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Post by Jomo on Aug 27, 2020 8:17:02 GMT
We’ve been trying to get him to sign for 11 months according to the post...he clearly doesn’t want to sign The Post said "talks stalled in the autumn due to Clarke-Harris' injury and concerns that an expensive extension could cause issues regarding Profit & Sustainability." Which is fair enough if true. We have to be careful with regards to players holding us to ransom and blowing our budget structure, especially in these times. No player is bigger than the club, and if they won't sign a contract, we have to try and cash in before it's too late.
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Post by pirate on Aug 27, 2020 8:18:35 GMT
The Post said "talks stalled in the autumn due to Clarke-Harris' injury and concerns that an expensive extension could cause issues regarding Profit & Sustainability." Which is fair enough if true. We have to be careful with regards to players holding us to ransom and blowing our budget structure, especially in these times. No player is bigger than the club, and if they won't sign a contract, we have to try and cash in before it's too late. I don't think we showed enough intent with the contract.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 27, 2020 8:21:25 GMT
Really not that disappointed with this. He was a good player for us and will wish him all the best. But he was uninterested from Christmas onwards last year and we’ve finally got a reasonable fee for a player instead of losing them for peanuts.
However it is essential we now get a decent striker in in the next couple of weeks. As the only 2 we have at the minute have barely 100 league minutes between them.
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Post by hartcliffegas on Aug 27, 2020 8:22:11 GMT
Credit card maxed, need to pay the wages, wouldn't be surprised if Coventry haven't a big sell on, he came on a free after all. The mentor will have to do some mentoring now, but no need to worry, the mentor will find plenty of positives out of the sale. No ball winner in midfield, no goal scorer, 9 centre backs in the squad, mom week in week out this coming season the flying fin, can't wait. One more sale to pay wages for another month before October deadline, Kilgour ? There is no sell on fee due to Coventry
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Post by Jomo on Aug 27, 2020 8:22:14 GMT
Which is fair enough if true. We have to be careful with regards to players holding us to ransom and blowing our budget structure, especially in these times. No player is bigger than the club, and if they won't sign a contract, we have to try and cash in before it's too late. I don't think we showed enough intent with the contract. If they offered him the most we could under our structure (I don't know if they did or not) then there's nothing more we could have done, without completely undermining our own policies. I'd love it if we spent money like it's going out of fashion, but the fact is we're trying to become more sustainable. I don't have a problem with that. Brentford sold Maupay last summer, and moved on. They'll probably sell Watkins and Benrahma soon enough, and I think they'll still be OK. Let's hope we can do the same.
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Post by Gasshole on Aug 27, 2020 8:22:46 GMT
The Post said "talks stalled in the autumn due to Clarke-Harris' injury and concerns that an expensive extension could cause issues regarding Profit & Sustainability." Which is fair enough if true. We have to be careful with regards to players holding us to ransom and blowing our budget structure, especially in these times. No player is bigger than the club, and if they won't sign a contract, we have to try and cash in before it's too late. That’s sustainable football right there.
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Post by oldgas on Aug 27, 2020 8:24:39 GMT
Do you think we could have gotten more? In a few months he could have agreed a move elsewhere and gone for nothing at the end of the season. Unless we held a gun to his head and made him sign a contract I can't see what more could be done. Nobody is going to pay a L1 club £5m for a player who's got less than a year on his contract. I think we could have gotten a bit more, but he should have been tied down to a longer contract way before now, so we aren't left in this similar position where we lose our best players for less than we should be getting. It is happening time and time again in recent years. Very frustrating. Sorry, pedant alert! Its not gotten, its got, or if you want to use a longer word, obtained, acquired, purchased, etc etc. We’re not in America.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 27, 2020 8:28:00 GMT
Regardless of everything else, we can’t keep selling our best players if we are ever going to progress. Every year it’s one step forward and two steps back. Appreciate it may be good business on paper to get good money for JCH with his injuries but our ongoing history to never adequately replace these players and put money back into transfers makes this completely underwhelming. Hope I’m proven wrong. UTG! This "we can't keep selling our best players" thing has been done to death over the years. Every club is a selling club given the right price and circumstances. Literally every club. What makes Bristol Rovers any different? Providing we have a succession plan, there's no reason we can't continue to sell our best players and progress all the same. We need to sell players to be sustainable in the future, so we'll always be doing it. The majority of clubs at whatever level are selling clubs, i've got no issue with that. My issue is who we sell them too, we've sold our last 3 good strikers to our fiercest rivals, and 2 Divisional rivals. It's getting tedious. Edit: Just realised we sold Ellis to Ipswich who were in The Championship at the time and it was them who sold him to Pompey, but my point still stands
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Post by hartcliffegas on Aug 27, 2020 8:32:51 GMT
This "we can't keep selling our best players" thing has been done to death over the years. Every club is a selling club given the right price and circumstances. Literally every club. What makes Bristol Rovers any different? Providing we have a succession plan, there's no reason we can't continue to sell our best players and progress all the same. We need to sell players to be sustainable in the future, so we'll always be doing it. The majority of clubs at whatever level are selling clubs, i've got no issue with that. My issue is who we sell them too, we've sold our last 3 good strikers to our fiercest rivals, and 2 Divisional rivals. It's getting tedious. Edit: Just realised we sold Ellis to Ipswich who were in The Championship at the time and it was them who sold him to Pompey, but my point still stands Plenty of precedents, Ashley Cole, Giroud, Sanchez, Mata the list goes on and on of players going to fierce rivals, its football
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Post by Jomo on Aug 27, 2020 8:33:26 GMT
This "we can't keep selling our best players" thing has been done to death over the years. Every club is a selling club given the right price and circumstances. Literally every club. What makes Bristol Rovers any different? Providing we have a succession plan, there's no reason we can't continue to sell our best players and progress all the same. We need to sell players to be sustainable in the future, so we'll always be doing it. The majority of clubs at whatever level are selling clubs, i've got no issue with that. My issue is who we sell them too, we've sold our last 3 good strikers to our fiercest rivals, and 2 Divisional rivals. It's getting tedious. Edit: Just realised we sold Ellis to Ipswich who were in The Championship at the time and it was them who sold him to Pompey, but my point still stands We sold Taylor, Bodin and Ellis too cheaply, I'd agree with that. All 3 were sold to the Championship. We've sold JCH to Posh, so what? If no Championship clubs were in for him and we needed to sell in order to get a profit on him, are we going to say no to L1 clubs? I'd suggest that would be cutting off our nose to spite our face. If Posh have the money to pay us what we want, the fact they're in the same division as us is no more than a minor inconvenience.
