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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 22:46:39 GMT
insert code here Maybe DC should put himself in the fans position he has only been here a year or so we have had years of this. We have had years of being a laughing stock in this city and in the league that we no longer belong to. We've had years of our team being whipping boys and watching our dreams go down the drain. Did DC really think we would be enthusiastic about the prospect of watching a team grind out results devoid of attacking flair. Srange that DC talks about isolating players what is that all about the whole club has already isolated itself from the fans our forum was shut down and we are drip fed info from the club media. Why has the story of the posters only surfaced now if it was the first game DC should be over it by now and a fan tried to board the team bus after travelling halfway across the country to watch a dismal display on a miserable night. I don't condone that fans behaviour, but I can understand his frustration and desire to make his feelings known to the team. I was begining to warm to Darren, but I am afraid his latest comments were a big mistake and will not endear him to many long suffering fans.
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Post by 1883 on Nov 13, 2014 22:58:13 GMT
it worries me that people are trying to justify on here the behaviour of so called fans, its embarrassing and will only help cause further decline
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Post by Mark Ash on Nov 13, 2014 23:11:49 GMT
insert code here Maybe DC should put himself in the fans position he has only been here a year or so we have had years of this. We have had years of being a laughing stock in this city and in the league that we no longer belong to. We've had years of our team being whipping boys and watching our dreams go down the drain. Did DC really think we would be enthusiastic about the prospect of watching a team grind out results devoid of attacking flair. Srange that DC talks about isolating players what is that all about the whole club has already isolated itself from the fans our forum was shut down and we are drip fed info from the club media. Why has the story of the posters only surfaced now if it was the first game DC should be over it by now and a fan tried to board the team bus after travelling halfway across the country to watch a dismal display on a miserable night. I don't condone that fans behaviour, but I can understand his frustration and desire to make his feelings known to the team. I was begining to warm to Darren, but I am afraid his latest comments were a big mistake and will not endear him to many long suffering fans. But what can we reasonably ask of him, except to get us promoted? He is trying his level best to do that, without adequate funds. We can help a little, by supporting the team.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 23:20:15 GMT
(1) I hate it when this sort of spurious "market forces" argument is used. Would you really be happy to pay £9 instead of £18 to see a Rovers team that's half as good? No? Me neither. No-one would. Supporting a football team is not like buying a loaf of bread. (2) Apart from take us into the playoff places. Or is that not relevant to promotion? (3) Who deserves better? You've decided not to come because you don't think it's worth the price of admission. Fair enough, but what does that entitle you to?
(1) No - what I am unhappy about is paying £18 to see a Rovers team that's already only half as good playing against other teams that are not very good, with players who aren't up to it at Football League level. Not sure if you've realised, but we're no longer in the Football League. Many would argue that we had a "Football League" team last season, but how did that work out? We have a team who put 100% in and they should have our support. Anything you want to vent because of the board should be aimed at the board. The players do not set the ticket prices? I do believe in Value for Money. Everyone draws the line somewhere. The BoD charges the same as in previous years because it can get away with it. Because it's not like buying a loaf of bread, most supporters let them get away with it - and I totally respect that. If they charged 10x as much you probably wouldn't go either - so market forces do apply.
(2) The "play-offs" seem to be the height of our ambition (and from where we are it's a good ambition to have). If we get there, we will have a 25% chance of going up. We've been unconvincing in the (admittedly Away) games that I've seen this season. So - no I'm not convinced. We've only lost 3 of our 10 away matches. IF we get into the play offs, an away draw isn't out of the question and home form could get us through. (So far 6 wins out of 9 at home). Even if we're playing poor, we're getting results. I honestly could not care how we go up, if we go up.
(3) I've decided not to come to Home matches because:-
On top of the £18, it's 100 miles each way to see football whose quality is even poorer than last year. I'm fed up with whole football experience at the Mem. I'm fed up with the BoD treating the supporters as if we're idiots. I think we deserve better. I'm fed up with a couple of issues which I have raised with the club and haven't even had the courtesy of a reply. I think I deserve better. So that gives people the right to hurl abuse at the manager and the players, who aren't used to crowds like this, yet alone crowds as hostile as ours can be, despite being in the play offs and the January transfer window coming up for us to try and get a striker? They have not been the problem, issues with the board should be took up with them not the players and the manager.
