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Post by baggins on Feb 25, 2020 12:19:58 GMT
I’m glad I’m not married to you Antonio, you’re too demanding! To be fair, I'd only be demanding you leave me alone. We all do that.
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Post by baggins on Feb 25, 2020 12:20:40 GMT
It's not just Craig who appears to be struggling for form. There seems to be a collective drop in performance which can't be helped by the current run of results. Is any regular player doing better under BG than they were under GC? Just asking. Unfortunately not.
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Post by althepirate on Feb 25, 2020 16:05:40 GMT
Tbh I think long term planning is asking too much for us. Over 30 years waiting for a new stadium, now when we are up to fourth we have it ripped away to lose in the short term. Welcome everyone to the new alternative Gas therapy and lifestyle Blindfullness.
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Post by 1986gashead on Feb 26, 2020 4:23:33 GMT
Tbh I was thinking the same type of questions really so all I can add is just reading other people’s comments tbh, none of us have any real idea what will happen but I am genuinely interested in people’s opinions on this subject
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Post by markczgas on Feb 26, 2020 11:48:40 GMT
As one that didn’t want Garner anywhere near the job it turns out that he’s worse than I thought. He’s robotic, uninspiring and passionless. You have to suspect that the players aren’t having him. He’s been over promoted and probably struggles to get his ideas across to the more senior players. The fact that he’s signed so many young players could well be because he’s more comfortable with them and that they will listen more. Mind you, he talks a great game. Lots of hunches here.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 26, 2020 11:58:21 GMT
As one that didn’t want Garner anywhere near the job it turns out that he’s worse than I thought. He’s robotic, uninspiring and passionless. You have to suspect that the players aren’t having him. He’s been over promoted and probably struggles to get his ideas across to the more senior players. The fact that he’s signed so many young players could well be because he’s more comfortable with them and that they will listen more. Mind you, he talks a great game. Lots of hunches here. To be fair Mark, it’s all we can do as the club is not exactly giving us any idea eh .
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Post by wilmslowgas on Feb 26, 2020 11:59:59 GMT
As one who DID want Garner in I have to say that the current disappointing level of performance and points acquisition is not acceptable. At many clubs he would have been gone by now.
I still advocate waiting until the season's end to review his performance. By that time he will have held the reins for half a season. That's long enough to assess a manager's capabilities. If the current level continues we need to find somebody else.
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 26, 2020 12:55:24 GMT
15 matches is long enough. Nowhere else would he have a free ticket. He took over a winning side what he has destroyed in such a short space of time is astounding.
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Post by baggins on Feb 26, 2020 13:15:03 GMT
15 matches is long enough. Nowhere else would he have a free ticket. He took over a winning side what he has destroyed in such a short space of time is astounding. 15 is NOT long enough to judge a new Manager who was asked to come in on short notice. And he hasn't destroyed the side, if anything, a few of the regulars need to take a long hard look at themselves for the appauling performances they've put in for far too long.
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 26, 2020 13:31:00 GMT
Short notice?
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Post by baggins on Feb 26, 2020 13:41:45 GMT
How much notice do you think GC gave before he left?
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 26, 2020 13:50:26 GMT
How much was half his foot in the door already?
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Post by baggins on Feb 26, 2020 14:00:16 GMT
How much was half his foot in the door already? I've no idea what you're on about. He announced he was off within 30 minutes of the end of the Ipswich game didn't he?
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Post by Gassy on Feb 26, 2020 14:22:47 GMT
15 matches is long enough. Nowhere else would he have a free ticket. He took over a winning side what he has destroyed in such a short space of time is astounding. 15 is NOT long enough to judge a new Manager who was asked to come in on short notice. And he hasn't destroyed the side, if anything, a few of the regulars need to take a long hard look at themselves for the appauling performances they've put in for far too long. Makes no difference the length of notice. Ben apparently watch all our games, so how short was it? Not that it matters anyway. Not sure how you can blame the players, the ones who had us in 4th position. If Ben had such a problem with the players, he should play his new signings instead. But wait, Ben told us that he'll give them starts when they show him they want to play more than the current team. Sounds to me that the regulars aren't the problem. I still see players giving 110%, the difference is now that they don't seem to have a clue what they're doing tactically. How much was half his foot in the door already? I've no idea what you're on about. He announced he was off within 30 minutes of the end of the Ipswich game didn't he? No, he said he needs to make a decision.
