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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 23, 2021 20:50:13 GMT
Those 4 who picked BG are on a wind up. Blame Tisdales selections all you like but ultimately his hands are tied.
BG chose the side that we went into September with and that was a side with 1 senior striker.
Tisdale is obviously doing his best to bring one in but it’s a big ask at the best of times let alone in January.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 20:50:17 GMT
I will leave you to do the research on all footballers who have had covid and how they have recovered etc etc etc. In fact you will probably struggle to find the names of most who have had the virus, confidentiality laws etc. Good luck with that! Good luck with that! Plenty have been named, I'm certain the Newcastle players suffering long term haven't returned and played 90 minutes before disappearing again. Clutching at straws topper? Perhaps you are right all along and he just does not want to be here? Perhaps you could contact the club and let them know that,.
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Post by darkbluegas on Jan 23, 2021 20:50:57 GMT
Bearing in mind that sacking PT would cost another big wedge. Which would at least be better spent on a player. I’m sure he’d split the pay-off with his mate Starnes
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Post by rosssgb on Jan 23, 2021 21:05:32 GMT
I’m willing to give PT time however these lineups have got to improve. If we’re going to keep losing we have to at least give it a go! 6 defenders and 2 defensive midfielders yet we lose 2-0, absolutely embarrassing.
Long long season ahead if he doesn’t change things quickly.
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Post by graceyboy on Jan 23, 2021 21:13:45 GMT
The problem is that this is BGs team and squad.. He signed so many players in the summer, no doubt on big wages with 2 year contracts in their pockets and apart from hanlan and tutonda, they've been shockingly bad. PT can't just release them and bring his own in, it would bankrupt us. The changes need to be gradual. All those on here trumpeting zain westbrooke like he was the second coming are left with egg over their faces now as are those who said they wouldn't have matty taylor back because of stupid pride. What we'd do for a goalscorer now.
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Post by surreygas4 on Jan 23, 2021 21:59:32 GMT
Thought it at the time, and am even more incredulous about it now, but the decision to promote Tommy W when we sacked BG was bizarre (BG had to go by the way, if anything we waited too long!). He must take a great deal of responsibility for the squad that has been assembled and the quality of the players signed.
The model was to sign young players who had the potential to be developed and then sold on for a decent sum further down the line. Clearly we took this too far and failed to balance the squad with experience, but i see the logic.
However, we're now pretty much half way through the season and if I'm honest, i don't see many with the potential to fit this model i.e. Move on to a higher level and/or generate a decent transfer fee for the club. Questions have to be asked about the quality of the recruitment by TW.
I've watched every game apart from the pizza cup games so far this season. Defensively I've not been impressed with any of the new players. In midfield, Grant has been poor most weeks and Westbrooke has been massively underwhelming (mostly anonymous). Mccormick has started to show that he will probably develop into a decent championship player, but he's not even ours. Haven't seen enough of Barrett but neither manager this season has seemingly trusted him...
Going forward, Nicholson has the ability to make things happen, has scored a couple of quality goals and clearly has the talent to play at a higher level. However, there are obvious fitness issues that could affect his development and value. Daly has scored some brilliant poachers goals showing anticipation and great finishing, but - and its a huge but- he appears to be injury prone and there are clear issues with his fitness. Ayunga; seems harsh to judge him given where he was playing last year and this is a big step up, but we went into this season with three strikers so BG and TW must have planned on him playing fairly regularly. He's raw and imo far away from being good enough to play at this level.
We've been left with a squad of seemingly limited ability which is unbalanced eg the left back debacle. We have to trust in PT but based on recent performances, and displays under BG, relegation is a very real possibility with this group of players.
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Post by graceyboy on Jan 23, 2021 22:05:28 GMT
Great points Surrey. I agree entirely. Widdrington does need to be accountable as head of recruitment for the rubbish that's been brought in.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 23, 2021 22:08:56 GMT
Is Andy Rammel available?
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 23, 2021 22:11:49 GMT
Bearing in mind that sacking PT would cost another big wedge. Which would at least be better spent on a player. But being relegated would cost us £1m+, it would be interesting to know what players are being lined up and are prepared to join PT in a relegation battle. If he's struggling to convince quality players to join him then a new manager may be the cheaper option. The chances of sacking PT, getting in a quality manager who would then need to convince quality players to come look pretty slim before the transfer window closes.
