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Post by knowall on Feb 24, 2020 13:24:20 GMT
I guess they like losing games even less as they seem to be staying home nowadays Says more about them then doesn't it. So you go week after week to watch the team lose do you? You must be very happy these days then. Apart from winning against ten men two weeks ago our previous win was December 17th - bound to bring the crowds in.
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Post by baggins on Feb 24, 2020 13:27:13 GMT
Says more about them then doesn't it. So you go week after week to watch the team lose do you? You must be very happy these days then. Apart from winning against ten men two weeks ago our previous win was December 17th - bound to bring the crowds in. No, I go week in week out to watch and support my Team thanks.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 24, 2020 13:30:14 GMT
Apparently we’d had the best transfer window in years in January so everyone was saying. Think some people are getting carried away with this appointment and his signings. Weird considering I seem to recall much more negativity around GC and his signings in the summer and he’d already earned his stripes. Still time to turn it round though - no pressure of a playoff push any more to content with. Give the guy and his signings a chance. I’m not saying anything either way in that post. I said some are getting carried away. The fact he isn’t playing his signings yet seems to me that it’s correct that they’d got carried away with bold statements like ‘best transfer window in years.’
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Post by pirate on Feb 24, 2020 13:33:35 GMT
So Daly and Harries have played a combined 5 minutes between them and Barrett's appearances restricted by the size of his gut. That all sounds very reassuring in terms of player recruitment. The only player Garner had much say in was Daly, the rest were Widdrington.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Feb 24, 2020 13:37:09 GMT
The trouble is with all football the immediate reaction to some poor results is sack the manager. That's all well & good but at some point you have to back the guy you put your faith in. DC was a good example in the early part of the conference season he could easily have been fired & had that happened who knows where we might be now. Now I'm not saying that Garner will get anywhere near the success of DC but with no threat of relegation and him only being 8 or 9 weeks into the job I can't see the logic in getting rid. I get that results have been poor but let's be honest there are a group of fans that never wanted him in the first place and whatever he does they will find an excuse to bash him. But you're talking as if we've been sacking managers left & right and not backing anyone. We've back all our managers, Ben has been massively backed. Probably more than Coughlan ever was. I don't understand comments like 'we need to move players on in the summer', 'this was never going to be a quick fix' and 'the results from now until end of the season don't matter' Firstly, this is a squad of players that had us in 4th. I think their standard of football is and was absolutely fine. The change is due to the manager, not the players. Secondly, who needed to fix anything ffs? Again we were 4th! Are people forgetting that? Have we lowered our expectations so much that we've been fighting relegation all season? Ben himself said there was no need to rock the boat. Thirdly, all results matter. I don't see how that can be debated. Where has our competitiveness gone? Has Ben now got us thinking that results don't matter? Is that what we've come to? Tell that to Ben or the players, see what they say to that. I don't see any evidence that Ben will turn this round. Can anyone show me any evidence that we'll actually start winning games next season? We have 12 games left, if we carry on as we have, we'll win 1, draw 3 and lose 7. Are fans ok with that? Ben is likely to bring us about 12 points from 22 (roughly) games. That is quite frankly not good enough. Pretty much every year we've seen that our end of season form carries into the following season, so would that see us on less points than Bolton next season? People want to see Ben bring in players in the summer, why? He brought in 7 and barely plays them. Is his eye as good as he thinks? The amount of football they play suggests they're not good enough for this level. So why give him an entire summer to do it all over again? If Ben is brought in to just bring in young players and develop them then he should go back into coaching, not management. I'm personally happy with TW doing our scouting and signing of players, at least they all got into the first team. Someone here said every manager deserves a pre-season, which is absolute nonsense. However, I'd be more than happy to give another manager the pre-season tbh. I'm not necessarily talking about us I'm merely pointing out that the normal fans reaction to poor results is to sack the manager. I don't disagree that Garner has been backed but that was in the Jan transfer window which closed 24 days ago, just over 3 weeks - having back him then surely we have to give him time to mould those players into his way of playing before we get rid ? I'm not saying he can go on for ever without us seeing some proof that his way will work but what I am saying is what would be the point in ripping things up now ? Whether you think Garner can turn results around the fact remains that the club has made a conscious decision to move in a new direction and they have entrusted him with making those changes, they aren't going make a change without giving him as long as they can to make it work.
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Post by baggins on Feb 24, 2020 13:38:05 GMT
Give the guy and his signings a chance. I’m not saying anything either way in that post. I said some are getting carried away. The fact he isn’t playing his signings yet seems to me that it’s correct that they’d got carried away with bold statements like ‘best transfer window in years.’ Ah, gotcha.
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Post by pirate on Feb 24, 2020 13:39:58 GMT
Apparently we’d had the best transfer window in years in January so everyone was saying. Think some people are getting carried away with this appointment and his signings. Weird considering I seem to recall much more negativity around GC and his signings in the summer and he’d already earned his stripes. Still time to turn it round though - no pressure of a playoff push any more to content with. Give the guy and his signings a chance. Give him and Widdrington's signings a chance.
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Post by baggins on Feb 24, 2020 13:42:52 GMT
Give the guy and his signings a chance. Give him and Widdrington's signings a chance. I'm fairly sure Garner has the final say, but yes, give them a chance.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 24, 2020 13:43:12 GMT
Give the guy and his signings a chance. Give him and Widdrington's signings a chance. How do you know they're Widdrington's and not Garners?