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Post by baggins on Feb 26, 2020 14:45:50 GMT
15 is NOT long enough to judge a new Manager who was asked to come in on short notice. And he hasn't destroyed the side, if anything, a few of the regulars need to take a long hard look at themselves for the appauling performances they've put in for far too long. Makes no difference the length of notice. Ben apparently watch all our games, so how short was it? Not that it matters anyway. Not sure how you can blame the players, the ones who had us in 4th position. If Ben had such a problem with the players, he should play his new signings instead. But wait, Ben told us that he'll give them starts when they show him they want to play more than the current team. Sounds to me that the regulars aren't the problem. I still see players giving 110%, the difference is now that they don't seem to have a clue what they're doing tactically. I've no idea what you're on about. He announced he was off within 30 minutes of the end of the Ipswich game didn't he? No, he said he needs to make a decision. He watched ALL our games did he? Really? How many was that? And what players are letting us down? The new signings or the regulars, Clarke, Upson, Oggogo etc?
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Post by baggins on Feb 26, 2020 14:47:31 GMT
15 is NOT long enough to judge a new Manager who was asked to come in on short notice. And he hasn't destroyed the side, if anything, a few of the regulars need to take a long hard look at themselves for the appauling performances they've put in for far too long. Makes no difference the length of notice. Ben apparently watch all our games, so how short was it? Not that it matters anyway. Not sure how you can blame the players, the ones who had us in 4th position. If Ben had such a problem with the players, he should play his new signings instead. But wait, Ben told us that he'll give them starts when they show him they want to play more than the current team. Sounds to me that the regulars aren't the problem. I still see players giving 110%, the difference is now that they don't seem to have a clue what they're doing tactically. I've no idea what you're on about. He announced he was off within 30 minutes of the end of the Ipswich game didn't he? No, he said he needs to make a decision. And he did. Within a week. Seems like short notice to me.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 26, 2020 15:12:26 GMT
Makes no difference the length of notice. Ben apparently watch all our games, so how short was it? Not that it matters anyway. Not sure how you can blame the players, the ones who had us in 4th position. If Ben had such a problem with the players, he should play his new signings instead. But wait, Ben told us that he'll give them starts when they show him they want to play more than the current team. Sounds to me that the regulars aren't the problem. I still see players giving 110%, the difference is now that they don't seem to have a clue what they're doing tactically. No, he said he needs to make a decision. He watched ALL our games did he? Really? How many was that? And what players are letting us down? The new signings or the regulars, Clarke, Upson, Oggogo etc? "I watched the game Saturday on iFollow and used that facility. Obviously I watched the Plymouth game on TV and have seen the majority of the games over the course of the season now." - maybe not all, but most of them. Every time I come onto the forum there's a different excuse for Ben. First it's too many games, then it's not enough time on the training pitch, then it's too many injuries, then it's unfit players (he signed), then it's we were over achieving and now it's short notice? Why are we constantly making excuses for him? 15 games might not be enough to completely judge a manager, but it's more than enough to show that you actually possess any capabilities that a manager possesses. Ultimately Clarke, Upson & Ogogo are similar players. A good competent manager would work around any issues they're having in midfield. Instead, Ben sticks with the same midfield 3 for the last how many games? We're playing the same formation game after game, which clearly doesn't work and the defence suddenly don't seem to have a clue what they're doing. Yet some how it's not the regulars' fault, rather than the manager? I'm not buying it.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 26, 2020 15:14:12 GMT
Makes no difference the length of notice. Ben apparently watch all our games, so how short was it? Not that it matters anyway. Not sure how you can blame the players, the ones who had us in 4th position. If Ben had such a problem with the players, he should play his new signings instead. But wait, Ben told us that he'll give them starts when they show him they want to play more than the current team. Sounds to me that the regulars aren't the problem. I still see players giving 110%, the difference is now that they don't seem to have a clue what they're doing tactically. No, he said he needs to make a decision. And he did. Within a week. Seems like short notice to me. No shorter than any other time a manager comes in and goes. DC left and GC was put in charge immediately. If a club A approaches another club B's manager, how long do you think they're in talks for? 6 months while club B finds the right replacement?
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Post by baggins on Feb 26, 2020 15:24:38 GMT
And he did. Within a week. Seems like short notice to me. No shorter than any other time a manager comes in and goes. DC left and GC was put in charge immediately. If a club A approaches another club B's manager, how long do you think they're in talks for? 6 months while club B finds the right replacement? You obviously know the inner workings of the Club and it's Management recruitment, so I'll leave you to it. Adios.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Feb 26, 2020 15:30:33 GMT
Whilst I'd agree that 15 games should under normal circumstances be enough these haven't really been anything like normal. Lets be honest the club have obviously decided the direction they now wish to go, they aren't going to appoint a manager like Garner and then demand he plays the Coughlan way. Of course there are those that think he should have left alone until the summer before changing things but if that's the case why appoint him in the first place ? He then had off the field issues which effectively meant his first month was a write off which also coincided with a pretty chronic injury situation. Since his return we have looked better, had JCH tucked away his pen v Fleetwood and a chance he'd previously been burying with his eyes closed in the last minute at Tranmere I doubt we'd even be having this discussion. Excuses or valid reasons for how his tenure has started - I guess that depends on which side of the fence you are sat ??
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