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Post by bigal40 on Feb 3, 2021 11:40:19 GMT
Perhaps we need to look at the coaches. They seem to be getting away with the flak.if they are the ones who spend time with the players on the training ground is it them who need looking at and removing from the picture. The bench on matchday seems to overflow with invisible men in tracksuits. A whittling of them may help This exactly. What hasn't changed since BG has left? The back room staff, mesure, maher and Mansell maybe they are the problem. They are with the players in training. If Tisdal does go which I believe he won't then the lot of them should go. The Managers job is to pick the team, motivate the players and ultimately responsible for results. Blaming TW (not blameless I know) or the Coaching staff is a cop out IMO.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 3, 2021 11:41:16 GMT
This exactly. What hasn't changed since BG has left? The back room staff, mesure, maher and Mansell maybe they are the problem. They are with the players in training. If Tisdal does go which I believe he won't then the lot of them should go. The Managers job is to pick the team, motivate the players and ultimately responsible for results. Blaming TW (not blameless I know) or the Coaching staff is a cop out IMO. Maher was part of the GC era. He gets credit for that surely?
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Post by pucklegas on Feb 3, 2021 11:42:29 GMT
Need to play a different team Saturday I would change everyone except Nicholson.luke and Hanlan
JVS
Hare Little Baldwin Koiki
Tutonda Hargreaves McCormick Nicholson
Daly Hanlan
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 3, 2021 11:43:03 GMT
Come to think of it, when was our last successful external appointment? Depending on how you define it, say, Bert Tann.
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Post by axegas on Feb 3, 2021 11:43:58 GMT
Come to think of it, when was our last successful external appointment? I wanted an internal appointment when GC left in order to maintain continuity, but the board went with BG, which I obviously wanted to work but sadly it was a car crash. I think the damage was too heavy and I think Tisdale is proving to be incapable of turning it around. Ian Holloway when he returned to the club as player-manager in 1996 was probably the last successful external appointment but even that was a bit internal given the fact he had played almost 300 games for Rovers at that point and was Gashead through and through.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 11:47:20 GMT
This exactly. What hasn't changed since BG has left? The back room staff, mesure, maher and Mansell maybe they are the problem. They are with the players in training. If Tisdal does go which I believe he won't then the lot of them should go. The Managers job is to pick the team, motivate the players and ultimately responsible for results. Blaming TW (not blameless I know) or the Coaching staff is a cop out IMO. Not if there is division between the Manager and the coaching staff. Wael will have to make decisions very quickly if that is the case whether to allow Tisdale to bring in his own people, remove Tisdale or bin the lot of them. The one thing that isn't changing is the squad and somebody needs to get them performing within a whisker of gaining some league points very soon.
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 3, 2021 11:47:37 GMT
Come to think of it, when was our last successful external appointment? I wanted an internal appointment when GC left in order to maintain continuity, but the board went with BG, which I obviously wanted to work but sadly it was a car crash. I think the damage was too heavy and I think Tisdale is proving to be incapable of turning it around. Ian Holloway when he returned to the club as player-manager in 1996 was probably the last successful external appointment but even that was a bit internal given the fact he had played almost 300 games for Rovers at that point and was Gashead through and through. osman and broadhurst did a good job to keep us up one season. Does that count as a success?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 3, 2021 11:47:49 GMT
Come to think of it, when was our last successful external appointment? I wanted an internal appointment when GC left in order to maintain continuity, but the board went with BG, which I obviously wanted to work but sadly it was a car crash. I think the damage was too heavy and I think Tisdale is proving to be incapable of turning it around. Ian Holloway when he returned to the club as player-manager in 1996 was probably the last successful external appointment but even that was a bit internal given the fact he had played almost 300 games for Rovers at that point and was Gashead through and through. Yeah, if you don't count him, or John Ward mk1, then you really have to go back to Bert Tann.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 3, 2021 11:51:23 GMT
Ian Holloway when he returned to the club as player-manager in 1996 was probably the last successful external appointment but even that was a bit internal given the fact he had played almost 300 games for Rovers at that point and was Gashead through and through. Yeah, if you don't count him, or John Ward mk1, then you really have to go back to Bert Tann. Holloway and Francis were ex-employees of the club. I'd argue Ward v1.0 was successful and arguably the best performing manager post-Francis for getting within 90 minutes of reaching the second tier.