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Post by blueridge on Aug 27, 2020 8:36:30 GMT
You would thing BG and TW have a list already drawn up. The question is now, how much do they get to reinvest? Could well be Jordy Hiwula on a free - still looking for a club I believe.
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Post by thegasareback on Aug 27, 2020 8:41:16 GMT
I’d love to see Callum Morton here. Looks exactly the right fit for what we need with the way BG wants us to set up.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 27, 2020 8:41:53 GMT
The majority of clubs at whatever level are selling clubs, i've got no issue with that. My issue is who we sell them too, we've sold our last 3 good strikers to our fiercest rivals, and 2 Divisional rivals. It's getting tedious. Edit: Just realised we sold Ellis to Ipswich who were in The Championship at the time and it was them who sold him to Pompey, but my point still stands We sold Taylor, Bodin and Ellis too cheaply, I'd agree with that. All 3 were sold to the Championship. We've sold JCH to Posh, so what? If no Championship clubs were in for him and we needed to sell in order to get a profit on him, are we going to say no to L1 clubs? I'd suggest that would be cutting off our nose to spite our face. If Posh have the money to pay us what we want, the fact they're in the same division as us is no more than a minor inconvenience. The same posters would be complaining if we sold JCH to Preston for £500K next January, anything over £1m seems a good deal for a player we got on a free, who's done little since GC quit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 8:42:59 GMT
Fee is rubbish D Mac said in December he was worth 2m plus add ons, Geoff D RIP would have got 3m for him. Like when Taylor went the replacement has to be decent and match ready,not someone who just wants to play for Bristol Reindeers 😂🦌🦌 Key words ‘in December’. Contract now shorter than it was then and could have left for free in January.
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Post by Goose on Aug 27, 2020 8:43:13 GMT
I'd much rather have a player here who wants to be here and will play for the shirt, the team and the fans, rather than having one eye on the next move.
The club is looking to become more sustainable.. he didn't want to sign, so it was a case of getting what we could now and get someone else in PDQ before the season starts.
I also wasn't overly disappointed with this. Just another opportunity to keep up the great incoming signings this window.
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Post by jungleboogie on Aug 27, 2020 8:43:26 GMT
Not fussed that he's gone. Good money for a bloke that looks 2 stone over weight in pre-season, and can 'breakdown' at any moment once the season starts. Yes, he got us some important goals, but fingers crossed the replacement can do the same. That said, the style of football we seem to be trying to play this season, hopefully the goals will come from all over the park, and not just the old 'lump it up to JCH to see what he can do'. UTG.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 27, 2020 8:44:57 GMT
The majority of clubs at whatever level are selling clubs, i've got no issue with that. My issue is who we sell them too, we've sold our last 3 good strikers to our fiercest rivals, and 2 Divisional rivals. It's getting tedious. Edit: Just realised we sold Ellis to Ipswich who were in The Championship at the time and it was them who sold him to Pompey, but my point still stands Plenty of precedents, Ashley Cole, Giroud, Sanchez, Mata the list goes on and on of players going to fierce rivals, its football All of them bar one from Arsenal. The only big club renowned for it. Mata was surplus to requirements. Maybe deep down JCH was surplus to requirements in BG's mind, If BG didn't want him around and JCH wanted to go then fair enough I guess, we've got over £1M for him. But from where i'm sat it looks like we've been mugged and our pants pulled down again. Anyway i'll reserve judgement and hopefully we already have an adequate replacement lined up, and we show some intent.
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Post by buktaboy on Aug 27, 2020 8:46:44 GMT
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Post by TAGas on Aug 27, 2020 8:54:27 GMT
I too, find it a little off that I'm not really that disappointed with this.
Fee is not ideal, but not the worse business we've done, but we all know he doesn't want to be here and its reported hes going to be Peterboroughs highest earner and more than what we offered. Gone for the money? Yep seems that kind of player. Will he be at Peterborough long probably not has he likes to move around.
Good striker for us not going to deny that.
My only worry is and is always the case with Rovers when we sell a striker. How much we got and who can we attract as a replacement?
I do agree with a lot of people on here in that we need 2 strikers
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Post by james246 on Aug 27, 2020 9:04:23 GMT
I am not sure where anyone got the idea that JCH had an attitude problem - he was always up for the Rovers cause and made sure his opposing defenders on the field knew it. A great player who gave the team a real cutting edge, I hope one day he plays for us again.
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