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Post by oldgas on Jul 30, 2020 18:03:02 GMT
Why does he need to be straight? Unfortunately it seems players and their agents hold all the cards, unless we put a time limit on any offer he knows he can just bide his time, even if we do he probably know damn well if he says in a month or three he'll sign a contract we'll agree probably, probably only P'boro would be brave enough to tell him to do one. It's a shame signed contracts mean nothing these days. Makes you wonder what's the point. I agree Baggs. The only purpose of a contract is to ensure the club with the registration can get a fee. Of course, if the player elects to run the contract down there is sod all the presiding club can do. I'm sure plenty of players in league with their agent employ this tactic to secure a bigger pay out and contract from the new club. Bosman has a lot to answer for. That has massively skewed power to the player and agent and it isn't good for football. And agents are the parasitic scum of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 18:05:47 GMT
It's a shame signed contracts mean nothing these days. Makes you wonder what's the point. I agree Baggs. The only purpose of a contract is to ensure the club with the registration can get a fee. Of course, if the player elects to run the contract down there is sod all the presiding club can do. I'm sure plenty of players in league with their agent employ this tactic to secure a bigger pay out and contract from the new club. Bosman has a lot to answer for. That has massively skewed power to the player and agent and it isn't good for football. And agents are the parasitic scum of the game. I think agents have their place Oldgas. Without them a lot of players would end up signing deals that are bad for them and their families. What grinds my gears is the fact the clubs have to pay! The agents client is the player ffs.
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Post by Gassy on Jul 30, 2020 18:15:10 GMT
I agree Baggs. The only purpose of a contract is to ensure the club with the registration can get a fee. Of course, if the player elects to run the contract down there is sod all the presiding club can do. I'm sure plenty of players in league with their agent employ this tactic to secure a bigger pay out and contract from the new club. Bosman has a lot to answer for. That has massively skewed power to the player and agent and it isn't good for football. And agents are the parasitic scum of the game. I think agents have their place Oldgas. Without them a lot of players would end up signing deals that are bad for them and their families. What grinds my gears is the fact the clubs have to pay! The agents client is the player ffs. Agreed. IMO, if agents instead took a % of the weekly salary (10%?) and weren't allowed to take anything from transfers, then we'd have an overall much healthier system.
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Post by oldgas on Jul 30, 2020 20:19:53 GMT
I think agents have their place Oldgas. Without them a lot of players would end up signing deals that are bad for them and their families. What grinds my gears is the fact the clubs have to pay! The agents client is the player ffs. Agreed. IMO, if agents instead took a % of the weekly salary (10%?) and weren't allowed to take anything from transfers, then we'd have an overall much healthier system. Yeah, I guess you guys are right. It’s just a shame they are allowed to have such an influence. They should be restricted to negotiating a contract once 2 clubs have agreed to trade, and their fee should come from the player. or something similar.
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Post by lpgas1 on Jul 30, 2020 21:21:42 GMT
As for JCH I think he misses Coughlan and the banter they used to have. Cannot imagine Garner getting involved in any banter at all. It will all be down to stats. Personally I dont care about them because if we had a player who didnt run around like a headless chicken and didn't chase the opposition, but scored 25 goals a season I would be happy with that. As a side note I once heard a bloke at the Mem call Cureton "a lazy ****** bastard over and over again. This was the season he won the Golden Boot
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 31, 2020 6:13:32 GMT
I think agents have their place Oldgas. Without them a lot of players would end up signing deals that are bad for them and their families. What grinds my gears is the fact the clubs have to pay! The agents client is the player ffs. Agreed. IMO, if agents instead took a % of the weekly salary (10%?) and weren't allowed to take anything from transfers, then we'd have an overall much healthier system. If JCH signed for a Championship club and tripled his wages the agent would still triple his 10% commission? I doubt JCH would be too upset to pay him the increase! I wonder whether players themselves are all desperate to move around, or its their agents convincing them it's in their interests to move. The proposed wage caps may mess up the agents earnings potential with a bit of luck.