I would also say JW took us out of the league, and the board had hoped putting Darrell in charge would make him a scapegoat.
As a supporter for 43 years, I think I'm entitled to an opinion at least.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 13, 2014 23:39:52 GMT
gaschat.co.uk/thread/1622/clarke-told-funds-easter-signingWith the thread above. I'm wondering whether there is more to it. Is he frustrated in general? Are the board not sticking to their promises yet again? If he can't get the funds he needs to sign a striker then there's bound to be a bit of friction between him and the board I'd imagine. Come on Higgs pull her finger out! You said yourself that not scoring enough goals was the problem after your long and in depth review over the summer. Let's see you do something about it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 23:48:30 GMT
insert code here Maybe DC should put himself in the fans position he has only been here a year or so we have had years of this. We have had years of being a laughing stock in this city and in the league that we no longer belong to. We've had years of our team being whipping boys and watching our dreams go down the drain. Did DC really think we would be enthusiastic about the prospect of watching a team grind out results devoid of attacking flair. Srange that DC talks about isolating players what is that all about the whole club has already isolated itself from the fans our forum was shut down and we are drip fed info from the club media. Why has the story of the posters only surfaced now if it was the first game DC should be over it by now and a fan tried to board the team bus after travelling halfway across the country to watch a dismal display on a miserable night. I don't condone that fans behaviour, but I can understand his frustration and desire to make his feelings known to the team. I was begining to warm to Darren, but I am afraid his latest comments were a big mistake and will not endear him to many long suffering fans. But what can we reasonably ask of him, except to get us promoted? He is trying his level best to do that, without adequate funds. We can help a little, by supporting the team. No complaints with the effort from DC and the team, but I honestly think our fans in general are among the most tolerant and I do not think his comments reflect that
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Post by mehewmagic on Nov 14, 2014 0:09:09 GMT
I smell fish!!
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Post by lincsblue on Nov 14, 2014 1:10:21 GMT
The "fan" was an idiot....simples
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 4:10:03 GMT
insert code here Maybe DC should put himself in the fans position he has only been here a year or so we have had years of this. We have had years of being a laughing stock in this city and in the league that we no longer belong to. We've had years of our team being whipping boys and watching our dreams go down the drain. Did DC really think we would be enthusiastic about the prospect of watching a team grind out results devoid of attacking flair. Srange that DC talks about isolating players what is that all about the whole club has already isolated itself from the fans our forum was shut down and we are drip fed info from the club media. Why has the story of the posters only surfaced now if it was the first game DC should be over it by now and a fan tried to board the team bus after travelling halfway across the country to watch a dismal display on a miserable night. I don't condone that fans behaviour, but I can understand his frustration and desire to make his feelings known to the team. I was begining to warm to Darren, but I am afraid his latest comments were a big mistake and will not endear him to many long suffering fans. what your actually saying is that its ok to shout vile abuse at the players because were non league and our team are only a good conference team nothing more,,your condoning dreadfull behaviour in reality, your probably one of the miserable idiots hurling abuse ?
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Post by wreckless on Nov 14, 2014 9:29:28 GMT
(1) No - what I am unhappy about is paying £18 to see a Rovers team that's already only half as good playing against other teams that are not very good, with players who aren't up to it at Football League level. Not sure if you've realised, but we're no longer in the Football League. I have realised this. Many would argue that we had a "Football League" team last season, but how did that work out? We have a team who put 100% in and they should have our support. They do, and have had for many years. Anything you want to vent because of the board should be aimed at the board. Agreed. The players do not set the ticket prices? If you are asking a question here, Yes I do accept that the players do not set the ticket prices! I do believe in Value for Money. Everyone draws the line somewhere. The BoD charges the same as in previous years because it can get away with it. Because it's not like buying a loaf of bread, most supporters let them get away with it - and I totally respect that. If they charged 10x as much you probably wouldn't go either - so market forces do apply.