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Post by GasAttacK on Jan 23, 2021 22:32:04 GMT
Today is the first time I seriously questioned some of PT's decisions but posts and threads debating whether he should stay or go are pointless because there is no way he's getting the sack. Nor do I think he should. As others have said, he inherited a very poor unbalanced squad and can ill afford to be without Jaakkola, Oztumer, Nicholson and Daly.
Any manager would struggle with this group. Not one of the defensive signings have improved us. Ehmer is okay but I'd still prefer Craig. Baldwin and Harries are liabilities and Leahy is still our best left back despite us signing two more.
Grant and Westbrooke are a complete waste of wages. In most games you hardly know they're on the pitch and neither are likely to help get us pull away from this relegation battle. Barrett and Liddle are even worse. O.Clarke and Sercombe would walk into this team.
Only Hanlan of our strikers had previously played league football and even he often played on the wing. Daly shows promise but seems to be injury prone and Ayunga doesn't look like a league 1 striker after making the big step up from non league.
We have to make at least 2 signings that improve our starting 11 this week if we're going to have any chance of staying up and one has to be a quality strike partner for Hanlan.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Jan 23, 2021 22:37:37 GMT
Good shout, and the new manager would still have the same players... ....and the same head of recruitment Thing is though, the job of a Head of Recruitment is to go get (recruit) players that fit the spec given by the manager (the chap that picks the team); if the manager keeps asking for left-backs, that’s what he’s going to get offered. It’s the manager’s job to identify areas where the team needs strengthening, manage the coaching staff, oversee the development of the team, etc. What is it with this simplistic FIFA21/Football Manager way of looking at things that a lot of posters on here have? Maybe TW is in a position now, having been raised to the Board, where he can directly challenge the manager’s authority and question the choice of player, but I bet that wasn’t the case when Garner was manager. We are in sh** order because of Garner’s mishandling of the team and Tisdale is now having to pick up and construct a coherent picture out of the pieces of a jigsaw that wasn’t even complete when he took over Garner’s mess. We were never going to instantly turn the corner when Tis took over because there’s just too much imbalance with this squad, and anyone who is currently feeling aggrieved because we’re not top 6 is living in La-La-Land. I’m sure Wael knows how dodgy our position is, and I’m sure Tis does too; and I’m also sure they will do whatever they can to avoid us going down to L2. Let’s just see what happens with getting in a striker (or 2), etc., before we start demanding people’s heads . . .
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Post by olskooltoteender on Jan 23, 2021 22:39:53 GMT
Great points Surrey. I agree entirely. Widdrington does need to be accountable as head of recruitment for the rubbish that's been brought in. Widdrington didn’t sign those players though, did he?
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Post by graceyboy on Jan 23, 2021 23:22:51 GMT
Great points Surrey. I agree entirely. Widdrington does need to be accountable as head of recruitment for the rubbish that's been brought in. Widdrington didn’t sign those players though, did he? The guy is head of recruitment.. He tells the manager wh has been scouted and is up to scratch and worth signing.. He's substandard at his job plain and simple
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Post by graceyboy on Jan 23, 2021 23:31:04 GMT
I'm just fed up with the likes of Tom nichols and zain westbroke coming in on big wages and being total flops. Where are the Stuart sinclairs and matty Taylors? They must be in the non league and not hard to find with a decent scouting network which I fear is where we are lacking. The boy alfie may did well for Cheltenham today. Why aren't we looking at players like that? We were linked with jayden stockley earlier this week.. Another 6ft something target man with a poor goalscoring record. We've lost the plot re decent scouting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 23:41:59 GMT