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Post by gregsy on Jul 31, 2020 6:22:49 GMT
As a side note I once heard a bloke at the Mem call Cureton "a lazy ****** bastard over and over again. This was the season he won the Golden Boot When I went to Stockport in 2006 their fans found it hilarious that we'd paid 200k on a 'fat lazy w**ker' called Ricky Lambert....
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Post by Gassy on Jul 31, 2020 6:29:56 GMT
Agreed. IMO, if agents instead took a % of the weekly salary (10%?) and weren't allowed to take anything from transfers, then we'd have an overall much healthier system. If JCH signed for a Championship club and tripled his wages the agent would still triple his 10% commission? I doubt JCH would be too upset to pay him the increase! I wonder whether players themselves are all desperate to move around, or its their agents convincing them it's in their interests to move. The proposed wage caps may mess up the agents earnings potential with a bit of luck. Yep exactly my point, they can earn more as the player does no problem - but they shouldn’t get a nice 100k payout or whatever it is for forcing a move through in the first place. Good shout on the salary cap though, forgot about that
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Post by Gaswood on Jul 31, 2020 6:52:21 GMT
As for JCH I think he misses Coughlan and the banter they used to have. Cannot imagine Garner getting involved in any banter at all. It will all be down to stats. Personally I dont care about them because if we had a player who didnt run around like a headless chicken and didn't chase the opposition, but scored 25 goals a season I would be happy with that. As a side note I once heard a bloke at the Mem call Cureton "a lazy ****** bastard over and over again. This was the season he won the Golden Boot Good point at the end there. Many many games I saw Cureton do absolutely nothing but then score, and that’s alright! Roberts would do all the work, he’d just poke it in. But that’s sometimes it with strikers. Ruud Van Nistelrooy wasn’t exactly graceful with the ball at his feet, often looked clumsy, but was a phenomenal goal scorer.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Jul 31, 2020 7:09:55 GMT
As for JCH I think he misses Coughlan and the banter they used to have. Cannot imagine Garner getting involved in any banter at all. It will all be down to stats. Personally I dont care about them because if we had a player who didnt run around like a headless chicken and didn't chase the opposition, but scored 25 goals a season I would be happy with that. As a side note I once heard a bloke at the Mem call Cureton "a lazy ****** bastard over and over again. This was the season he won the Golden Boot The key word in your first paragraph is imagine...because you don’t know what BG is like with his players away from the cameras. Agreed, re Cureton. I once sat behind a guy at Maine Road who laid into JC about laziness from before the first whistle until about halfway through the second half...when I finally lost it with him and told him in measured tones that I presumed he’d come a long way to get to Manchester to support the team and he’d better start doing so as they’d run themselves ragged preserving a 0-0 score line...or find the return trip encumbered with his stupid hat shoved somewhere that would prevent him from uttering another comment positive or negative! I enjoyed the last quarter of that game best! Got a feeling you were sitting next to me at that one
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Post by neilv93 on Aug 3, 2020 16:26:01 GMT
Not really 'news' but according to Frosty there's "an offer on the table that hasn't been rejected".
As per Live Q&A today: "In regards to Rovers' contract negotiations with JCH, there’s an offer on the table which hasn’t been rejected but obviously with the transfer window only recently opening and Championship and League One clubs beginning to make moves, everyone may have to wait a while for clarity.
But you’d imagine Rovers want a decision one way or the other within the next couple of weeks."
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Post by GasAttacK on Aug 3, 2020 16:38:33 GMT
Westbrooke said he'd discussed the move to Rovers with some of the players he knew from Coventry prior to signing. You would think that would have included JCH. I could be reading to much into it but I wonder whether Westbrooke would have signed if JCH had indicated he was likely to move on?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 3, 2020 16:51:21 GMT
Westbrooke said he'd discussed the move to Rovers with some of the players he knew from Coventry prior to signing. You would think that would have included JCH. I could be reading to much into it but I wonder whether Westbrooke would have signed if JCH had indicated he was likely to move on? Perhaps he hates his guts and only signed if he was leaving!! (that's a joke by the way) . Even if JCH goes I assume BG will be given decent funds to replace him, it's not Wael's banking the cash at the moment.
