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Post by peterhooper57 on Sept 1, 2020 12:47:36 GMT
Most of us would agree that this transfer window has been one of the most productive and exciting we've ever had, and most of the players signed so far seem to be coming here because they buy into the vision of Ben Garner and/or the coaching setup. A lot of people are saying all we need now is a proven goalscorer (or 2) to really compete this season, and I completely agree, we need goals in this team. The problem I've got with this view, is that we never seem to sign proven goalscorers, in fact, when was the last time we did sign one? If anyone can give me some names of players we've signed who fit this bill, I'd be interested to hear them? The most we'll be able to afford is another JCH, ie a player who Widdrington can see has goals in them, but had never been given the chance to prove it. Smash & Grab, Andy Rammell, Sir Rickie .....
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 1, 2020 12:48:25 GMT
Shaun Penny
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 1, 2020 12:54:01 GMT
It depends what you consider a proven goalscorer.
I don't think we've ever signed a "Proven goalscorer" really. We sign ones who we believe we can improve and hopefully become proven goalscorers with ourselves.
Possibly Cureton who had already scored goals at Premier League level, Possibly Lambert who had a good season at Rochdale.
I wouldn't call Grazioli, Agogo, Jo Kuffour etc proven goalscorers, they all averaged a goal every 4 games or so at Football League level.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Sept 1, 2020 12:54:55 GMT
Which all goes to show there is no guarantee with any transfer. Some work out, others donβt. Just have to hope that TW and his team do their homework about the player. All players have to be dealt with individually whether they have scored lots of goals or not or have potential to do well. If it were easy to get those players football would be far easier, but itβs not. UTG! I agree 100%. Let's not demand a proven goal scorer, but more a player who fits in with our system, and scores goals for us, not just the team they used to play for, where they may have played a completely different style of football.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 1, 2020 13:07:58 GMT
Robin Stubbs? Mick Channon!
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Post by albaron on Sept 1, 2020 13:11:26 GMT
Jason Roberts ( proven at Torquay ) Barry Hayles.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 1, 2020 13:12:20 GMT
I don't think we could afford a proven 20+ goal man if they exist and they would be going to clubs higher up the pyramid anyway so we are looking at potential and my point is we already have those players with potential so why buy any one else?
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Post by RD on Sept 1, 2020 13:21:37 GMT
I don't think we could afford a proven 20+ goal man if they exist and they would be going to clubs higher up the pyramid anyway so we are looking at potential and my point is we already have those players with potential so why buy any one else? Of course it's not to say they couldn't do the business. However, I think it would be criminally naive to go in to the season with a set of strikers who haven't scored a goal in L1 and have a handful of football league appearances between them. That's one hell of a gamble. Not to mention the amount of pressure you'd be putting on their young, inexperienced shoulders - it could end up doing them more harm than good. I agree with the above posts that we can't possibly guarantee anyone we bring in will score X goals - regardless of how much cash we splash. But IMO, logically speaking bringing someone in who has experience of L1 and has scored goals at this level - OR has maybe scored buckets of goals at L2 level (maybe for a couple of seasons) you'd expect them to have a decent shout of doing the business for us (even if there are of course no guarantees - there never are).
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Post by Westy on Sept 1, 2020 13:37:07 GMT
I would have Jermaine Easter, Junior Agogo, Jo Kuffour, Rickie Lambert all down as proven goalscorers before they joined the club. I am sure there are others. We've got the money from the JCH sale so we should be able to get at least someone with a decent track record of scoring goals before imo. I'd be willing to bet my bottom dollar the money from JCH has already been allocated to the new signings wages, and that we'll never see a transfer fee paid from our kitty for the rest of the season
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Sept 1, 2020 13:56:50 GMT
Derek Riordan.
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Post by alanrg on Sept 1, 2020 13:57:42 GMT
Nathan Ellington
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Post by pirate on Sept 1, 2020 14:03:30 GMT
I don't think we could afford a proven 20+ goal man if they exist and they would be going to clubs higher up the pyramid anyway so we are looking at potential and my point is we already have those players with potential so why buy any one else? One of those with 'potential' is 23-years-old and never played a football league game in his career, couldn't score at u23 level for Brighton, the season before last only managed 6 goals in 33 National League games, before that got 4 goals in 23 games in the Irish League and 1 goal in 10 league games for Burgess Hill Town in the Isthmian League.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Sept 1, 2020 15:21:35 GMT
Ellington had scored zero goals before arriving at Rovers, so I won't take that one π
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Post by Keynsham Rover on Sept 1, 2020 15:35:10 GMT
I don't think we could afford a proven 20+ goal man if they exist and they would be going to clubs higher up the pyramid anyway so we are looking at potential and my point is we already have those players with potential so why buy any one else? One of those with 'potential' is 23-years-old and never played a football league game in his career, couldn't score at u23 level for Brighton, the season before last only managed 6 goals in 33 National League games, before that got 4 goals in 23 games in the Irish League and 1 goal in 10 league games for Burgess Hill Town in the Isthmian League. Not too optimistic about Ayunga then? π
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Post by pirate on Sept 1, 2020 16:06:56 GMT
One of those with 'potential' is 23-years-old and never played a football league game in his career, couldn't score at u23 level for Brighton, the season before last only managed 6 goals in 33 National League games, before that got 4 goals in 23 games in the Irish League and 1 goal in 10 league games for Burgess Hill Town in the Isthmian League. Not too optimistic about Ayunga then? π Could prove to be a good signing long term hopefully, but to rely on him scoring goals immediately after stepping up 3 levels would be putting too much pressure on the lad and unrealistic expectations given his previous experience.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 1, 2020 16:34:05 GMT
John Taylor Scott McGleish Derek Riordan Jamie White Even Payne and Zebroski had good seasons immediately before we signed them. Apologies to Taylor for being grouped with the others on this list. Needless to say it doesnβt always work out. John Taylor was great for us, especially that floppy limbed celebration he used to do from time to time!
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Post by brads213 on Sept 1, 2020 16:44:30 GMT
Bruno , billy ocean , Boris smash and grab , mick channon
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 1, 2020 16:46:33 GMT
What teams in our league have signed a proven goal scorer?
No mid-table L1 clubs like ours ever do unless they are seriously on the way up and backed with cash.
The big boys dropping out of the championship will do as well but L1 is a selling league, not a buying one for most of us.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Sept 1, 2020 16:48:19 GMT
Bruno , billy ocean , Boris smash and grab , mick channon Would say Devon White was proven nor was Carl Saunders at the time
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Post by irenegas on Sept 1, 2020 17:13:35 GMT
Will Hoskins has got a be in there
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