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Post by gregsy on Feb 3, 2021 11:51:44 GMT
The only thing I can see coming out of this is that if we get relegated we will have so many candidates to choose from for who's fault it is, and we can all have a massive fight about it....
2011 déjà vu
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 11:54:44 GMT
Come to think of it, when was our last successful external appointment? I wanted an internal appointment when GC left in order to maintain continuity, but the board went with BG, which I obviously wanted to work but sadly it was a car crash. I think the damage was too heavy and I think Tisdale is proving to be incapable of turning it around. Lennie Lawrence.
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Post by bigal40 on Feb 3, 2021 11:56:00 GMT
The Managers job is to pick the team, motivate the players and ultimately responsible for results. Blaming TW (not blameless I know) or the Coaching staff is a cop out IMO. Not if there is division between the Manager and the coaching staff. Wael will have to make decisions very quickly if that is the case whether to allow Tisdale to bring in his own people, remove Tisdale or bin the lot of them. The one thing that isn't changing is the squad and somebody needs to get them performing within a whisker of gaining some league points very soon. Agree Wael needs to make a decision but not sure what the coaching staff have got to do with Tisdale being capable of motivating the players and selecting the right players. At the end of the day the buck stops with the manager in my eyes.
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Post by kruger on Feb 3, 2021 11:57:34 GMT
If Tisdale goes we have a chance, if he stays then next year we will be playing teams like FGR, I won't be there especially as they can do something about it now.
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Post by Biggsy on Feb 3, 2021 11:57:45 GMT
Ian Holloway when he returned to the club as player-manager in 1996 was probably the last successful external appointment but even that was a bit internal given the fact he had played almost 300 games for Rovers at that point and was Gashead through and through. Yeah, if you don't count him, or John Ward mk1, then you really have to go back to Bert Tann. And even then Bert Tann was the first team coach under manager Brough Fletcher.
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 3, 2021 11:58:54 GMT
If Tisdale goes we have a chance, if he stays then next year we will be playing teams like FGR, I won't be there especially as they can do something about it now. may not be fgr.they could replace us at the end of the season
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 12:00:23 GMT
Not if there is division between the Manager and the coaching staff. Wael will have to make decisions very quickly if that is the case whether to allow Tisdale to bring in his own people, remove Tisdale or bin the lot of them. The one thing that isn't changing is the squad and somebody needs to get them performing within a whisker of gaining some league points very soon. Agree Wael needs to make a decision but not sure what the coaching staff have got to do with Tisdale being capable of motivating the players and selecting the right players. At the end of the day the buck stops with the manager in my eyes. If the coaching staff aren't working in harmony with the manager then it has everything to do with it. Division within a club is dangerous and maybe, that is what we are seeing the results of now.
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Post by curlywurly on Feb 3, 2021 12:00:43 GMT
Graham Coughlan's available. Just sayin'
Widdrington is part of the problem and not the solution.
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Post by kruger on Feb 3, 2021 12:03:27 GMT
If Tisdale goes we have a chance, if he stays then next year we will be playing teams like FGR, I won't be there especially as they can do something about it now. may not be fgr.they could replace us at the end of the season very true, how depressing
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Post by justin blue on Feb 3, 2021 12:22:41 GMT
I think the problem goes much deeper than the playing and coaching and sadly right to the very top. I think Weal is a great and kind person and I am sure he only wants what is best for Bristol Rovers. Unfortunately I don't think he has any Ideal how to run this football club. I thinks we are missing having directors and people in the club who grew up as supporters of the club. The club just doesn't feel like Bristol Rovers anymore. All of Weals money is not going to sort this mess out. It is going to take years to replace everything we had here that has been lost or dismantled since Weal took over.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 12:32:07 GMT
It will take a miracle to turn this around. I dont think it matters who is in charge imo. Its the players! Either they find the fight or they continue rolling over. They arent kids and shouldnt need somebody to motivate them like a army sgt. Grow up boys and grow a pair!
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