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Post by Qatar Gas on Feb 24, 2020 13:45:07 GMT
So Daly and Harries have played a combined 5 minutes between them and Barrett's appearances restricted by the size of his gut. That all sounds very reassuring in terms of player recruitment. How long can we use the ‘he’s too fat’ excuse? Surely these days it shouldn’t take a professional sportsman two months to lose a bit of timber?
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Post by pirate on Feb 24, 2020 13:50:38 GMT
Give him and Widdrington's signings a chance. I'm fairly sure Garner has the final say, but yes, give them a chance. Widdrington is basically the de facto director of football these days and has a major influence at the club. Most of the signings have been in the pipeline for a while. Abraham for example as was intimated by Garner. Harries was at Coventry when Widdrington was a scout there and so too was Barrett when he joined Coventry on loan. Who was on the 3 man selection panel when Garner was appointed? Wael, Starnes and Widdrington.
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Post by baggins on Feb 24, 2020 13:54:37 GMT
I'm fairly sure Garner has the final say, but yes, give them a chance. Widdrington is basically the de facto director of football these days and has a major influence at the club. Most of the signings have been in the pipeline for a while. Abraham for example as was intimated by Garner. Harries was at Coventry when Widdrington was a scout there and so too was Barrett when he joined Coventry on loan. Who was on the 3 man selection panel when Garner was appointed? Wael, Starnes and Widdrington. But Garner has the final say so yes?
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Post by pirate on Feb 24, 2020 13:55:59 GMT
Give him and Widdrington's signings a chance. How do you know they're Widdrington's and not Garners? Hmmm, let me think. Garner already told us that Abraham had been lined up long before he was appointed and Harries was at Coventry during Widdrington's time there and Barrett joined Coventry on loan during his spell as chief scout.
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Post by pirate on Feb 24, 2020 14:00:05 GMT
Widdrington is basically the de facto director of football these days and has a major influence at the club. Most of the signings have been in the pipeline for a while. Abraham for example as was intimated by Garner. Harries was at Coventry when Widdrington was a scout there and so too was Barrett when he joined Coventry on loan. Who was on the 3 man selection panel when Garner was appointed? Wael, Starnes and Widdrington. But Garner has the final say so yes? If he wants to take the credit or fall on his sword for other people's signings that's up to him. Very risky business. A manager lives and dies by his results and signings. Obviously so far it's been abysmal, certainly the results have been.
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Post by theduke on Feb 24, 2020 14:01:06 GMT
So Daly and Harries have played a combined 5 minutes between them and Barrett's appearances restricted by the size of his gut. That all sounds very reassuring in terms of player recruitment. How long can we use the ‘he’s too fat’ excuse? Surely these days it shouldn’t take a professional sportsman two months to lose a bit of timber? Agree with you, but playing him might help his match fitness too, right? What's concerning that a player we've spent a fee on has already been bombed out of the starting eleven and didn't look any great shakes to begin with.
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Post by baggins on Feb 24, 2020 14:07:19 GMT
But Garner has the final say so yes? If he wants to take the credit or fall on his sword for other people's signings that's up to him. Very risky business. A manager lives and dies by his results and signings. Obviously so far it's been abysmal, certainly the results have been. As a Manager, I'd expect him to do both. But have his signings really been abysmal? I've seen some good signs from every player so far.
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Post by Marshy on Feb 24, 2020 14:09:36 GMT
How long can we use the ‘he’s too fat’ excuse? Surely these days it shouldn’t take a professional sportsman two months to lose a bit of timber? Agree with you, but playing him might help his match fitness too, right? What's concerning that a player we've spent a fee on has already been bombed out of the starting eleven and didn't look any great shakes to begin with. Shakes, I think you mean wobbles? I reckon he’s gonna be a really good player for us when fully fit.
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Post by theduke on Feb 24, 2020 14:15:48 GMT
Agree with you, but playing him might help his match fitness too, right? What's concerning that a player we've spent a fee on has already been bombed out of the starting eleven and didn't look any great shakes to begin with. Shakes, I think you mean wobbles? I reckon he’s gonna be a really good player for us when fully fit. Hope you're right on that one mate. We can't afford to make mistakes when we pay decent fees.
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Post by pirate on Feb 24, 2020 14:16:33 GMT
If he wants to take the credit or fall on his sword for other people's signings that's up to him. Very risky business. A manager lives and dies by his results and signings. Obviously so far it's been abysmal, certainly the results have been. As a Manager, I'd expect him to do both. But have his signings really been abysmal? I've seen some good signs from every player so far. I said certainly the results have been abysmal. The signings are hard to judge because we haven't really seen a lot of them so far, but the keeper looks good, JML showed promising signs in the Wycombe game, Barrett overweight and done very little, Ginnelly flatters to deceive and now on the bench, Harries only one brief sub appearance, similar for Abraham and Daly yet to feature. Not great overall so far.
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Post by Marshy on Feb 24, 2020 14:19:30 GMT
As a Manager, I'd expect him to do both. But have his signings really been abysmal? I've seen some good signs from every player so far. I said certainly the results have been abysmal. The signings are hard to judge because we haven't really seen a lot of them so far, but the keeper looks good, JML showed promising signs in the Wycombe game, Barrett overweight and done very little, Ginnelly flatters to deceive and now on the bench, Harries only one brief sub appearance, similar for Abraham and Daly yet to feature. Not great overall so far. Yeah but they’re an honest bunch of lads.
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