(2) The "play-offs" seem to be the height of our ambition (and from where we are it's a good ambition to have). If we get there, we will have a 25% chance of going up. We've been unconvincing in the (admittedly Away) games that I've seen this season. So - no I'm not convinced. We've only lost 3 of our 10 away matches. IF we get into the play offs, an away draw isn't out of the question and home form could get us through. (So far 6 wins out of 9 at home). Even if we're playing poor, we're getting results. I honestly could not care how we go up, if we go up. Me neither - just not convinced that we will by what I've seen so far. That's my opinion. I can assure you that I really want to believe something different, and I will be very happy if we win the Play-Off Final.
(3) I've decided not to come to Home matches because:-
On top of the £18, it's 100 miles each way to see football whose quality is even poorer than last year. I'm fed up with whole football experience at the Mem. I'm fed up with the BoD treating the supporters as if we're idiots. I think we deserve better. I'm fed up with a couple of issues which I have raised with the club and haven't even had the courtesy of a reply. I think I deserve better. So that gives people the right to hurl abuse at the manager and the players, who aren't used to crowds like this, yet alone crowds as hostile as ours can be, despite being in the play offs and the January transfer window coming up for us to try and get a striker? Er No - Where have I said this? Although I do believe that we are entitled to express a view if what is on offer is not to our liking. They have not been the problem, issues with the board should be took up with them not the players and the manager. Agreed, and from what I have seen, I agree that the players are trying (with the good definition of trying). I would also say JW took us out of the league, and the board had hoped putting Darrell in charge would make him a scapegoat. That's your opinion, which I understand - mine is that the Board and DC took us out of the League and JW has been made a scapegoat. Each to their own.
As a supporter for 43 years, I think I'm entitled to an opinion at least.
My colour-blindness is playing up and I won't be on-line again until after Saturday's game, so I think I'll stop now.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 14, 2014 9:51:30 GMT
Me to and so would many others if he hadnt of spouted all that crap pre season. Dins, I mean this with the greatest possible respect but do you really believe that people wouldn't have moaned regardless of what Clarke said? Or would have moaned at the time if he said we're going to be crap all season. Or if he would have said we're looking to consoladate this year in the league or that midtable would have been good enough Nothing, this year, was going to be good enough with sections of the support, because some will not accept that we deserve to be in the conference. I also firmly believe that some, and I'm not saying you, will never accept Clarke and the moment a negative arises will be all over it like a bad rash. Sorry but this wrong. I am one of your moaners and I fully accept we are in The Conference. We DESERVED to go down last season because we often played negative football and we barely looked like scoring. When Clarke took over last season the football was even worse. This season despite still having a good 8 ex- League 2 players in his starting line up the standard of football is markedly worse and again we DONT look like scoring - in open play, corners, free-kicks, on the counter attack nothing - don't you agree ? DC needs to do something about it. It isn't just the forwards it's the QUALITY of the football or the LACK of it that needs addressing.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 14, 2014 9:59:34 GMT
Oh, sorry, I wasn't meaning to have a pop, and not suggesting you have an agenda in a bad way. I was answering your point about us being very pro club. I don't always agree with you but you put together reasoned arguments. I have no issue with that. If you only listen to people with the same views as you, you learn nothing. Other people however (on Twitter perhaps) just seem to want to slag off the club. Some people appear to have an anti board/club/dc agenda, wouldn't you agree? I mean I have a pro club agenda after all so its not an unreasonable suggestion. We all have our reasons for posting here. Oh, And I meant what I wrote. I love the club and want the board to succeed but not dealing with things right in the summer has meant that my own personal feelings of anger and disaffection with the club are still never far away and its not nice to feel that way. If NH had just come on the pitch and said "sorry" I think I may have got some closure. Ok Hugo understand. What I was trying to say is that Gaschat members who write on here fall largely into the very pro- Bristol Rovers brigade, but there are hundreds/thousands who don't join forums who I am sure are not so pro - the club and the way the team are playing. A good point about Hick Higgs - saying sorry - I agree but then it needed to be backed up with something tangible - like the published internal review - to this day I cannot understand the boards reasons for not letting the fans know in black and white what they learnt and what they intended to put in place to rectify things.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 14, 2014 10:02:59 GMT