The big difference for me is that Tisdale will undoubtedly be trying to keep some confidence in the squad. He isn’t an idiot, Garner however was an idiot (in managerial terms at least). As much as we want Tisdale to tell it how it is right now we’re getting to the crunch time and he needs to bolster what little confidence the players have. I dunno, as much as I’d rather have Tisdale over Garner we knew Tisdale’s record at this level wasn’t the best. Can’t help but think we’ve been preparing for league 2 since Garner left. It’s just an amateur set up all across the board and we’re reaping the “rewards” of thinking we knew better than to hire a man with no managerial experience. Why's it "amateur" ignoring the Mem the whole set up is light years ahead of the Higgs era, decent training facilities, coaches, medical staff, etc Given that we've no crowds this season I doubt the day to day set up for players must be similar at most L1 clubs, apart from the likes of Sunderland and Ipswich, do Peterborough and Lincoln have better training facilities etc? I wasn’t on about the facilities, just the brains that are in charge of the football side of things. They inherited DC and arguably they got lucky with GC as he made it a no brainer to give him the job after a successful caretaker spell. The two times they have had to choose their own man for the job it looks like they have ballsed it up, although I’m probably being a bit harsh writing Tisdale off on the back of a run of 5 defeats- he has inherited a load of sh** in terms of a playing squad. Even then though the Exeter and MK Dons fans seem to have been very accurate in their criticism of him.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Jan 23, 2021 23:48:27 GMT
Widdrington didn’t sign those players though, did he? The guy is head of recruitment.. He tells the manager wh has been scouted and is up to scratch and worth signing.. He's substandard at his job plain and simple Granted the bloke puts files on potential players to the manager, but it's the manager who has the final say. Otherwise he's not really the manager, is he?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 23:50:24 GMT
I'm just fed up with the likes of Tom nichols and zain westbroke coming in on big wages and being total flops. Where are the Stuart sinclairs and matty Taylors? They must be in the non league and not hard to find with a decent scouting network which I fear is where we are lacking. The boy alfie may did well for Cheltenham today. Why aren't we looking at players like that? We were linked with jayden stockley earlier this week.. Another 6ft something target man with a poor goalscoring record. We've lost the plot re decent scouting. I totally agree, if I were in charge, money was tight and I could only commit big resources to one area of the club I think I’d be investing heavily in scouting. We want to be league leaders in producing our own talent- fine. But surely to do that, given the vast failure rate of young players who don’t make it, you need to have a top notch scouting set up?! I’m fairly certain that Widdrington is not the man for that job and he’s proving it with the intake of players over the summer. He did well recruiting for a GC agricultural style team of long ball merchants but he’s not proving to have an eye for a young player who can come in and make a difference while learning his craft. If we’re going to pursue this strategy we need to improve our expertise off the pitch in terms of identifying young players who have the right attitude. It seems to me that the likes of Harries and Grant don’t have the attitude never mind the talent to succeed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 23:53:26 GMT
The guy is head of recruitment.. He tells the manager wh has been scouted and is up to scratch and worth signing.. He's substandard at his job plain and simple Granted the bloke puts files on potential players to the manager, but it's the manager who has the final say. Otherwise he's not really the manager, is he? If you offer the manager 10 Crap players then the manager is inevitably going to sign a crap player isn’t he? I can’t get my head round how people can separate Widdrington from the issue of poor recruitment when recruitment is the man’s job. How would you evaluate his performance if he can’t be judged on the players the manager is signing? (Genuine question) It’s effectively saying he’s got a job for life because it’s always the manager’s fault for picking the wrong player
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Post by yattongas on Jan 23, 2021 23:53:28 GMT
He wasn’t my choice by a long way , in fact I actively didn’t want him. That aside ..... I’m prepared to give him a good run of time like will & do any new manager and hope I’m Proven wrong .
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 23, 2021 23:55:31 GMT
I remember when Ehmer, Westbrooke, Hanlan, Baldwin, and Grant were signed everyone said we were assembling a squad capable of promotion based on the reputation and data we could all look at across various websites at the time. In fact we were all stunned to get Westbrooke.
These players dont become bad players overnight. SO it must be down to the coaching.
Some interesting numbers here from this season:
Ben Garner
Played 11 Won 3 Drew 3 Lost 5
Tisdale
Played 10 Won 3 Drew 1 Lost 6
We were actually better off under Garner if that was entirely possible, but its worth noting that Garner had played 4 of the top 6 in that first 11 games and Tisdale has played 5 of the bottom 10. Which means Tisdale must take a long hard look at himself and his management.
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