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Post by legas on Aug 3, 2020 18:13:08 GMT
That wage cap thing applies to signings from 6th August doesn’t it? That’s pretty soon so if nothing has happened before then, then I think the chances of JCH staying must improve?
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Post by eastgas on Aug 3, 2020 18:52:25 GMT
Not really 'news' but according to Frosty there's "an offer on the table that hasn't been rejected". As per Live Q&A today: "In regards to Rovers' contract negotiations with JCH, there’s an offer on the table which hasn’t been rejected but obviously with the transfer window only recently opening and Championship and League One clubs beginning to make moves, everyone may have to wait a while for clarity. But you’d imagine Rovers want a decision one way or the other within the next couple of weeks." I was confident from the start that JCH would sign a new deal, I’m even more confident now after seeing the signings we have made. Each new signing have said they are impressed with the manager, the direction for BRFC moving forward and how BG has sold them a great vision. I’m hopeful the same vision has been sold to JCH and hopeful he has been impressed with the club this summer also
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Post by onedaygas83 on Aug 3, 2020 20:15:29 GMT
I think JCH would be foolish to move during this window after the players we have signed. There is a clear intent from the board and manager to push this club up near the top table and with him pretty much guaranteed to start each game as the clubs main striker (if he can stay fit that is) then I think it would be a mistake on his behalf to not sign an extension to his contract and wait until at least January. He would be a massive loss to us if he were to leave but I think some players more on at the wrong time in their careers and looking at JCH he could do with playing each week with a club like ours and proving that he can stay fit. If he was to move this summer I can see another will Hoskins mark 2
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Post by james246 on Aug 3, 2020 20:59:06 GMT
I think JCH would be foolish to move during this window after the players we have signed. There is a clear intent from the board and manager to push this club up near the top table and with him pretty much guaranteed to start each game as the clubs main striker (if he can stay fit that is) then I think it would be a mistake on his behalf to not sign an extension to his contract and wait until at least January. He would be a massive loss to us if he were to leave but I think some players more on at the wrong time in their careers and looking at JCH he could do with playing each week with a club like ours and proving that he can stay fit. If he was to move this summer I can see another will Hoskins mark 2 Players do what is best for themselves and there loved ones, though if JCH stays he would be part of a very strong looking squad
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 3, 2020 20:59:30 GMT
If somebody came in and offered to triple his wages why would he be foolish to turn it down? Hoskins had a string of unfortunate injuries after he left us there's no reason to think JCH will, particularly how the games improved since Hoskins left.
Whether any team from the Championship comes in for him is another matter, given they didn't last January when he was scoring goals, before his injury, it does make you wonder if they'll bother this summer, plus the L1 sides who can afford his wages seem to be running scared of the proposed wage budget cap.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 4, 2020 5:11:36 GMT
I think JCH would be foolish to move during this window after the players we have signed. There is a clear intent from the board and manager to push this club up near the top table and with him pretty much guaranteed to start each game as the clubs main striker (if he can stay fit that is) then I think it would be a mistake on his behalf to not sign an extension to his contract and wait until at least January. He would be a massive loss to us if he were to leave but I think some players more on at the wrong time in their careers and looking at JCH he could do with playing each week with a club like ours and proving that he can stay fit. If he was to move this summer I can see another will Hoskins mark 2 I think that is a naive comment to make without knowing all the facts. Just say hypothetically he is offered 3 times as much by a championship club then why would he stay here? At the end of the day, that is mainly what it comes down to. EDIT: Just seen Topper has pretty much said the same as me above (quite scary that we agree!!!)
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Post by Qatar Gas on Aug 4, 2020 6:50:30 GMT
If we offer him more now and he signs before the wage cap deadline is the increase not included in our budget or does the rule only apply to new signings and not contract extensions?
If the wage cap deadline is soon I cannot see another league one club being able to offer much more than we can. I would understand last season if the chance came to move to a bigger league one side tipped for promotion when we were predicting mid table at best for us but with the signings we have made it’s completely different this year.
As others have said, it all depends if a championship club comes in for him where they can offer at least double the wages. You can’t begrudge a player wanting to take that sort of offer.
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