The trouble with some people is that they don't just expect the team to try, they don't just expect them to win, they don't just expect them to win by a hatful of goals, they also expect them to do it all with dazzling twinkly-toed style, like we're Real-sodding-Madrid. We are in a dogfight. It's a nasty, muddy, struggling snarlfest, mostly against red-legged steamers who aren't going to be looking up and playing football, but who have their heads down and are hell-bent on stopping anyone doing anything. Get in hard, smack it out, park the tanks in front of goal is what they are about. Supporters who have a faint-hearted, rosy idea of what is needed in this league and how we might get out of it without money, are apparently deciding they'd rather look away. Chuckle. The Mem pitch is a mud bath ain't it ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 10:09:04 GMT
Dins, I mean this with the greatest possible respect but do you really believe that people wouldn't have moaned regardless of what Clarke said? Or would have moaned at the time if he said we're going to be crap all season. Or if he would have said we're looking to consoladate this year in the league or that midtable would have been good enough Nothing, this year, was going to be good enough with sections of the support, because some will not accept that we deserve to be in the conference. I also firmly believe that some, and I'm not saying you, will never accept Clarke and the moment a negative arises will be all over it like a bad rash. Sorry but this wrong. I am one of your moaners and I fully accept we are in The Conference. We DESERVED to go down last season because we often played negative football and we barely looked like scoring. When Clarke took over last season the football was even worse. This season despite still having a good 8 ex- League 2 players in his starting line up the standard of football is markedly worse and again we DONT look like scoring - in open play, corners, free-kicks, on the counter attack nothing - don't you agree ? DC needs to do something about it. It isn't just the forwards it's the QUALITY of the football or the LACK of it that needs addressing.
It's kind of hard to disagree with what you say here and if I'm honest its how I feel too. It's really difficult to maintain my Pro Club supportive stance. I really want to back the lads to the hilt and I really want to shout you down and dismiss you as just a miserable old lady garden but we see things the same. I suppose I choose to take solace in the small improvements and league position and I turn a blind eye the other issues and try not to raise them in order to not rock this very unstable boat we are on. You have to remember Mark, you are trying to highlight painful things to hurting people who don't want to see them. I'm not telling you to be silent, but sometimes it feels like you are almost being deliberately blunt with your assessment and harsh reality. We all need to hear a balanced view which does mean being challenged at times. Maybe people would be more willing to hear what you are saying if you softened the blows a little? Or maybe I'm just a delicate flower.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 10:11:46 GMT
Dins, I mean this with the greatest possible respect but do you really believe that people wouldn't have moaned regardless of what Clarke said? Or would have moaned at the time if he said we're going to be crap all season. Or if he would have said we're looking to consoladate this year in the league or that midtable would have been good enough Nothing, this year, was going to be good enough with sections of the support, because some will not accept that we deserve to be in the conference. I also firmly believe that some, and I'm not saying you, will never accept Clarke and the moment a negative arises will be all over it like a bad rash. Sorry but this wrong. I am one of your moaners and I fully accept we are in The Conference. We DESERVED to go down last season because we often played negative football and we barely looked like scoring. When Clarke took over last season the football was even worse. This season despite still having a good 8 ex- League 2 players in his starting line up the standard of football is markedly worse and again we DONT look like scoring - in open play, corners, free-kicks, on the counter attack nothing - don't you agree ? DC needs to do something about it. It isn't just the forwards it's the QUALITY of the football or the LACK of it that needs addressing.
Of course we deserved to go down last year, don't know if anyone would claim different. I believed we were relegated long before DC even took over and the changes he made (three at the back, two upfront) didn't work but I'd have made the changes myself. Not only was there a lack of goals but also a terrible atmosphere in the dressing room. The style of football didn't relegate us though, Torquay I believe we're actually decent on the eye the times I saw them and they were down well before us. Of course the quality of football is worse. This is the conference. It's a competitive league but realistically the ability is poor. Again people post the negatives and don't embrace we have one of the best defences around and the shape is perfect defensively. I don't say we haven't looked like scoring at all, we could have put four past FGR with 10 men, we need to convert chances. As I've said countless times, I don't care about quality of football this season. Not even Barnet are playing good football, but if we had akinde upfront we'd be top, even playing football they have, because they have a striker with the pace and power to make chances from not a lot. If we can get a decent striker who can put away chances we'll be atleast in the playoffs this year, regardless of style of football.
