posts we keep having Klopp chucked in as an example of why we should stick to Ben. If Klopp wants his system to work he sells one or two of the players who don’t work in his system, and goes off and spends tens of millions on a replacement.
Ben Garner manages Bristol Rovers and doesn’t have that luxury. Even if he has flexibility to bring in the players he wants for the system he probably isn’t going to have the financial clout to bring in those to succeed. That’s why a Bristol Rovers manager needs to be flexible and if they aren’t - then they’re probably doomed to failure
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 24, 2020 9:20:23 GMT
I just dont get the love in with this guy. Give me one improvement since he has been here? Ruined one of the best defences we have ever had. One of our most promising youngsters now playing at right back. A midfield that no longer protects or attacks. A striker that feeds of scraps and regularly is isolated. A body on the line team that now only surrenders after conceding. Cant wait for next season where he can work his magic over pre season.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 24, 2020 9:24:33 GMT
I just dont get the love in with this guy. Give me one improvement since he has been here? Ruined one of the best defences we have ever had. One of our most promising youngsters now playing at right back. A midfield that no longer protects or attacks. A striker that feeds of scraps and regularly is isolated. A body on the line team that now only surrenders after conceding. Cant wait for next season where he can work his magic over pre season. I think you're confusing love with giving him a chance till the end of the season.
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 24, 2020 9:30:16 GMT
But why?there is not one shred of improvement. Why take the risk?if he cant win with a side that was playing with confidence and rarely beaten what hope? We are not in the premier league. A bad start to the season and we are back to that slippery slope to the conference again.This time you are welcome to it.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 24, 2020 9:32:23 GMT
I just dont get the love in with this guy. Give me one improvement since he has been here? Ruined one of the best defences we have ever had. One of our most promising youngsters now playing at right back. A midfield that no longer protects or attacks. A striker that feeds of scraps and regularly is isolated. A body on the line team that now only surrenders after conceding. Cant wait for next season where he can work his magic over pre season. I think you're confusing love with giving him a chance till the end of the season. You see, I can understand why people would want to give him until the end of the season. But, if things don't improve he should in no way be given any of next season. Half a season is more than enough time to prove you can manage a team.
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Post by markczgas on Feb 24, 2020 9:36:46 GMT
But why give him the rest of the season?the guy is.not a manager and never will be. The whole appointment and of him scurrying around the club while we had a manager does not sit easy. My worry is the he has been put in place to coach certain clubs development players in the league that they pay the wage for and the result does not matter. If he stays I do not see many proven league players in the starting line up next season. The feeder club begins. how many loan players have we got ? How many start regularly ? answer - 1 !!
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Post by Qatar Gas on Feb 24, 2020 9:57:43 GMT
I just simply think that moving to a totally different style of coach midway through a season when we were riding high in the league was a poor choice of direction from the club. We should have given the job to Maher/Mansell until the end of the season, kept the continuity going for as long as possible, and then made more stark changes in the summer. Only my opinion of course. This was also my opinion. It was a no risk option and not to mention that all our recent successful managers have been appointed from within. What is different this time is that we are only used to changing managers when fighting with relegation. Having one leave when we are doing well is new for us!
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Post by markczgas on Feb 24, 2020 10:09:19 GMT
I just simply think that moving to a totally different style of coach midway through a season when we were riding high in the league was a poor choice of direction from the club. We should have given the job to Maher/Mansell until the end of the season, kept the continuity going for as long as possible, and then made more stark changes in the summer. Only my opinion of course. This was also my opinion. It was a no risk option and not to mention that all our recent successful managers have been appointed from within. What is different this time is that we are only used to changing managers when fighting with relegation. Having one leave when we are doing well is new for us! We all want to see our team winning and doing well. As things stand, we are in no danger of going down. Yes BG needs to get some wins and yes we need to look like we have a chance of getting a result in every game we play. He has to improve and so do the players - he's got 3 or 4 which he's bedding in - we need to remain optimistic that they will start to improve the team by the time the season ends. No need for any knee-jerk stuff. Let's see how we end the season. UTG.
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