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Post by buckrippers on Nov 14, 2014 10:12:22 GMT
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Post by Mark Ash on Nov 14, 2014 10:13:30 GMT
The trouble with some people is that they don't just expect the team to try, they don't just expect them to win, they don't just expect them to win by a hatful of goals, they also expect them to do it all with dazzling twinkly-toed style, like we're Real-sodding-Madrid. We are in a dogfight. It's a nasty, muddy, struggling snarlfest, mostly against red-legged steamers who aren't going to be looking up and playing football, but who have their heads down and are hell-bent on stopping anyone doing anything. Get in hard, smack it out, park the tanks in front of goal is what they are about. Supporters who have a faint-hearted, rosy idea of what is needed in this league and how we might get out of it without money, are apparently deciding they'd rather look away. Chuckle. The Mem pitch is a mud bath ain't it ? No, I just put that in for a bit of colour. Poetic licence. Be interesting to see what some other pitches in this league look like come February though.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 14, 2014 10:14:55 GMT
Sorry but this wrong. I am one of your moaners and I fully accept we are in The Conference. We DESERVED to go down last season because we often played negative football and we barely looked like scoring. When Clarke took over last season the football was even worse. This season despite still having a good 8 ex- League 2 players in his starting line up the standard of football is markedly worse and again we DONT look like scoring - in open play, corners, free-kicks, on the counter attack nothing - don't you agree ? DC needs to do something about it. It isn't just the forwards it's the QUALITY of the football or the LACK of it that needs addressing.
It's kind of hard to disagree with what you say here and if I'm honest its how I feel too. It's really difficult to maintain my Pro Club supportive stance. I really want to back the lads to the hilt and I really want to shout you down and dismiss you as just a miserable old Lady garden but we see things the same. I suppose I choose to take solace in the small improvements and league position and I turn a blind eye the other issues and try not to raise them in order to not rock this very unstable boat we are on. You have to remember Mark, you are trying to highlight painful things to hurting people who don't want to see them. I'm not telling you to be silent, but sometimes it feels like you are almost being deliberately blunt with your assessment and harsh reality. We all need to hear a balanced view which does mean being challenged at times. Maybe people would be more willing to hear what you are saying if you softened the blows a little? Or maybe I'm just a delicate flower. I'm never deliberate mate ! I just have forthright views. I sincerely hope we get a GOOD win tomorrow - it will do wonders if we can get at least a couple of goals - but we must also see the players as professionals showing us a little bit of skill and quality passing !? I think Kiddie are there for the taking - one player suspended and they have big financial problems now and may have a few more missing as a result. COME ON GAS !!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 10:25:43 GMT
I really cringed the second you said "It could be one of the red persuasion". Yet another one of our fans blaming things on them when we do something wrong. Our fans need to throw on the big boy pants and realise we aren't perfect, infact we're pretty bloody crap lately. And again about the style debate... Can you mention the last time a Bristol Rovers team played exciting football? Since when does our support depend on the style the team plays. Further still, as I said above, mention a team in this league who plays good football. Also, he said we'd lose games this season. If you didn't accept that we would lose a game against a lower ranked team or a team we shouldn't lose against this season then that's your fault. I predicted two losses against FGR off the bat. I keep seeing we're fourth but we're playing badly. I see we're fourth and nothing else. Because noone else is playing good football and because needs must. Unfortunately, those that are angry shout louder than those who aren't and my positive view on this season probably isn't blog worthy, but then again that's probably why Clarke hears the negative voices, because I've not heard a lot of positive voices this year. As for the Buckle comment, that's quite frankly bullshit. Clarke has said he wants and expects this team to get promoted this season. He hasn't come in, spoke up, failed and then lowered the expectations. Clarke is succeeding in the job at present.
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Post by Mark Ash on Nov 14, 2014 10:27:43 GMT
Or maybe I'm just a delicate flower. Hugo the Elderflower. I've still got it, you know.
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